Packers Offseason Moves- Latest: Gutekunst Hired as GM, signed to 5-year deal (Joe Philbin-OC, Mike Pettine-DC)

[adambr2]

Yeah, I think I'd do it too. It's a possible franchise changing opportunity that you can't pass on.

 

Obviously it sucks for MM, but a pretty good portion of the fan base wanted him tossed out with TT and Capers after this season for a total overhaul, so it's not like it would be totally unjustified.

 

He'd catch on somewhere else. He's going to find himself closer to the hot seat anyway this year under a new GM. I don't know if he can afford another 7-9 season.

[homer]

I think Belichick would love it. No real owner to report to.

[pacopete4]

I think Belichick would love it. No real owner to report to.

 

Might as well fire Murphy and hand Belichek that job as well. Half kidding.

[FVBrewerFan]

Bombshell report out of New England that this may be Belichick's last year in New England because of friction between BB/Brady/Kraft. Sounds like Belichick was basically forced into trading Jimmy G by Kraft and Brady.

 

Just for fun, hypothetically if BB were to find himself available after the season and interested in the opportunity here, would you fire McCarthy, hand Belichick the reins to both GM and HC and basically give him total control?

 

It'd be a pretty rotten thing to do to McCarthy who won a Super Bowl for your franchise but I could see why it would be appealing.

 

I don't understand the fascination with winning a SB many years ago. Does that give him a job for life? Not sure why it's rotten to fire MM and hire BB, it's a business. Just as MM can fire assistant coaches who won a SB, and TT fired players who won a SB.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Putting on my tinfoil hat, but could all these weird coaching/front office personnel moves coming out of Green Bay be in anticipation of taking a run at Belichek? There really hasn't been anyone brought in from outside the organization yet to fill roles vacated by firings and other coaches/staff going elsewhere...I think the 1 year McCarthy extension is pretty meaningless.

 

Murphy was quoted as saying they'd be looking for a GM outside the organization in addition to interviewing the obvious internal candidates - this hasn't transpired thus far like the obvious succession plan many envisioned with Thompson handing the reins over to Wolf or Ball. Maybe Murphy is laying in the weeds to see what fallout may happen in New England - Belicheck in charge with TT serving as chief scouting director/personnel assistant would be pretty awesome. I doubt those two could coexist, however.

[pacopete4]

Bombshell report out of New England that this may be Belichick's last year in New England because of friction between BB/Brady/Kraft. Sounds like Belichick was basically forced into trading Jimmy G by Kraft and Brady.

 

Just for fun, hypothetically if BB were to find himself available after the season and interested in the opportunity here, would you fire McCarthy, hand Belichick the reins to both GM and HC and basically give him total control?

 

It'd be a pretty rotten thing to do to McCarthy who won a Super Bowl for your franchise but I could see why it would be appealing.

 

I don't understand the fascination with winning a SB many years ago. Does that give him a job for life? Not sure why it's rotten to fire MM and hire BB, it's a business. Just as MM can fire assistant coaches who won a SB, and TT fired players who won a SB.

 

I never stated that he can never be fired. There is no fascination. Just a respectful thought about a guy that has accomplished a lot in Green Bay. Everyone gets that it is a business. You're definitely making this more than it was as a comment.

[adambr2]

Putting on my tinfoil hat, but could all these weird coaching/front office personnel moves coming out of Green Bay be in anticipation of taking a run at Belichek? There really hasn't been anyone brought in from outside the organization yet to fill roles vacated by firings and other coaches/staff going elsewhere...I think the 1 year McCarthy extension is pretty meaningless.

 

Murphy was quoted as saying they'd be looking for a GM outside the organization in addition to interviewing the obvious internal candidates - this hasn't transpired thus far like the obvious succession plan many envisioned with Thompson handing the reins over to Wolf or Ball. Maybe Murphy is laying in the weeds to see what fallout may happen in New England - Belicheck in charge with TT serving as chief scouting director/personnel assistant would be pretty awesome. I doubt those two could coexist, however.

 

Why couldn't Belichick and Thompson co-exist? TT doesn't strike me as an extroverted egomaniac despite the last 12 years. I think if BB tells him to sit back quietly behind the scenes and do his scouting role he would be perfectly fine with that.

[superfly]

Bombshell report out of New England that this may be Belichick's last year in New England because of friction between BB/Brady/Kraft. Sounds like Belichick was basically forced into trading Jimmy G by Kraft and Brady.

 

Just for fun, hypothetically if BB were to find himself available after the season and interested in the opportunity here, would you fire McCarthy, hand Belichick the reins to both GM and HC and basically give him total control?

 

I'm calling this #FakeNews. Timed all too conveniently with the start of the playoffs....let Angry Tom and Angry Bill ensue as they plow their way to another Super Bowl like they always do when they are angry.

[CheezWizHed]

Bombshell report out of New England that this may be Belichick's last year in New England because of friction between BB/Brady/Kraft. Sounds like Belichick was basically forced into trading Jimmy G by Kraft and Brady.

 

Just for fun, hypothetically if BB were to find himself available after the season and interested in the opportunity here, would you fire McCarthy, hand Belichick the reins to both GM and HC and basically give him total control?

 

Actually... no. Perhaps one or the other, but not both. Been there... done that... two jobs are too big for one person not matter who it is.

