Eating cap?

[TJseven7]

So we all know basketball does it.

Nfl jumped onboard with the oswiler trade this year.

 

Stearns stated we have buying power. We haven't bought anything. Would LA pay us in prospects for eating Kemp? Is that a viable idea?

[bill hAll Star]

So we all know basketball does it.

Nfl jumped onboard with the oswiler trade this year.

 

Stearns stated we have buying power. We haven't bought anything. Would LA pay us in prospects for eating Kemp? Is that a viable idea?

 

Unless LA is trying to sign another big free agent, I don't think so. They're under the threshold now. They may unload Grandal or Kemp in another deal, but I don't think they'd sweeten the pot too much.

 

Other than that, yeah, I've been looking into trades where we absorb contracts. I was wondering if we could get something in the Kazmir/McCarthy realm, but alas, not in our plans.

[bill hAll Star]

To add, I think we lost most of our opportunities already. There are some rebuilding teams that probably wouldn't attach much.

 

Sure, the Tigers would like to get out from under Zimmermann and the Marlins would like to dump Chen, but given that both teams are in 3-year rebuilds and they've emptied out a lot of other large contracts, they'll probably sit on those unless they get an offer that does not require them to add much. In the meantime, they'll just pray those guys can recover their value.

 

The competitive teams that wanted to get under the tax threshold or free up some cash to make a move (Yankees, Dodgers) are mostly done now. Teams like the Marlins I think are close to where they want to be in their stated goal of dumping payroll.

 

I don't really believe it to be a possibility, but the Giants and Red Sox are the teams remaining that may want to dump some money.

 

The Red Sox don't seem very likely because your only options to take on $ are Pedroia, Hanley, and Price. Price's contract is too long for a franchise like the Brewers to take on. Pedroia and Hanley are still productive enough and franchise players that I don't think I can see Boston ownership jettisoning them to the equivalent of Siberia. They have Sandoval and Rusney Castillo pay obligations for several years still that I'm not sure can be transferred.

 

I think the Giants just will kinda play this thing out and already dumped Matt Moore, but if they wanted to stay under the threshold and had their sights on Darvish, JD, or Moose, they have a few guys we could take. I'd consider any of Melancon, Pence, Span (those 3 would have to come attached with something of value) or just absorbing Samardzija (which seems counter intuitive because he is a part of their productive team).

[nate82]

The Dodgers are looking to trade Kemp first and are willing to add prospects if a team will take on a portion of his salary. The Dodgers probably want to clear some space for next year.

 

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/reactions-to-and-effects-of-dodgers-braves-trade.html

[bill hAll Star]

I stand corrected. I'd eat all of it this year and take half of next year's if that gets it done if we get a good prospect or two in return. Still seems like something I'm not sure we'd line up with, though.

 

Kemp and Braun on the same roster (maybe?) would be...something.

[nate82]

I stand corrected. I'd eat all of it this year and take half of next year's if that gets it done if we get a good prospect or two in return. Still seems like something I'm not sure we'd line up with, though.

 

Kemp and Braun on the same roster (maybe?) would be...something.

 

I would just release Kemp and take the prospects.

[Mudville9]

The Dodgers are looking to trade Kemp first and are willing to add prospects if a team will take on a portion of his salary. The Dodgers probably want to clear some space for next year.

 

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/reactions-to-and-effects-of-dodgers-braves-trade.html

 

Is there anyway we could include Braun and $$$ to get more prospects? This might be the last chance Stearns has if he wants to get Braun out. Obviously it would depend on prospects and money involved. If we could get Buehler and some lower minor/high upside guys that won't be on the 40 man for a few years that would be amazing. Pay all of Kemp's salary and Braun's this year. Next year Kemp would be on the books, but not Braun and the year after that DS would have money to burn for extensions or FA signings for a run at the WS.

[bill hAll Star]

The Dodgers are looking to trade Kemp first and are willing to add prospects if a team will take on a portion of his salary. The Dodgers probably want to clear some space for next year.

