Packers Offseason Moves- Latest: Gutekunst Hired as GM, signed to 5-year deal (Joe Philbin-OC, Mike Pettine-DC)

[adambr2]

Bombshell report out of New England that this may be Belichick's last year in New England because of friction between BB/Brady/Kraft. Sounds like Belichick was basically forced into trading Jimmy G by Kraft and Brady.

 

Just for fun, hypothetically if BB were to find himself available after the season and interested in the opportunity here, would you fire McCarthy, hand Belichick the reins to both GM and HC and basically give him total control?

 

Actually... no. Perhaps one or the other, but not both. Been there... done that... two jobs are too big for one person not matter who it is.

 

Also, I understand the frustration with TT and MM over "only" winning one SB and it being seven years ago, but I think some of us have forgotten what other teams go through with good and/or bad players. MM makes blunders, but he is still in the top 10 coaches in the league. Sometimes a change needs to be made for the sake of team unity and cohesion (same as I said with DC as the DC). But its very easy to dump throw out everything and end up with something much worse.

 

When I hear Viking fans say that Packer fans have gotten soft and spoiled by success, I'm starting to see where they get that impression.

 

BB has been GM and HC of the Pats for years. In general I'm also against the dual role but Belichick is the exception to just about any rule.

[adambr2]

Bob McGinn is saying that Ball will be next GM and Gutekunst will be VP (assuming Gutekunst will run personnel dept).

 

So basically nothing in the front office changes aside from TT not having to meet with the media 1x a year (now he throws his clone Ball out to the wolves).

 

Also, in this scenario Wolf is likely the next one out the door the next time a GM gig opens up.

 

Lovely. So we pegged a successor less qualified than TT while alienating both our star player and Eliot Wolf in the process.

 

This reeks of a 'good ol boy' move. Someone in the organization for years that has probably been promised the role by Murphy. They knew who they wanted all along and nothing was going to change their mind.

 

So we're now entrusting the last few years of Rodgers' career to a guy who can't evaluate talent. What could go wrong?

[pacopete4]

It’s weird that if this is true it’s not really being reported anywhere.

[adambr2]

If anyone thought Thompson was too conservative in free agency, just wait for Ball. The entire roster construction will depend on Ted's scouting.

[young guns]

I heard that darren perry, safeties coach, is the front runner for the dc job. I don't know anything really about him and who knows, he could be a great dc, but I'm feeling underwhelmed. I was hoping they would go outside the organization for the new dc, get a completely fresh perspective on that side of the ball.

[adambr2]

It’s weird that if this is true it’s not really being reported anywhere.

 

I don't think it's official or anything yet and probably won't be til Monday, just McGinn reporting on the sources he has that it's more or less a done deal.

[adambr2]

I heard that Dylan perry(sp?), safeties coach, is the front runner for the dc job. I don't know anything really about him and who knows, he could be a great dc, but I'm feeling underwhelmed. I was hoping they would go outside the organization for the new dc, get a completely fresh perspective on that side of the ball.

 

Nice reward for a God-awful season from our safeties almost across the board.

 

What an underwhelming letdown if these two hires come to fruition.

[jerichoholicninja]

So after finally deciding they need to make changes in certain areas, they are going to replace the people they canned with essentially the same people? Sounds incredibly stupid to me.

 

I'm not a Packers fan or a fan of any particular NFL team for that matter but I do like to see organizations in all sports run properly and I find the things happening in Green Bay to be baffling. I can't imagine what die hard fans of the team are feeling. Honestly, Rodgers needs to go full on LeBron and start making demands or threatening to leave.

[homer]

Where are people getting that Ball is Ted Redux? Is it just because he worked under him so long?

 

Also, no one complained when Casey Hayward was let go. He was injured almost as much as he played. McGinn was supportive of the move.

[pacopete4]

Where are people getting that Ball is Ted Redux? Is it just because he worked under him so long?

 

Also, no one complained when Casey Hayward was let go. He was injured almost as much as he played. McGinn was supportive of the move.

 

Reports that MM will move on if he’s hired because he hasn’t seen eye to eye with him in years. Also a report that Rodgers does not like the move. Plus plenty of other reports that he’s never scouted and is a cap/financial guy.

[CheezWizHed]

I don't like any internal candidate for DC. There needs to be some fresh viewpoints here.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Ball as GM would essentially be a puppet to TT, since he's still in the front office - Both Ball and TT would essentially continue being responsible for the same tasks they've been doing prior seasons, it's just that Ball can put a 'GM' placard on his desk and TT doesn't have to deal with the aspects of the GM role he never liked. If these moves come to fruition, the front office is just rearranging deck chairs because Murphy doesn't have the chops to blow it up.

