J.T. Realmuto

[KeithStone53151]

It is interesting that the posts saying he is a great player are offering not great prospects for him. I mean I would take him for these deals being proposed for sure.

I'm with you here. If the Brewers got Brinson for Lucroy there is no reason the Marlins can't do the same here, nobody in this Brewers system would be off limits.

 

I also think the Brewers value Pina but don't know what his value is in trade.

Except Lucroy had a 4yr stretch where 3 of those years were better than anything this dude's put up and he was a 2x AS.

 

Also, this guy didn't request a trade. He simply stated he wouldn't mind if he was traded given what's transpired the past couple weeks.

 

You also have to look at the contract. Lucroys was an unbelievable bargain contract. I want to say something like 9 million total over 2 years. JT Realmuto is estimated at 4.2 in arbitration this year. A reasonable estimate is probably 3/18 or 3/20. While still a good contract, not quite as good as lucroys. He also, as noted, wasn't nearly as good/established as lucroy.

[bill hAll Star]

You also have to look at the contract. Lucroys was an unbelievable bargain contract. I want to say something like 9 million total over 2 years. JT Realmuto is estimated at 4.2 in arbitration this year. A reasonable estimate is probably 3/18 or 3/20. While still a good contract, not quite as good as lucroys. He also, as noted, wasn't nearly as good/established as lucroy.

 

I'll take 3/$20 over 2/$10 if I've got a good player. Give me that extra year at a fair price. And each year is an option year if it goes really, really south. The way it works out for Realmuto is basically what Lucroy had left on his deal $2/10 with a 1-year $10 million option. That option is very likely to be exercised and the team is happy about it. If Realmuto suffers a career ending injury opening day of 2018, he can be non-tendered at no cost and basically be a 1 year/$4.2 million hit for 2018.

 

Lucroy was a 1.5 year deal for the Rangers, essentially.

 

Luc had one insanely good season (age 28) and was off to a pretty good start in his age 30 season. Realmuto is putting up consistently good seasons and will only be 27 next year. His numbers would take a bit of an uptick if he played in solely hitter's parks as Luc has for his career.

[Humans Need Water]

You also have to look at the contract. Lucroys was an unbelievable bargain contract. I want to say something like 9 million total over 2 years. JT Realmuto is estimated at 4.2 in arbitration this year. A reasonable estimate is probably 3/18 or 3/20. While still a good contract, not quite as good as lucroys. He also, as noted, wasn't nearly as good/established as lucroy.

 

I'll take 3/$20 over 2/$10 if I've got a good player. Give me that extra year at a fair price. And each year is an option year if it goes really, really south. The way it works out for Realmuto is basically what Lucroy had left on his deal $2/10 with a 1-year $10 million option. That option is very likely to be exercised and the team is happy about it. If Realmuto suffers a career ending injury opening day of 2018, he can be non-tendered at no cost and basically be a 1 year/$4.2 million hit for 2018.

 

Lucroy was a 1.5 year deal for the Rangers, essentially.

 

Luc had one insanely good season (age 28) and was off to a pretty good start in his age 30 season. Realmuto is putting up consistently good seasons and will only be 27 next year. His numbers would take a bit of an uptick if he played in solely hitter's parks as Luc has for his career.

Lucroy had OPS+ of 90 (first full season at 25), 132, 116, 131, 96, 123 (120 with Brewers prior to trade), garbage in TX then 115 with Rockies. JT has posted 92 (first full season at 24), 111, 109. His numbers on the surface would uptick, like Shaw leaving Fenway, but OPS+ adjusts for park factors. Lucroy was consistently good and made 2 AS games. I'm not saying I'm against targeting JT I'm saying he's not better than Lucroy (or what Lucroy was at that age I should say) nor should he command a similar return.

[bill hAll Star]

You also have to look at the contract. Lucroys was an unbelievable bargain contract. I want to say something like 9 million total over 2 years. JT Realmuto is estimated at 4.2 in arbitration this year. A reasonable estimate is probably 3/18 or 3/20. While still a good contract, not quite as good as lucroys. He also, as noted, wasn't nearly as good/established as lucroy.

 

I'll take 3/$20 over 2/$10 if I've got a good player. Give me that extra year at a fair price. And each year is an option year if it goes really, really south. The way it works out for Realmuto is basically what Lucroy had left on his deal $2/10 with a 1-year $10 million option. That option is very likely to be exercised and the team is happy about it. If Realmuto suffers a career ending injury opening day of 2018, he can be non-tendered at no cost and basically be a 1 year/$4.2 million hit for 2018.

 

Lucroy was a 1.5 year deal for the Rangers, essentially.

 

Luc had one insanely good season (age 28) and was off to a pretty good start in his age 30 season. Realmuto is putting up consistently good seasons and will only be 27 next year. His numbers would take a bit of an uptick if he played in solely hitter's parks as Luc has for his career.

