Packers Offseason Moves- Latest: Gutekunst Hired as GM, signed to 5-year deal (Joe Philbin-OC, Mike Pettine-DC)

[LouisEly]

RB is about the last position that I would sign a FA. Jones could be special (Rodgers was raving about him after the preseason, and for good reason), Williams will be the next Starks, and you have the ideal 3rd down back in Montgomery.

 

Remember when people were calling for Adams to be cut after his second season? It can take players a couple of seasons to get it. Give Spriggs some more time.

 

Also agree that they need to see if it's the DC/scheme before investing a ton of money in the defense. Can't tell if it's talent or injuries at CB as they've been hurt so much.

 

Never saw that Michael Clark (*pats self on back for calling him as a UDFA*) was added to the roster. Someone must have tried to sign him to their active roster. Now they have seven WRs on the active roster. Not sure what that means for Adams/Nelson/Cobb for 2018. Janis is one of the best special teams players in the league, and your 5th/6th WRs have to play special teams.

[DHonks]

Dom Capers-gone along with the tired 3-4 scheme and hire a DC that will run a 4-3 scheme or even some 5-2 scheme.

 

We don't run a 3-4. I'm glad to see a couple Packers beat-writers acknowledge it. Last year I suggested we needed to build a team around our nickel defense, or we needed to draft players with enough cover skill to be able to utilize our 3-4 on most downs. But as they say, we play roughly 80% nickel/dime these days, and this is the second straight year where we've been heavily utilizing our 4th, 5th, and 6th cornerbacks.

 

We really need to hit on a few draft picks. I'd be happy to trade down if we could net a few more 2nd and 3rd rounders. Those are where Ted and Ron earned their keep in good drafts.

[brewcrewdue80]

They had a TE catch 55 - 60 balls just a few years ago. Jared Cook was a big part of the offense at the end of last year (he averaged over 9 targets per game the last 6 games including playoffs).

 

Maybe it is just the personnel but it just seems like they've went away from an offense that includes the tight end. This week was also glaring for me that maybe Rodgers is a bit selfish when running our offense. Only 13 rushing attempts? That's just flat out unacceptable. We finally have a two-headed monster back there and we could have done a way better job at limiting the time our defense had to be on the field if we chose to run a game plan to do so. Maybe we do need a different offensive coach. One that would tell Rodgers to get the ball out of his hands, on time, and to rely more on the run game to churn that clock. Seems to be working in places like Philly, LA, Jax, etc...

 

Part of the blame on running so few is being behind.

Dom Capers-gone along with the tired 3-4 scheme and hire a DC that will run a 4-3 scheme or even some 5-2 scheme.

 

We don't run a 3-4. I'm glad to see a couple Packers beat-writers acknowledge it. Last year I suggested we needed to build a team around our nickel defense, or we needed to draft players with enough cover skill to be able to utilize our 3-4 on most downs. But as they say, we play roughly 80% nickel/dime these days, and this is the second straight year where we've been heavily utilizing our 4th, 5th, and 6th cornerbacks.

 

We really need to hit on a few draft picks. I'd be happy to trade down if we could net a few more 2nd and 3rd rounders. Those are where Ted and Ron earned their keep in good drafts.

 

Well its a scheme that presents only 1 Defensive end type player or now just glorified LBs to attempt to pass rush, that fails to put pressure on the QB who then picks apart a weak secondary. So often it's a throw around the corner LB or run past them when they run up the field past rb/qb. Get caught cheating/sucking up and so and so is wide open in a soft zone.

 

I'm tired of the hard calls to fire TT that its not Capers' fault to be stuck with the talent he gets to work with. Um, it's Capers scheme to have "hybrid LBs/Secondary" it's not like TT is drafting DEs to play LB within Capers scheme who dont belong in it.

[LouisEly]

As of right now, GB is tied with LAC for the 15th worst record, but there are 13(!) teams with records between 8-6 and 6-8. Depending on how the last two games go, they could draft anywhere between 10th and 20th.

 

Looking at Scout.com's rankings, if these match the Packers board (unlikely, but it's something to go with) then Harold Landry will probably not be available when they pick. Based on this ranking, my preferred picks, in order, would be:

 

1) Clelin Ferrell to play the elephant OLB position, or with a DC change could play DE in a 4-3

2) Josh Jackson - CB

3) Courtland Sutton could be the replacement for Adams if they think the concussions are too risky to sign long-term

4) If they don't believe in Spriggs (I think still too early), McGlinchey or Orlando Brown could lock down RT. (People wanted to run Allen Barbre out of town in 2009, but eight years later he's still in the league; same with Marshall Newhouse)

 

Ridley and Kirk would need to put up blazing times in the speed drills, otherwise they are undersized slot receivers which can be had later in the draft. Nelson is intriguing, but TT doesn't draft guards early unless he is desperate (2006 - Colledge).