 

Also, I understand the frustration with TT and MM over "only" winning one SB and it being seven years ago, but I think some of us have forgotten what other teams go through with good and/or bad players. MM makes blunders, but he is still in the top 10 coaches in the league. Sometimes a change needs to be made for the sake of team unity and cohesion (same as I said with DC as the DC). But its very easy to dump throw out everything and end up with something much worse.

 

When I hear Viking fans say that Packer fans have gotten soft and spoiled by success, I'm starting to see where they get that impression.

[pacopete4]

Isn't Bill the GM of the Pats right now? I'd say that's working out pretty well for them.

[PeaveyFury]

I don't understand the fascination with winning a SB many years ago.

 

Isn't that to some degree how Sean Payton and Mike Tomlin have kept their jobs? Heck, their Super Bowl wins were longer ago than McCarthy's.

[pacopete4]

I don't understand the fascination with winning a SB many years ago.

 

Isn't that to some degree how Sean Payton and Mike Tomlin have kept their jobs? Heck, their Super Bowl wins were longer ago than McCarthy's.

 

To be fair, parts of their fanbases want those guys gone every year as well. Fans are just nuts. They don't realize how hard it is to win and a situation like the Pats have made that even harder for fans to understand because they have had so much success over a long period of time. McCarthy is a very good coach, yet you'll have some the stay a high school coach could win with Rodgers playing quarterback. Just hilarious.

[tmwiese55]

It's not so much that they won the SB that long ago. They've also consistently been the 2nd best team in the league the whole time since. And for what MM is most responsible for (the offense), it has never been the problem.

[homer]

Bob McGinn is saying that Ball will be next GM and Gutekunst will be VP (assuming Gutekunst will run personnel dept).

[LouisEly]

I'm wondering, since they are more of a corporation than a privately owned team with an owner, if they go to more of a corporate structure with a "C-Suite". Ball as CFO, Eliot as CPO (Chief Personnel Officer, head of scouting), Gutekunst as COO, etc., instead of the traditional GM. Would allow them to play to their strengths instead of trying to be the jack-of-all-trades GM.

[LouisEly]

I don't understand the fascination with winning a SB many years ago.

For chrissakes, they were in the NFC Championship Game last year!

[Fear The Chorizo]

Bob McGinn is saying that Ball will be next GM and Gutekunst will be VP (assuming Gutekunst will run personnel dept).

 

So basically nothing in the front office changes aside from TT not having to meet with the media 1x a year (now he throws his clone Ball out to the wolves).

 

Also, in this scenario Wolf is likely the next one out the door the next time a GM gig opens up.

[pacopete4]

Bob McGinn is saying that Ball will be next GM and Gutekunst will be VP (assuming Gutekunst will run personnel dept).

 

Take this for what its worth but: REPORT: Aaron Rodgers Against Packers Promoting This Team Exec to GM

 

I truly believe Rodgers will finish his career elsewhere.

[jerichoholicninja]

Isn't Bill the GM of the Pats right now? I'd say that's working out pretty well for them.

 

Yes, he is and has been for awhile. Of course the whole story is just ESPN trying to stay relevant by taking something incredibly with a tiny grain of truth to it and making up the rest of it for ratings/clicks. Your basic "news" media 101.

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't understand the fascination with winning a SB many years ago.

 

Isn't that to some degree how Sean Payton and Mike Tomlin have kept their jobs? Heck, their Super Bowl wins were longer ago than McCarthy's.

 

Not necessarily. Marvin Lewis has held his job for many years as well, so has Jason Garrett. Every situation is different. But neither Tomlin or Payton have lost several playoff games at home.

 

It's hysterical, some fans even think it would be an insult to fire MM to bring in Belichik. Hey, MM is a good football coach. If you don't believe me, just ask him. But he has a ring, he has a street named after him, time to turn the page. We saw this year how good of a coach he is without Aaron Rodgers.

[tmwiese55]

Rodgers' contract expiring in two years could easily line up with Brady retiring. Imagine what Rodgers could do in the Pats system.

[MillerParkSouth]

I can’t imagine that Murphy would do something to alienate McCarthy and especially Rodgers. That would be beyond foolish.

[pacopete4]

I won’t blame Rodgers for leaving in two years if they continue to sit on the sidelines in retaining good players and free agency.

[CheezWizHed]

Well, that wouldn't happen for 3 years since the franchise tag could be used. But I hope the Brewers sign someone good soon. The despair here is getting overwhelming.

[PeaveyFury]

I don't understand the fascination with winning a SB many years ago.

 

Isn't that to some degree how Sean Payton and Mike Tomlin have kept their jobs? Heck, their Super Bowl wins were longer ago than McCarthy's.

 

But neither Tomlin or Payton have lost several playoff games at home.

 

Citing home playoff losses, but not the fact that Payton missed the playoffs four times since his Super Bowl win and finished below .500 4 times, with both happening three consecutive seasons before this one? And Tomlin has missed the playoffs three times since his win. McCarthy finished below .500 and missed the playoffs for the first time THIS YEAR in the seven seasons since his Super Bowl win.

 

It's hysterical, some fans even think it would be an insult to fire MM to bring in Belichik. Hey, MM is a good football coach. If you don't believe me, just ask him. But he has a ring, he has a street named after him, time to turn the page. We saw this year how good of a coach he is without Aaron Rodgers.

 

Wow, really? I find it hard to believe anyone in the league wouldn't want Bill if he were to actually come available. Is this happening on twitter?