Lucroy had OPS+ of 90 (first full season at 25), 132, 116, 131, 96, 123 (120 with Brewers prior to trade), garbage in TX then 115 with Rockies. JT has posted 92 (first full season at 24), 111, 109. His numbers on the surface would uptick, like Shaw leaving Fenway, but OPS+ adjusts for park factors. Lucroy was consistently good and made 2 AS games. I'm not saying I'm against targeting JT I'm saying he's not better than Lucroy (or what Lucroy was at that age I should say) nor should he command a similar return.

 

Oddly enough, I'm not arguing for targeting JT. I stated on the previous page that I have no interest in giving up value for shorter control players right now. But I do think that he'll put up a close body of work to Lucroy by the time he's 30 if he stays healthy. He also is supposedly a good defender as Lucroy was.

[StearnsFTW]

We have a good catcher. I like Realmuto, but it's not worth what it would cost .

[Devinep]

I wonder what the price would be of a Yelich/Realmuto trade. A lot to stay the least, starting with Brinson and likely Pina also. But that would leave the Brewers with a great lineup though

[superfly]

This makes too much sense to happen. And heck yes sign me up for both Yelich and Realmuto if you want to really go big. I'd sell the farm for Yelich/Realmuto/Barraclough and immediately extend all three. Buy starting pitching and off we go.

[TJseven7]

Yelich Santana Shaw Braun Thames/Aguilar Realmuto is flat out disgusting. 2b bats 9th. You add 2 starters and 1 rlp tomorrow if you make that trade. Puts the team in the playoffs for the next 3 years.

 

At least its nice to know we have the ammo needed to get yelich realmuto barraclaugh duffy merrifield herrera sign Arrieta.

 

No farm and capped but...

 

Yelich santana shaw braun thames/aguilar realmuto merrifield arcia P

Arrieta anderson duffy davies woodruff

Knebel hader barraclaugh herrerra jeffress barnes suter

 

Would be crazy fun while it lasted.

[adambr2]

After having it thrown out in the open this off-season about how many studs were in Marlin lineup (Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto), makes me wonder why they were not better. Lol.

[pacopete4]

After having it thrown out in the open this off-season about how many studs were in Marlin lineup (Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto), makes me wonder why they were not better. Lol.

 

Pitching. Give them the output even the Brewers got in that department and they’re probably a playoff team a year ago.

[TJseven7]

After having it thrown out in the open this off-season about how many studs were in Marlin lineup (Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto), makes me wonder why they were not better. Lol.

 

Pitching. Give them the output even the Brewers got in that department and they’re probably a playoff team a year ago.

 

And they tragically lost their cy young level ace which didn't help.

[pacopete4]

After having it thrown out in the open this off-season about how many studs were in Marlin lineup (Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto), makes me wonder why they were not better. Lol.

 

Pitching. Give them the output even the Brewers got in that department and they’re probably a playoff team a year ago.

 

And they tragically lost their cy young level ace which didn't help.

 

Agreed. I mentioned it in a previous post that if that didn't occur, they might be making moves to bolster that teams roster rather than tearing it down.

[jerichoholicninja]

Stearns was rather coy and giggly when asked about Realmuto on MLB Network today. Nothing specific, but said any player that's been made available that can help the club he would be interested in.

[TooLiveBrew]

Wow, I had no idea how severe Realmuto's home/road splits were the past two seasons. Either Marlins Park is killing him, or he just has sucked there (maybe both?). At first glance at his stat line I thought maybe he's not worth ponying up for, but get this bat in Miller Park please.

 

2016 Home OPS: .643

2016 Road: .893

 

2017 Home: .627

2017 Road: .912

 

Those would be bordering on MVP type numbers, from the catcher position.

 

EDIT: Just saw reillymcshane's post about his H/R splits on page 1 of this thread... oh well

[pacopete4]

It's okay to bring up the splits again as the point is a good one. If we got this guy and extended him. We could have our catching position solved and have elite talent there for a few years. What a get this could be if Stearns has something up his sleeve.

[FVBrewerFan]

It does make a lot of sense. Marlins are willing, if not eager, to trade literally everyone. Brewers have plenty of assets to trade. Stearns is not afraid of making any deal, big or small, if he believes it will improve the team long term. Improving it in 2018 would just be a bonus.

 

Thing is, extending Realmuto's contract is a big "if." I really don't like that he's only controlled for 3 years, so they would need to work out an extension for a couple years as part of the trade. I could be wrong, but isn't that pretty rare? If any of this is true though, that would explain why it's taking so long.

 

I would not do 6 years of Brinson for 3 years of Realmuto. But add Yelich and have at lest 5 years of Realmuto, and I absolutely would make Brinson the centerpiece of a deal. And yes, as long as we're going that far ask for a pitcher as part of the deal. They wouldn't even clean-out the farm in a deal like that.

