Packers Offseason Moves- Latest: Gutekunst Hired as GM, signed to 5-year deal (Joe Philbin-OC, Mike Pettine-DC)

[PeaveyFury]

Kind of sad to have meaningful football done for the state of Wisconsin after this weekend, but I think we can all agree that it's best to just have the Packers' season done at this point.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Seattle, New England, and Pittsburgh have perennially drafted late and have been fine.

I'd argue that if their starting QBs were out for 10 weeks you would find the flaws on their teams as well.

 

The one season NE went without Brady, they still managed to somehow squeak out 11 wins.

 

The Packers without Rodgers beat the Bears, had to go to OT to beat the Browns, who won't win a game this season (they are, literally, one of the worst teams in history), and needed OT to beat the Buccaneers. To simply say "any team would struggle without their starting QB" is to give a pass to how really horribly mismanaged and poorly built this Packers team is.

 

When Rodgers went down, and McCarthy was asked if the Packers would look at alternative options and he blustered and harumphed through the presser saying "We've got three years invested in Hundley!!!!!!" and we've seen in 9 games that the guy can barely complete anything more than 4 yards downfield, yet Jimmy Garrapolo is undefeated in San Francisco, and Kase Keenum is leading the VIkings to the two seed....... it really shows you how poor the entire makeup of the Packers roster is, minus Rodgers.

[pacopete4]

Or it shows you from year to year, really anything can happen. The Vikings were meh a year ago and could very well be next season. The 9ers are hot but couldn’t win a game without Garapolo. It’s the NFL. Other than the Pats, all franchises have ups and downs and miss the post season for numerous reasons. The Packers have been very lucky in other years to get in. It just is what it is but there is plenty of talent on this roster to build back up and go at it again next season. Just shows you not to put all your chips in one backup qb who has zero experience. It ended up wasting a season for GB.

[superfly]

This team is embarassing and the player development is even more so. There's just not any more you can say about this season than that. His angry postgame presser just makes me even more mad as well as HaHa's terrible effort. This team has been spiraling the toilet bowl and finally got the flush it deserved today.

[MrTPlush]

1. We have seen how much a QB means to a team. We went from of the best to maybe the worst. We weren’t going to win games with Hundley. He was absolutely miserable. The QB is by far the main reason for the results we got under the Hundley era. I’m not blaming McCarthy for the terrible offense. No way.

 

2. This year we learned Dom Capers is not the answer. The defense was terrible and the personnel he has isn’t even that bad. Is it a great defense? No, but he was not working with worst in the league personnel as the results showed.

[DuWayne Steurer]

1. We have seen how much a QB means to a team. We went from of the best to maybe the worst. We weren’t going to win games with Hundley. He was absolutely miserable. The QB is by far the main reason for the results we got under the Hundley era. I’m not blaming McCarthy for the terrible offense. No way.

 

2. This year we learned Dom Capers is not the answer. The defense was terrible and the personnel he has isn’t even that bad. Is it a great defense? No, but he was not working with worst in the league personnel as the results showed.

 

 

I will and I won't blame McCarthy. McCarthy said "we have 3 years of development in this guy!!!" In three years, you guys never saw that he couldn't complete a pass of more than 5 yards downfield? He hampered the offense so badly, that really all they could do was throw dumpoffs to the RB's, and quick hitters to the WR's behind the line of scrimmage. When, after three years of development that's all you've got, and you should KNOW that after three years, that is kind of on McCarthy. I understand that teams aren't going to have superstars for backup quarterbacks, but Hundley is dumpster fire material. If he was a rookie, this would be excusable, but he's not, so it isn't. When we had Detmer, Flynn, Brunell, Hasselback or even Doug Pedersen, it's not like I'd expect those guys to come in and take over a 5-6-7 game stretch and lead them to the promised land, but at least you had the feeling they could competently run an offense and throw passes more than 5 yards downfield.

 

2. We've known for a while that Dom Capers has no idea what he's doing.

[pacopete4]

What I find odd about Hundley for the Packers is that he doesn’t even seem to fit their mold for their offense. What was the goal there? He’s more of a Kaepernick type than a McCarthy style offense.