 

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/reactions-to-and-effects-of-dodgers-braves-trade.html

 

Is there anyway we could include Braun and $$$ to get more prospects? This might be the last chance Stearns has if he wants to get Braun out. Obviously it would depend on prospects and money involved. If we could get Buehler and some lower minor/high upside guys that won't be on the 40 man for a few years that would be amazing. Pay all of Kemp's salary and Braun's this year. Next year Kemp would be on the books, but not Braun and the year after that DS would have money to burn for extensions or FA signings for a run at the WS.

 

I think it would be tough because it seems that the motivation for the Dodgers doing this is to clear up room for (maybe) this year, but more importantly next year. Adding Braun mostly offsets Kemp's salary even if you're suggesting that we pay some of it. I think the Dodgers are still thinking to 2019 when they want to maybe be in play for one of the big free agents and Braun would also be there in 2020.

 

I think Braun would likely have negative value in this trade because of 2019 obligations. More likely to just take Kemp and the prospects and cut Kemp.

 

Braun may be a better player at this point but it's close. So if I'm the Dodgers and I want an iffy RH-hitting veteran outfielder, I'd just keep Kemp for the same price but one less year.

 

I realize some will come on and say that Braun is still "OK" at defense and Kemp is very bad, but that could change in a hurry as Braun could easily begin to fall off on defense.

[nate82]

The Dodgers are looking to trade Kemp first and are willing to add prospects if a team will take on a portion of his salary. The Dodgers probably want to clear some space for next year.

 

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/reactions-to-and-effects-of-dodgers-braves-trade.html

 

Is there anyway we could include Braun and $$$ to get more prospects? This might be the last chance Stearns has if he wants to get Braun out. Obviously it would depend on prospects and money involved. If we could get Buehler and some lower minor/high upside guys that won't be on the 40 man for a few years that would be amazing. Pay all of Kemp's salary and Braun's this year. Next year Kemp would be on the books, but not Braun and the year after that DS would have money to burn for extensions or FA signings for a run at the WS.

 

That would be a lot of money as the Dodgers are only saving about $2m this year and next. They would also be adding more money in the future which they don't want to do. I am assuming the Dodgers are going to go hard after Keuchel or Harper in the next off season so they are going to want to be as far as they can be under the penalty.

 

You are looking at paying about half of Braun's remaining salary.

[JosephC]

I tried to work through the Braun/Kemp swap and in the end I don't think it works unless the Brewers kick in an unrealistic amount of money.

 

Trading for Kemp and prospects would result in a pretty messy situation.

 

The problem is that the more money the Dodgers kick in, the less the prospect return will be. And now we are talking about the Brewers who are limited by their market size. Say the Brewers eat 18 million on a Kemp contract and then get off to a bad start. Fans then ask how could a team that finished above .500 the previous season make this type of investment, and then end up signing players like Gallardo and passing on Neshek, Hunter, Swarzak?

 

The other thing is, if I have the viewpoint that this is a non-competitive team and I am still in rebuild mode (which is why I'd make the trade in the first place), then I want to keep Kemp and play him every day. Why? He may be a replacement level player but last year he slashed .276/.318/.463/.781. Over the last three years he has averaged 26 home runs and 91 RBIs per season. It's not crazy to think that he could come into Miller Park and slash something like .270/.320/.480/.800 and maybe hit something like 16 home runs during the first half and if he does that mean he would probably have pretty decent value at the trade deadline considering his contract would actually be pretty reasonable with all the money the Dodgers are contributing. But for that to happen he would need to play everyday. According to Fangraphs he hasn't played in center since 2014. So how do you play him with Braun and Santana in the mix? Does the team just throw away what could be a decent asset like they did with Scooter Gennett. I almost think a Santana trade would have to happen before the Brewers could do something like this.

 

I think if something like this were to happen it would breakdown something like:

 

Dodgers get:

unknown, longest of long shot prospect

 

Brewers get:

OF-Matt Kemp (Dodgers already are paying 3.5 million of his contract in each of the next two year, now they add 9 million more in each of the next two years...so of the 21.5 million annual salary, the Dodgers pay 12.5 million and the Brewers pay 9 million in both 2018 and 2019)

OF-DJ Peters

RHP-Dustin May

 

So the question is, if Kemp turns out to be a worthless asset, is DJ Peters and Dustin May worth 18 million dollars?