 

That's a whole lot of ifs, but fun to speculate.

[mattyo]

It does make a lot of sense. Marlins are willing, if not eager, to trade literally everyone. Brewers have plenty of assets to trade. Stearns is not afraid of making any deal, big or small, if he believes it will improve the team long term. Improving it in 2018 would just be a bonus.

 

Thing is, extending Realmuto's contract is a big "if." I really don't like that he's only controlled for 3 years, so they would need to work out an extension for a couple years as part of the trade. I could be wrong, but isn't that pretty rare? If any of this is true though, that would explain why it's taking so long.

 

I would not do 6 years of Brinson for 3 years of Realmuto. But add Yelich and have at lest 5 years of Realmuto, and I absolutely would make Brinson the centerpiece of a deal. And yes, as long as we're going that far ask for a pitcher as part of the deal. They wouldn't even clean-out the farm in a deal like that.

 

That's a whole lot of ifs, but fun to speculate.

 

I understand trading for Realmuto - having a borderline elite catcher for at least 3 more years is very enticing. I also understand wanting Yelich, he is a fantastic young player. But I can't understand why people want to trade our best prospect, from our most crowded and talented position, for another outfielder. It is clear that we are overstocked in the OF, and we are eventually going to have to trade some of those players away - why would we want to bring back another OF when we could use that depth to address a real position of need like SP or reliever.

[MadThinker88]

Consider how DS "broke down" the Brewers for its rebuild. Guys were traded away 1 at a time whenever possible (exception was the scramble AFTER Lucroy vetoed the deal to Cleveland) for multiple pieces in return. I would guess most GMs would do it that way. Build up a market (generally 1 guy at a time) & get best possible, multi player returns on each guy.

 

Just spit-balling here but I could see the Marlins willing to deal JT to the Brewers for a package centering on Brinson while at the same time flipping Yelich to Cleveland for a package centered around Francisco Mejia (or another team with a top flight catching prospect ready for the majors).

[superfly]

It does make a lot of sense. Marlins are willing, if not eager, to trade literally everyone. Brewers have plenty of assets to trade. Stearns is not afraid of making any deal, big or small, if he believes it will improve the team long term. Improving it in 2018 would just be a bonus.

 

Thing is, extending Realmuto's contract is a big "if." I really don't like that he's only controlled for 3 years, so they would need to work out an extension for a couple years as part of the trade. I could be wrong, but isn't that pretty rare? If any of this is true though, that would explain why it's taking so long.

 

I would not do 6 years of Brinson for 3 years of Realmuto. But add Yelich and have at lest 5 years of Realmuto, and I absolutely would make Brinson the centerpiece of a deal. And yes, as long as we're going that far ask for a pitcher as part of the deal. They wouldn't even clean-out the farm in a deal like that.

 

That's a whole lot of ifs, but fun to speculate.

 

I understand trading for Realmuto - having a borderline elite catcher for at least 3 more years is very enticing. I also understand wanting Yelich, he is a fantastic young player. But I can't understand why people want to trade our best prospect, from our most crowded and talented position, for another outfielder. It is clear that we are overstocked in the OF, and we are eventually going to have to trade some of those players away - why would we want to bring back another OF when we could use that depth to address a real position of need like SP or reliever.

 

I'll take the proven Yelich who is ascending over the unknown commodity in Brinson. I'd bet best case for Brinson they end up roughly an equal player except we aren't taking the risk on the downside.

 

It's really a tossup scenario to me, but you have to give to get. Maybe they'd take Broxton in on the deal to protect as a 4th OF on their young OF's as well.

 

Also dare I say right about the time Yelich needs the $ is about when we're taking Braun off the books.......

[pacopete4]

It does make a lot of sense. Marlins are willing, if not eager, to trade literally everyone. Brewers have plenty of assets to trade. Stearns is not afraid of making any deal, big or small, if he believes it will improve the team long term. Improving it in 2018 would just be a bonus.

 

Thing is, extending Realmuto's contract is a big "if." I really don't like that he's only controlled for 3 years, so they would need to work out an extension for a couple years as part of the trade. I could be wrong, but isn't that pretty rare? If any of this is true though, that would explain why it's taking so long.

 

I would not do 6 years of Brinson for 3 years of Realmuto. But add Yelich and have at lest 5 years of Realmuto, and I absolutely would make Brinson the centerpiece of a deal. And yes, as long as we're going that far ask for a pitcher as part of the deal. They wouldn't even clean-out the farm in a deal like that.

 

That's a whole lot of ifs, but fun to speculate.

 

I understand trading for Realmuto - having a borderline elite catcher for at least 3 more years is very enticing. I also understand wanting Yelich, he is a fantastic young player. But I can't understand why people want to trade our best prospect, from our most crowded and talented position, for another outfielder. It is clear that we are overstocked in the OF, and we are eventually going to have to trade some of those players away - why would we want to bring back another OF when we could use that depth to address a real position of need like SP or reliever.