 

Also, don't flip out if they don't go OLB in the first round. There's plenty of 2nd-4th round depth at OLB in this class (Hercules Mata'afa, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Montez Sweat, Chase Winovich, Jeff Holland, Trent Harris, Ben Banogu, Anthony Winbush, Mat Boesen, Marquis Haynes).

[FVBrewerFan]

Also, don't flip out if they don't go OLB in the first round.

 

I won't flip out. They can draft literally any position other than QB/RB, and I'll be fine. In fact, with all the "best player available" talk we always hear I feel they've gone away from that a bit in recent drafts.

[pacopete4]

It looks as though the Packers are almost a lock for the 15th/16th pick. That's a solid place to be to grab some good talent. It will be interesting to see if they try to trade out of that area to obtain more picks.

[jerichoholicninja]

It looks as though the Packers are almost a lock for the 15th/16th pick. That's a solid place to be to grab some good talent. It will be interesting to see if they try to trade out of that area to obtain more picks.

 

Isn't that a given that they will unless Ted is fired before the draft?

[pacopete4]

It looks as though the Packers are almost a lock for the 15th/16th pick. That's a solid place to be to grab some good talent. It will be interesting to see if they try to trade out of that area to obtain more picks.

 

Isn't that a given that they will unless Ted is fired before the draft?

 

 

Under Thompson, they have traded out of the 1st round twice in thirteen drafts.

 

2005- Arod

2006- Hawk

2007- Harrell (I went irate)

2008- Yes

2009- Raji

2010- Bulaga

2011- Sherrod

2012- Perry

2013- Jones

2014- Clinton-Dix

2015- Randall

2016- Clark

2017- Yes

[TheEndless7]

It looks as though the Packers are almost a lock for the 15th/16th pick. That's a solid place to be to grab some good talent. It will be interesting to see if they try to trade out of that area to obtain more picks.

 

Isn't that a given that they will unless Ted is fired before the draft?

 

 

Under Thompson, they have traded out of the 1st round twice in thirteen drafts.

 

2005- Arod

2006- Hawk

2007- Harrell (I went irate)

2008- Yes

2009- Raji

2010- Bulaga

2011- Sherrod

2012- Perry

2013- Jones

2014- Clinton-Dix

2015- Randall

2016- Clark

2017- Yes

 

And adding to that in 2009 they traded back up INTO the first round to draft Matthews as well.

 

While Ted does love to trade picks, his trading out of the first round is grossly overstated.

[LouisEly]

To this day I am still convinced that if Revis hadn't gone the pick before that Revis would have been a Packer instead of Harrell.

[LouisEly]

Shouldn't the title of the thread be Packers Offseason Moves [sarcasm](what you want)[/sarcasm]?

 

Tom Silverstein on why Capers should go:

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/12/22/silverstein-packers-must-move-dom-capers/977755001/

 

Receivers, tight ends and running backs running free, defensive linemen jumping offside, and maybe the worst of all, quarterback Cam Newton caught on television telling linebacker Clay Matthews before the snap, “You’ve been watching film, huh? Watch this.”

 

“This” turned out to be Newton throwing to halfback Christian McCaffrey running uncovered over the middle for an easy touchdown while the Packers bungled a coverage they had worked on during the week.

 

Perhaps the most damning evidence of how disjointed things are on defense is the improvement Martinez, cornerback Damarious Randall, nose tackle Kenny Clark and linebacker Kyler Fackrell made this season. That should have been transformational for a defense that ranked 22nd in yards allowed, 21st in points and 26th in opponent passer rating last season.

[danzig6767]

1. Part ways with Capers

2. Hire Dave Aranda to replace Capers

3. Thompson retires (or asked to step down)

4. Hire Elliot as the new GM

5. Restructure: Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb

6. Franchise Davante Adams (concussions scare me away from 5-year deal)

7. Sign DeMarcus Lawrence if the Cowboys are dumb enough to let him walk.

Hard to argue with this list.

 

Overall, TT is good (not stellar, but very good) at drafting but his refusal to trade late round picks to shore up team needs has cost this team dearly. MM is not the problem.

Ted isn't good at drafting defense, the roster overall has been bleeding talent since the Super Bowl. We didn't have a single player named to the Pro Bowl.

 

Thompson needs to go before anything can get better. He runs everything. Who is on the roster and who coaches the team.

 

A new GM should be hired and that guy be allowed to dictate who is the coach.

 

Aaron Rodgers only has roughly five years left and no more of his greatness can be wasted by Ted's continued inability to put together competent defenses. Capers certainly also shares in that blame, but Ted could have forced McCarthy to fire Capers year ago.

[trwi7]

I want Trevor Davis off the team. Terrible receiver and actively hurts the team by constantly making fair catches inside the 10.

[pacopete4]

I want Trevor Davis off the team. Terrible receiver and actively hurts the team by constantly making fair catches inside the 10.

 

What a waste of a roster spot this guy is.

[Jenkins5]

Moves I want?

