Packers Offseason Moves- Latest: Gutekunst Hired as GM, signed to 5-year deal (Joe Philbin-OC, Mike Pettine-DC)

[PeaveyFury]

The JS with a nice list of eight viable candidates:

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/02/8-potential-candidates-packers-general-manager-job/996437001/

[superfly]

Hope it's not Russ Ball or we can kiss free agency goodbye for another 10 years.

[docduany]

I can't express how much I hope it's not Russ Ball. From everything I've read Ball would be Ted 2.0 minus the positives of Ted. Ted is still a good evaluator of talent. He just ignores free agency, is somewhat unnessarily cheap, won't make in season moves, relies too much on young players, and won't churn over the bottom three or so roster spots during the season. So my fear is that's how Ball will roll, minus the talent evaluating skill. Ohhhh, but check out that sexy cap space!!! Ball just doesn't inspire change. I'd love Schinder or the young Wolf. Reggie McKenzie or even Brain G would be paletable. But everyone is pointing to the vanilla pudding -- boo. If that's the move, Murphy loses the balls he's recently earned and can go to the dog house.

[Fear The Chorizo]

From what I understand, McCarthy's in-season extension was more or less to help with bringing in a new defensive coordinator - tough to attract the best names with a coach having only 1 year left on his deal and a GM situation in flux. That tells me they knew Capers was toast much earlier than at season's end, and they were just playing out the string - wouldn't be surprised if the "extension" was done after they lost at Carolina along with the GM succession plan. Fangio would be a fantastic hire for that job, if he's willing to make another lateral move and not become a head coach.

 

My $'s on Wolf getting the gig, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are holding the door open to Schneider to see if he'd be interested. If Wolf isn't made GM this offseason, he'll go elsewhere. And I agree that Ball would be my last choice, since it would be purely a Ted disciple without proving he's built something elsewhere without him.

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't think age/experience has a whole lot to do with the new DC, at least it shouldn't. There have been plenty of old coordinators on both sides of the ball that got the job done, there's plenty of very young ones who have done the same.

 

I don't care if the new DC is 70 or 25. It's all about developing system that works, communicating to the front office what type of players you need, coaching them up, and getting them to buy into what you're doing.

 

Who is the right person that can do all that? Let's be honest, we don't know. We can see what various coaches have done recently, etc., but you have to look at what they had to work with, how involved HC is in the defense, injuries, lots of other factors.

[Warning Track Power]

Now Bennett and Van Pelt out too...

 

Major house cleaning with TT reassignment and firing of OC, DC, DL, Assistant LB and WR & RB Coach.

[pacopete4]

Can Pelt should be fired just by what we seen from Hundley.

[PeaveyFury]

I'd expect Philbin to be brought back, and honestly, the offense ran best under him as OC anyway. Wouldn't be surprised to see McAdoo back as a coach either.

 

Some reports suggest that Bennett will be on the staff somewhere, but not as OC.

[lcbj68c]

Somebody please correct me off a ledge here on Fangio, but I hear he was once an assistant under Capers or from the same tree and runs a 3-4. I'm concerned more about the scheme of the DC being too similar to Capers. I'm tired of watching my defense in a two deep safety zone and watching everybody run underneath routes and convert time after time after time after time again on 3rd down. To me, Capers and the 3-4 plays his cornerbacks 8 yards off the receiver on 3rd and 3 and watches them backpeddle at the snap to give up easy completions against zone just about every damn play. I'm tired of zone. I want my db's playing man with safety help and the DL/LB to get home. Middle-School offenses can beat zone. Yes, a lack of a pass rush does hurt, but not as much as the poor scheme and technique in the secondary. When your routes are 2-3 second routes, your pass rush doesn't matter. If Fangio just means more zone, then I don't want him. Somebody please tell me where I'm wrong, I'm impressionable on this one.

[jerichoholicninja]

So fire every assistant coach but give the head coach an extension? Ok.

[PeaveyFury]

Somebody please correct me off a ledge here on Fangio, but I hear he was once an assistant under Capers or from the same tree and runs a 3-4.

 

Though this is correct, the difference is that Fangio has had immense success at both San Fran and Chicago. Their defensive rankings improved SUBSTANTIALLY in both places his first year on the job.

[MrTPlush]

So fire every assistant coach but give the head coach an extension? Ok.

 

Could have something to do with Aaron Rodgers and McCarthy calls the plays. If they are happy with the way he calls play some i see why he would stay around. I know most on here hate his play calling so please save me those constant rants.

[superfly]

I don't want those retreads Philbin or McAdoo around here. They are just putting McCarthy in his comfort zone, rather than lighting a fire under their butts to perform. Surely there is better out there than "bringing back the old gang."

[pacopete4]

Somebody please correct me off a ledge here on Fangio, but I hear he was once an assistant under Capers or from the same tree and runs a 3-4.

 

Though this is correct, the difference is that Fangio has had immense success at both San Fran and Chicago. Their defensive rankings improved SUBSTANTIALLY in both places his first year on the job.

 

Didn’t Capers have some very good success early on in his first years on the job? I just think most of these guys are so interchangeable. Dom will probably go somewhere and have success again.

[BillScottCanRake]

I don't think scheme is an issue so much as execution of the scheme. For whatever reasons, guys repeatedly blew assignments which led to big plays that were way too easy. Some of that falls on the personnel guys (relying on young guys too often), some on the coaches.