[superfly]

Bob McGinn is saying that Ball will be next GM and Gutekunst will be VP (assuming Gutekunst will run personnel dept).

 

So basically nothing in the front office changes aside from TT not having to meet with the media 1x a year (now he throws his clone Ball out to the wolves).

 

Also, in this scenario Wolf is likely the next one out the door the next time a GM gig opens up.

 

Lovely. So we pegged a successor less qualified than TT while alienating both our star player and Eliot Wolf in the process.

 

This reeks of a 'good ol boy' move. Someone in the organization for years that has probably been promised the role by Murphy. They knew who they wanted all along and nothing was going to change their mind.

 

So we're now entrusting the last few years of Rodgers' career to a guy who can't evaluate talent. What could go wrong?

 

I never thought in my life the day would come where I would absolutely hate my football team and this organization. If this happens and Perry becomes DC it will officially be here. What a dump we're turning into. Ask the Minnesota Twins how the "good old country club" worked for them the past 25 years pre Molitor/new GM.

 

And don't give me the line of "all we do is win around here," and "last time he canned his staff they won a Super bowl." The Titanic made it halfway to America before the rearranging of the deck chairs quit working too.

[pacopete4]

Maybe we are seeing the true Ted Thompson. The one that Favre despises and that led to that horrific organization breakup. Maybe Ted really is an devious jerk who is as selfish as can be? Maybe he sees this as his way to get what he wants. Still controlling the Packers but not having to ever be on TV or step in front of the media again. Something just does not smell right here at all. Not good. Not good.

[PeaveyFury]

Seems like a lot of assumptions are being made and conclusions are being jumped to based off of one unconfirmed report. Yes, McGinn is a legend, but does he not also have an agenda to drive subscribers to his new paid site? Why are NONE of the other beat writers privy to the information that he is, despite the actual current beat writers being presumably closer to 1265 Lombardi? And why would the Packers have reached out in the past day or two to both the Vikings about Paton and Reggie McKenzie to request interviews next week if they were already planning to announce Ball as the hire on Monday?

 

Not saying McGinn is wrong. But let's let this play out before people lose their minds.

[superfly]

Seems like a lot of assumptions are being made and conclusions are being jumped to based off of one unconfirmed report. Yes, McGinn is a legend, but does he not also have an agenda to drive subscribers to his new paid site? Why are NONE of the other beat writers privy to the information that he is, despite the actual current beat writers being presumably closer to 1265 Lombardi? And why would the Packers have reached out in the past day or two to both the Vikings about Paton and Reggie McKenzie to request interviews next week if they were already planning to announce Ball as the hire on Monday?

 

Not saying McGinn is wrong. But let's let this play out before people lose their minds.

 

I'm hoping you're right.

[PeaveyFury]

The Packers have hired former Colts WR coach Jim Hostler to the same position. Presumably, this means Edgar Bennett will be moving on.

 

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Bolt/Green-Bay-Packers-reportedly-to-hire-Indianapolis-Cots-Jim-Hostler-as-wide-receivers-coach--113289674

[pacopete4]

Philbin officially back at OC. That could be good news. Things worked well while he was here.

[PeaveyFury]

Packers reached out to Seattle to interview John Schneider and were blocked by the club. They could still try to work out a trade. Former Bills GM Doug Whaley is expected to interview as well. Per Rob Demovsky, McCarthy is fine working with any of the three internal candidates, despite McGinn's report:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/43284/packers-denied-permission-to-interview-john-schneider-could-still-pursue-trade

[jerichoholicninja]

Whaley is only being interviewed for the Rooney Rule. I think we can all agree on that.

[nate82]

Whaley is only being interviewed for the Rooney Rule. I think we can all agree on that.

 

Such a dumb rule nothing says you are useless and we are only interviewing you because we have to like these rules.

[patrickgpe]

I know noone is saying this but i am not assuming it is just going to Ball and its done. We do know that they were declined permission to speak to the Vikings assistant GM and Schneider and McKenkie declined an interview. Seems like if it was 100% Ball they GM search would be a little bit different. I am going to guess we will know next week, can't see this search going past next weekend.

[lcbj68c]

How are these reports correct when we know that they haven't complied with the Rooney Rule?

[jerichoholicninja]

How are these reports correct when we know that they haven't complied with the Rooney Rule?

 

Doug Whaley as discussed above.

[adambr2]

The Rooney rule is so stupid. I understand that it has a genuine purpose but in actual practice it's a joke. It's more insulting than helpful, nothing says "You're our token interview minority" like interviewing a person of color when it's already widely known that a candidate has already been selected.

 

I won't pretend to know of a good way that the NFL can promote diversity in the front offices but the Rooney rule isn't it.