 

1. Fire DC Dom Capers on Tuesday January 2nd, 2018.

2. Hire DC....Jeremy Pruitt

3. Tell Ted Thompson to Retire/Move to Scout or Janitor, or whatever. Do it well before the 2018 draft. Promote Wolf.

4. Resign Morgan Burnett, Davante Adams, Brett Goode, Corey Linsley at or slightly above reasonable market value

5. Resign Richard Rodgers, Davon House, and Jahri Evans at or under market value

6. Let Brooks, Dial, Goodson, and Janis walk.

7. Let the 2019 impending free agents worry about itself in March of 2019.

8. Sign Le'Veon Bell to 5yr/$65M deal. (Assuming he is not franchised by Pittsburgh)

9. Sign EJ Gaines/Malcolm Butler/Impact CB with cold weather success in Free Agency.

10. Sign Preston Brown/Demario Davis/Avery Williamson/Solid Tackling Type LB in Free Agency at Market Value

11. Draft Roquon Smith LB Georgia in the 1st round (pick 15 or so)

12. Draft Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma in the 2nd round (Pick 45 or so)

13. Draft OT and OG in rounds 3 and 4.

14. Stop drafting DT in the first six rounds. Find UDA or journeymen DT.

[MrTPlush]

How are you signing two major FAs and you didn’t mention dropping(or at least restructuring) at least one of Matthews/Nelson/Cobb? Not restructuring he first two would just be dumb. The way Nelson played without Rodgers would look terrible on the open market and Matthews isn’t near as impactful as he once was.

[homer]

Either move Matthews to ILB or cut him.He is chewing up way too much money for the production he provides.

[jerichoholicninja]

[sarcasm]Release Rodgers. They don't have a choice now, right?[/sarcasm]

[MrTPlush]

Do owners complain just to complain? If it was that big of a deal they would have waste a roster spot for two days and not IRed h. That is why the NFL doesn’t care.

[jerichoholicninja]

Do owners complain just to complain? If it was that big of a deal they would have waste a roster spot for two days and not IRed h. That is why the NFL doesn’t care.

 

Maybe. They're been very inconsistent about the things they care about lately. I could see the NFL doing nothing. I could also see the NFL docking a draft pick or two.

[pacopete4]

Hope they take a pick. Force a free agent upon us. Might start winning again. Half kidding.

[JohnBriggs12]

Do owners complain just to complain? If it was that big of a deal they would have waste a roster spot for two days and not IRed h. That is why the NFL doesn’t care.

 

I dunno, this might be the blunder of blunders that costs everyone their jobs. Rodgers did not suffer a new injury against Carolina and the rules stipulate that a player must suffer a new injury to be put back on IR. If it was a just a bruises in general, that explanation doesn't suffice. Would have to be a specific bruise that affected his ability to perform. No other team is going to complain about a back end of the roster type but with a star player? Packers clearly weren't thinking and it might cost them their franchise player.

[pacopete4]

How does anyone know he didn’t get hurt again? He was batted around in Carolina and played worse as the game wore on.

[lcbj68c]

I dunno, this might be the blunder of blunders that costs everyone their jobs. Rodgers did not suffer a new injury against Carolina and the rules stipulate that a player must suffer a new injury to be put back on IR. If it was a just a bruises in general, that explanation doesn't suffice. Would have to be a specific bruise that affected his ability to perform. No other team is going to complain about a back end of the roster type but with a star player? Packers clearly weren't thinking and it might cost them their franchise player.

 

I concur. At best, this is really poor attention to detail...deliberate attempt to circumvent the rules, at worst. Ted Thompson blunder no doubt.

 

I think we all know generally what happened and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. They waited until they were eliminated on Monday night/Tuesday morning and figured they would shut Aaron Rodgers down. He was probably cleared by the doctors and taken off of IR with juuuuust a little bit of hesitation by both football operations and medical operations. When they were eliminated, they probably put him back on IR without knowing or caring to look up the rules for placement on IR. They never reported another injury Rodgers wasn't re-injured. He didn't reinjure his collarbone. He didn't injure anything that would require placement on IR. He wasn't removed from the game and in McCarthy's post game presser or responses, simply said Rodgers was sore. Had they not been eliminated, a sore Rodgers would not have been placed on IR. They simply wanted the roster spot. I don't understand placing Rodgers on IR. Callahan was already reacquired and the more prudent move would have been to simply make Rodgers the 3rd QB or inactive on game day. At this point, there was no street free agent worthy of protecting on the 53-man roster at the risk of lying about Rodgers placement on the IR. I am ashamed that Ted Thompson essentially did something that the Patriots gets accused of. I think it's a lot more egregious than some Packers fans are minimizing it to be. This isn't about Rodgers playing or not, the Packers had ample reason to justify Aaron not playing. This is about manipulating the 53-man roster and violating the rules while doing it. Placing Aaron Rodgers on waivers doesn't seem like a prudent punishment, but I think the Packers should be punished in some manner.

[superfly]

They just plain didn't give two poops about it and figured nobody else would either. Pretty much how every offseason operates too...completely aloof.