 

Whomever becomes defensive coordinator (along with the rest of the staff) needs to ensure the plays are assignment-sound. If that means a more vanilla scheme, fine. If that means playing assignment sound guys over more talented guys, ok. But eliminating blown many of the blown assignments will make the defense way better.

[superfly]

Somebody please correct me off a ledge here on Fangio, but I hear he was once an assistant under Capers or from the same tree and runs a 3-4.

 

Though this is correct, the difference is that Fangio has had immense success at both San Fran and Chicago. Their defensive rankings improved SUBSTANTIALLY in both places his first year on the job.

 

Didn’t Capers have some very good success early on in his first years on the job? I just think most of these guys are so interchangeable. Dom will probably go somewhere and have success again.

 

Because he had one of the best DB ever Charles Woodson, a hall of fame performing talent Clay Matthews, and a fantastic safety Nick Collins to bail him out. Especially when Collins quit that was a huge blow.

[MrTPlush]

I Know a lot of people want to see man coverage, but haven’t we been drafting slower DBs more suited for zone? With the lack of speed we have I have a hard time seeing successful man coverage unless we get quite great safety production.

[FVBrewerFan]

So fire every assistant coach but give the head coach an extension? Ok.

 

Pretty much my reaction, except MM was extended a long time ago. I'm not overly optimistic they'll get this right.

 

First, I don't like the idea of firing people and shuffling them around to other positions. With Melvin, it made sense. Running an entire MLB/MiLB organization is a huge endeavor, and made sense for Melvin stick around. There is no reason for TT to hang around, just to help him save face somehow out of a sign of respect or something. Now I hear Bennett may wind up with a position somewhere. Just move on already.

 

As for MM, yea based on the moves they're making it looks like everyone is being held accountable except the HC. The GM, the players, both coordinators and a bunch of assistant coaches. But MM is untouchable.

[pacopete4]

 

Didn’t Capers have some very good success early on in his first years on the job? I just think most of these guys are so interchangeable. Dom will probably go somewhere and have success again.

 

Because he had one of the best DB ever Charles Woodson, a hall of fame performing talent Clay Matthews, and a fantastic safety Nick Collins to bail him out. Especially when Collins quit that was a huge blow.

 

 

Doesn't every good defensive coordinator have good players? I guess I don't understand your point? If anything your statement shows how poorly Ted has done with giving Capers the players he needs to get it right.

[brwrsfan]

I don't want those retreads Philbin or McAdoo around here. They are just putting McCarthy in his comfort zone, rather than lighting a fire under their butts to perform. Surely there is better out there than "bringing back the old gang."

 

The thing is...McAdoo was GREAT with Rodgers. Putting him back in a role that he was super successful at isn't the worst thing. Our offense has definitely declined since those guys left.

 

Defense on the other hand...yes, complete and utter overhaul would be ideal.

[superfly]

 

Didn’t Capers have some very good success early on in his first years on the job? I just think most of these guys are so interchangeable. Dom will probably go somewhere and have success again.

 

Because he had one of the best DB ever Charles Woodson, a hall of fame performing talent Clay Matthews, and a fantastic safety Nick Collins to bail him out. Especially when Collins quit that was a huge blow.

 

 

Doesn't every good defensive coordinator have good players? I guess I don't understand your point? If anything your statement shows how poorly Ted has done with giving Capers the players he needs to get it right.

 

I'm no Ted defender. You were pondering about Capers "success" early on, and that's why IMO.

[pacopete4]

 

I'm no Ted defender. You were pondering about Capers "success" early on, and that's why IMO.

 

I don't think success needs quotes. He had it. Won a Super Bowl with it.

[superfly]

 

I'm no Ted defender. You were pondering about Capers "success" early on, and that's why IMO.

 

I don't think success needs quotes. He had it. Won a Super Bowl with it.

 

I don't know why you are arguing with me. We both watch enough games to see that the defense is stale and not operating the way it did (7) years ago. Matthews is old and useless and there is no Woodson or Collins. Blame Ted, blame Dom, stick up for one what does it matter? The bottom line is his teaching is not getting through to the players on the field. Hideous defense and guys like Haha missing tackle after tackle are his responsibility. That's the bottom line. Should we reminisce over Colin Kaepernick record rushing days or Larry Fitzgerald 80 yard bombs in the playoffs to get the point?

[pacopete4]

 

I'm no Ted defender. You were pondering about Capers "success" early on, and that's why IMO.

 

I don't think success needs quotes. He had it. Won a Super Bowl with it.

 

I don't know why you are arguing with me. We both watch enough games to see that the defense is stale and not operating the way it did (7) years ago. Matthews is old and useless and there is no Woodson or Collins. Blame Ted, blame Dom, stick up for one what does it matter? The bottom line is his teaching is not getting through to the players on the field. Hideous defense and guys like Haha missing tackle after tackle are his responsibility. That's the bottom line.

 

Yep. We are in agreeance about needing change. Just wasn't sure why it was pointed out that he had success because had good players. That goes for every coach, everywhere.

[PeaveyFury]

Though this is correct, the difference is that Fangio has had immense success at both San Fran and Chicago. Their defensive rankings improved SUBSTANTIALLY in both places his first year on the job.

 

Didn’t Capers have some very good success early on in his first years on the job? I just think most of these guys are so interchangeable. Dom will probably go somewhere and have success again.

 

Yes, Capers' first two seasons were quite good. But Fangio hasn't had a defense ranked in the bottom half of the league in his last SEVEN seasons, and that includes 3 years running a Bears defense with a general lack of talent. In his four years with San Francisco, he never had a defense outside the top 5.