 

Wild card could be Ryu. If the Dodgers do this because it allows them to turn around and sign either Darvish or Arrieta, then Ryu is an unnecessary asset and including him would shave another 6 million off their luxury tax calculations. And Ryu does not have very much surplus value, so he'd be a logical inclusion that really would not change the overall equation.

[nate82]

Dodgers get:

unknown, longest of long shot prospect

 

Brewers get:

OF-Matt Kemp (Dodgers already are paying 3.5 million of his contract in each of the next two year, now they add 9 million more in each of the next two years...so of the 21.5 million annual salary, the Dodgers pay 12.5 million and the Brewers pay 9 million in both 2018 and 2019)

OF-DJ Peters

RHP-Dustin May

 

So the question is, if Kemp turns out to be a worthless asset, is DJ Peters and Dustin May worth 18 million dollars?

 

Wild card could be Ryu. If the Dodgers do this because it allows them to turn around and sign either Darvish or Arrieta, then Ryu is an unnecessary asset and including him would shave another 6 million off their luxury tax calculations. And Ryu does not have very much surplus value, so he'd be a logical inclusion that really would not change the overall equation.

 

I would rather take on more of Kemp's contract and then just release him after the trade and get some better prospects. Kemp has $43m left on his contract if the Brewers take about half of that or pay for 1-season of Kemp from the Dodgers I think the Brewers could get someone like Gavin Lux or Yadier Alvarez from the Dodgers and maybe one more lower level maybe prospect like Cristian Santana.

 

Dustin May wouldn't be bad though I don't like DJ Peters all that much though he does have some legitimate power in his bat. I am just not sure Peters will be able to get on base enough or hit for a high enough average in the majors. Peters strikes out a ton almost 200 K's last year in A+ though he did walk 64 times kind of reminds me of a Mark Reynolds type. I would rather get someone like Edwin Rios who is similar to Peters but is doing it in AA and AAA. Rios is actually someone the Brewers could go out and get as he has no spot to play for the Dodgers with Bellinger at 1B. Rios is strictly a 1B and not a 3B he is absolutely horrible at 3B think Yuni at SS bad at 3B and he isn't athletic enough to even play any of the OF positions. His arm could play at RF/LF though but unfortunately a scare crow placed in the OF would have more range than Rios.

[SRB]

I don't think it's realistic for a small-market franchise like the Brewers to essentially pay $40 million for some B-grade prospects. If there aren't any free agents worth signing in 2017-2018, then why can't the organization just add that unspent money to its war chest to use on various other things (scouting, international bonuses, 2018-2019 payroll, etc.)?

[TJseven7]

I stand corrected. I'd eat all of it this year and take half of next year's if that gets it done if we get a good prospect or two in return. Still seems like something I'm not sure we'd line up with, though.

 

Kemp and Braun on the same roster (maybe?) would be...something.

 

I would just release Kemp and take the prospects.

 

This is my take. Eating 40 mil. Wonder what it gets you prospect wise. If that gets 3 top 10... 30mil value... cool if not. Keep him.

 

Ruiz White Lux or pass.

[TJseven7]

I don't think it's realistic for a small-market franchise like the Brewers to essentially pay $40 million for some B-grade prospects. If there aren't any free agents worth signing in 2017-2018, then why can't the organization just add that unspent money to its war chest to use on various other things (scouting, international bonuses, 2018-2019 payroll, etc.)?

 

Scouting Im sure we do that plenty as is. Ont bonus is capped now right? If we operate at a profit taxes eat a chunk of that so you cant war chest as easy as you'd like. Do you really think we are going to pair 60 mil years with tax threshold years? I don't.

 

Every trade some guys nice enough to do the prospect value vs player value to find what the trade should take. Id imagine we should get 2 top 10 prospects for eating 40 mil. I think thats roughly 25 mil for 40. In our shoes I dont see how thats a bad move. Just say ok window opens in 2020... 2 more pieces of ammo or future.

 

If they'd send us a few scraps... enjoy your mlb taxes if you sign anyone. Thing is we wont get darvish or harper so make something on the transaction any way you can.