[adambr2]

I'm generally a MM supporter and don't want him replaced, but the guy's stubborn tendencies, the same ones that kept Capers here so long, are really starting to show at times.

 

I don't expect MM to be a perfect decision maker. That's crazy, no one can do that. What I do expect is that when a wrong decision is made, correct it and move on. Don't bang your head on the wall and compound the problem.

 

Hundley was a bad decision. It's not even Hundley's fault, he's just not the guy we thought he could be. That in itself is ok, but MM speaking postgame still sounds like a guy who is headed into 2018 with plans for Hundley to be our backup QB. He truly believes that with another off-season and training camp and more experience, Hundley will shine. Bless his heart -- but come on. You said it yourself, Mike. Hundley practices great every week. Some guys practice great every week and still can't put it together on Gameday. Hundley is one of those guys.

 

I fully realize Callahan may be junk, but by Week 17 there was absolutely no downside to letting him practice with the 1's, start, and at least have SOME information on him as to whether or not he can be a serviceable backup. Now we have none.

[pacopete4]

Jack Del Rio is an interesting candidate for DC.

[PeaveyFury]

Caldwell out in Detroit, Fox out in Chicago.

 

Fox is a bit puzzling to me. He came to the organization just three years ago, and they obtained the guy that they view as their franchise QB an offseason ago. Letting him go, despite 3 poor years, seems indicative of the increasingly short leash on coaches throughout the league.

 

EDIT: Corrected that Fox had three poor years. Nonetheless, they improved this year, in the first that they had their QB.

[LouisEly]

None of us knows what Hundley looks like in practice. Maybe he's one of those guys who looks good in practice but can't make the decisions in a game.

 

Plenty of interesting developmental QBs likely to go in round 3 or later. The guy I'm looking at is Riley Ferguson of Memphis; he was stuck behind Josh Dobbs (same recruiting class) at Tennessee and transferred but was a 4-star pro-style QB recruit. No one is talking about him as a 1st/2nd round pick, but in two years at Memphis has put up strong numbers (70 TDs, 19 INTs) and has ideal height at a listed 6'4". Mason Rudolph has his critics, but also has put up 9000 yards and 65 TDs/13 INTs over the last two years. Luke Falk has thrown for over 100 TDs in three years at WSU, and Mike White of WKU wasn't as good as he was last year but still has 63 TD/15 INT over the last two seasons. Nic Shimonek was stuck behind Pat Mahomes, but had a solid year as a starter for a bad TTU team. All of those guys have ideal size (6'3" or taller, 220+ lbs) for the NFL.

[pacopete4]

I’d be good with holding off on drafting a QB in this draft and targeting a guy next year. Trace McSorely peaks my interest for some reason.

[homer]

Caldwell out in Detroit, Fox out in Chicago.

 

Fox is a bit puzzling to me. He came to the organization just two years ago, and they obtained the guy that they view as their franchise QB an offseason ago. Letting him go, despite 2 poor years, seems indicative of the increasingly short leash on coaches throughout the league.

 

Living in Chicago, I have been overjoyed at their muddled personnel and coaching decisions since Pace took over at GM. I hope he stays forever.

[lcbj68c]

Moves I want?

 

1. Fire DC Dom Capers on Tuesday January 2nd, 2018. ~ Done 1/1/18

2. Hire DC....Jeremy Pruitt

3. Tell Ted Thompson to Retire/Move to Scout or Janitor, or whatever. Do it well before the 2018 draft. Promote Wolf. ~ Done 1/1/18

4. Resign Morgan Burnett, Davante Adams, Brett Goode, Corey Linsley at or slightly above reasonable market value 2 of 4

5. Resign Richard Rodgers, Davon House, and Jahri Evans at or under market value

6. Let Brooks, Dial, Goodson, and Janis walk.

7. Let the 2019 impending free agents worry about itself in March of 2019.

8. Sign Le'Veon Bell to 5yr/$65M deal. (Assuming he is not franchised by Pittsburgh)

9. Sign EJ Gaines/Malcolm Butler/Impact CB with cold weather success in Free Agency.

10. Sign Preston Brown/Demario Davis/Avery Williamson/Solid Tackling Type LB in Free Agency at Market Value

11. Draft Roquon Smith LB Georgia in the 1st round (pick 15 or so)

12. Draft Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma in the 2nd round (Pick 45 or so)

13. Draft OT and OG in rounds 3 and 4.

14. Stop drafting DT in the first six rounds. Find UDA or journeymen DT.

 

 

Welp...I'm 1 for 2 of 14 so far and got 2 of the 4 for internal Free Agents. Buh Bye Dom. A day earlier than necessary. TT right behind him.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21934687/green-bay-packers-fire-defensive-coordinator-dom-capers

[homer]

They don't need to spend big money on a running back.