 

For me, I don’t believe in Brinson. Injury prone and I’d rather trade high on him now. I also don’t see a glut of OF’s. There might end up being one but I don’t see it. Getting Yelich would allow us to really shop Santana if the deal was right. I’m a big believer that Yelich and Realmuto would be studs at Miller Park.

[bill hAll Star]

I'm not a fan of "going all in" yet and therefore am noted as not being a huge fan of acquiring Yelich or Realmuto or both, but...

 

I'd take on Prado and/or Chen to make this happen for less prospects. If we're gonna do this, then let's still try to hold on to more of the future.

 

Maybe the ship has sailed on that as a sweetener because the Marlins have already shrunk payroll enough that they can probably let those guys' contracts rot and go away as they rebuild, but if they're still willing to do it, I'd use some our flexibility to take on those contracts and hold as many prospects as we can to still have a window 3-4 years from now if this swing for the fences is a miss.

 

There's still a bit of a salary crunch for 2019 and 2020, but it could probably be done.

[FVBrewerFan]

It does make a lot of sense. Marlins are willing, if not eager, to trade literally everyone. Brewers have plenty of assets to trade. Stearns is not afraid of making any deal, big or small, if he believes it will improve the team long term. Improving it in 2018 would just be a bonus.

 

Thing is, extending Realmuto's contract is a big "if." I really don't like that he's only controlled for 3 years, so they would need to work out an extension for a couple years as part of the trade. I could be wrong, but isn't that pretty rare? If any of this is true though, that would explain why it's taking so long.

 

I would not do 6 years of Brinson for 3 years of Realmuto. But add Yelich and have at lest 5 years of Realmuto, and I absolutely would make Brinson the centerpiece of a deal. And yes, as long as we're going that far ask for a pitcher as part of the deal. They wouldn't even clean-out the farm in a deal like that.

 

That's a whole lot of ifs, but fun to speculate.

 

I understand trading for Realmuto - having a borderline elite catcher for at least 3 more years is very enticing. I also understand wanting Yelich, he is a fantastic young player. But I can't understand why people want to trade our best prospect, from our most crowded and talented position, for another outfielder. It is clear that we are overstocked in the OF, and we are eventually going to have to trade some of those players away - why would we want to bring back another OF when we could use that depth to address a real position of need like SP or reliever.

 

For me, I don’t believe in Brinson. Injury prone and I’d rather trade high on him now. I also don’t see a glut of OF’s. There might end up being one but I don’t see it. Getting Yelich would allow us to really shop Santana if the deal was right. I’m a big believer that Yelich and Realmuto would be studs at Miller Park.

 

Right. While I like Brinson maybe more than you do, there is risk. Brinson's ceiling may be a little, but his floor is lower- since Yelich has somewhat proven himself at the MLB level. In effect, I will give up that one year of control for that floor.

 

Not too worried about the OF for OF part of it, there's 8,000 other deals than can be done to get a pitcher. Also, in my scenario Realmuto would be part of the deal. Long term catcher is another need that's not talked out much, so to have the opportunity to get a very good young one is a big positive.

[adambr2]

I would much rather part with Nottinghamm or Susac (not that he's worth much of anything on his own) than Pina. I'd love to keep Pina. He'd make one heck of a backup.

[Warning Track Power]

 

Right. While I like Brinson maybe more than you do, there is risk. Brinson's ceiling may be a little, but his floor is lower- since Yelich has somewhat proven himself at the MLB level. In effect, I will give up that one year of control for that floor.

 

Not too worried about the OF for OF part of it, there's 8,000 other deals than can be done to get a pitcher. Also, in my scenario Realmuto would be part of the deal. Long term catcher is another need that's not talked out much, so to have the opportunity to get a very good young one is a big positive.

Yelich is 2.5 years older than Brinson and under control for one less season than Brinson, assuming Brinson's clock begins on Opening Day. I would much rather have Yelich than Brinson for the next 5 seasons. While acquiring Yelich for Brinson eliminates the possibility of dealing Brinson for SP help and would likely mean shopping Santana for SP, in a a vacuum, you have to ask yourself would I prefer an CF-RF combination of Brinson/Phillips-Santana or Yelich-Santana?

[bill hAll Star]

I don't have a strong opinion on Brinson's stock, but are we sure the Marlins would want Brinson or Santana? Seems a bit sad, but if Yelich/Realmuto get dealt, the Marlins can kiss any competitive baseball goodbye until about 2022 at the earliest (probably can do that anyways). At that point, Santana would be gone or Brinson would have two years left.

 

They could flip either of them later, but I think they'd be asking for mostly potential stud players that still need 2 years of seasoning.