[nate82]

Caldwell out in Detroit, Fox out in Chicago.

 

Fox is a bit puzzling to me. He came to the organization just two years ago, and they obtained the guy that they view as their franchise QB an offseason ago. Letting him go, despite 2 poor years, seems indicative of the increasingly short leash on coaches throughout the league.

 

Living in Chicago, I have been overjoyed at their muddled personnel and coaching decisions since Pace took over at GM. I hope he stays forever.

 

Fox was a McCaskey group hiring and Pace did not want to hire him. The struggles for the Bears have been the owners overriding their GM in terms of hiring coaches.

[homer]

Caldwell out in Detroit, Fox out in Chicago.

 

Fox is a bit puzzling to me. He came to the organization just two years ago, and they obtained the guy that they view as their franchise QB an offseason ago. Letting him go, despite 2 poor years, seems indicative of the increasingly short leash on coaches throughout the league.

 

Living in Chicago, I have been overjoyed at their muddled personnel and coaching decisions since Pace took over at GM. I hope he stays forever.

 

Fox was a McCaskey group hiring and Pace did not want to hire him. The struggles for the Bears have been the owners overriding their GM in terms of hiring coaches.

 

I know. It's wonderful.

[superfly]

They don't need to spend big money on a running back.

 

Agreed, but if Bell was truly available for that price I think we should look hard at it. It'd only commit us to him until age 30 and he is pretty much a once in a generation back. Pittsburgh does have Connor so maybe they'd move on. I wouldn't spend any money on anybody else.

[homer]

RB's get hurt so often that it doesn't make a ton of sense to invest a huge part of your salary cap towards them. Packers have three solid RB's on rookie deals.

[homer]

Thompson transitioning to new role per Ian Rappaport.

[PeaveyFury]

I've said previously that I believe that the Packers reached a handshake agreement last year to keep Wolf and Gutekunst here when they were up for other jobs and suddenly stopped pursuing other opportunities. My bet is that there is a plan in place for Ted to retire but stay on in advisory role as Ron Wolf did with Sherman his last year. I'd expect the "search for a new GM" to be quick and result in an internal hire that had already been determined.

[lcbj68c]

They don't need to spend big money on a running back.

 

Agreed, but if Bell was truly available for that price I think we should look hard at it. It'd only commit us to him until age 30 and he is pretty much a once in a generation back. Pittsburgh does have Connor so maybe they'd move on. I wouldn't spend any money on anybody else.

 

I'd agree with that. You look at those teams that are dominant right now and it's because they have pass-catching RB who's offense is capable of running through them for long periods of time, especially in the NFC. Panthers & McCaffrey, Saints & Kamara, Rams & Gurley, Vikings & Cook and on and on. Imagine the dominance the Packers could create with a pass-catching threat like Bell. I read that the Steelers were almost certainly going to tag him despite the $16M it's going to cost them, so the discussion is largely moot. I just wish we had more from the RB position than the 600yd backs that Thompson likes to draft and McCarthy likes to deploy.

[FVBrewerFan]

Two down, one to go. Listen to the bell Mike, it tolls for thee.

[LouisEly]

You look at those teams that are dominant right now and it's because they have pass-catching RB who's offense is capable of running through them for long periods of time, especially in the NFC. Panthers & McCaffrey, Saints & Kamara, Rams & Gurley, Vikings & Cook and on and on.

You mean like the Packers and Montgomery?

[lcbj68c]

You look at those teams that are dominant right now and it's because they have pass-catching RB who's offense is capable of running through them for long periods of time, especially in the NFC. Panthers & McCaffrey, Saints & Kamara, Rams & Gurley, Vikings & Cook and on and on.

You mean like the Packers and Montgomery?