Brewers Sign Yovani Gallardo (Update, reply #198: Signs MLB deal w/CIN, 1 yr/$750K guaranteed)

[DHonks]

Wait, 2008 was Sveum and Yost. I'm surprised Roenicke hasn't gotten another job. He's did a nice job

[MVP2110]

Stuff I've been hearing on mlbtv and other baseball sites.....

His fastball was at its best last season in terms of mph.

He still has an above average curveball.

He is only 31/32 years old.

 

Was the fastball uptick legit or did it come from the change in how it's measured (I know that was a big talking point a while ago, but I don't know if I ever read how much it added on average).

 

The Milone deal makes some sense, given the need for big league arms, but I do worry a bit about 40-man space if they get a couple of more signings. I'd rather hang onto someone like Baker, who feels like a Rule 5 type without the Rule 5 restrictions, and give him a year to show that he should be in the 2019 plans before the Rule 5 crunch comes next year.

 

This is a fair question imo about the fastball uptick being legit or not. Anyone smarter than me know?

[MVP2110]

Wait, 2008 was Sveum and Yost. I'm surprised Roenicke hasn't gotten another job. He's did a nice job

 

I am too. Thought RRR definitely deserved(deserves) another shot to be a manager. I never thought he was that bad to be honest.

[reillymcshane]

Wait, 2008 was Sveum and Yost. I'm surprised Roenicke hasn't gotten another job. He's did a nice job

 

I am too. Thought RRR definitely deserved(deserves) another shot to be a manager. I never thought he was that bad to be honest.

I think Roenicke had his chance and is by the wayside. He's unlikely to get another chance - unless he happens to be in an interim situation and his club catches fire.

 

RRR's problem was that he was just 'meh.' He was just kind of uninspiring. During his stint with Milwaukee, no one talked about him as a genius or as a great strategist or inspiring or whatever. It was just sort of - not bad - but nothing special. Unfortunately, that's not going to get you another gig in this day and age.

 

At 61, Roenicke had his chance and things just didn't align. I think people respect him (he hasn't been out of work since he was fired), and they probably appreciate his experience and knowledge. But I doubt anyone thinks they are going to gain an edge with RRR.

[Lathund]

Stuff I've been hearing on mlbtv and other baseball sites.....

His fastball was at its best last season in terms of mph.

He still has an above average curveball.

He is only 31/32 years old.

 

Was the fastball uptick legit or did it come from the change in how it's measured (I know that was a big talking point a while ago, but I don't know if I ever read how much it added on average).

 

The Milone deal makes some sense, given the need for big league arms, but I do worry a bit about 40-man space if they get a couple of more signings. I'd rather hang onto someone like Baker, who feels like a Rule 5 type without the Rule 5 restrictions, and give him a year to show that he should be in the 2019 plans before the Rule 5 crunch comes next year.

 

This is a fair question imo about the fastball uptick being legit or not. Anyone smarter than me know?

 

I recall seeing something about how part way into the season, the different way to measure started getting factored into the numbers shown. I don't know if this year's data was adjusted down or the past adjusted up, but something was done to make the numbers comparative.

[Point Beer Is Best]

The second half of the season very well could be Nelson, Chase, Davies, Woodruff, Burnes. We still have Suter, Guerra, Gallardo, Wilkerson, Jungmann who can eat up first half innings to get to this point.

 

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if the Brewers signed Gallardo as a much cheaper multi-inning pen arm than what the FA market is paying.

 

Would anyone have Gallardo's stats for the first time through a lineup over the last two years? Or the first inning or two of his games started? If he had success in those areas, they very well could have been targeting him as a bullpen arm rather than a starter.

[JosephC]

If Gallardo had an increase in velocity last year it really didn't help him. He ended the year with a 5.72 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, 5.53 FIP, 74 ERA+, 1.57 K/BB. I don't really know if his fastball velocity means anything at this point.

 

As far as Gallardo's numbers early in appearances, this is all I've got (from ESPN's site)

 

2017:

pitches 1-15 opponents slash line against = .299/.374/.535/.909

pitches 16-30 opponents slash line against = .236/.303/.386/.689

 

2016:

pitches 1-15 opponents slash line against = .310/.421/.593/1.014

pitches 16-30 opponents slash line against = .273/.324/.445/.769

[monty57]

Someone earlier posted that he was moved to the bullpen and put up decent numbers. Is it possible that from the pen he lets loose (ergo the uptick in velocity) and gets guys out, while as a starter he holds back some and gets rocked? Or maybe his secondary stuff isn't as good anymore and he doesn't have to throw that as often from the pen?

 

It is entirely possible that Stearns picked up Gallardo as a multi-inning guy for the pen.

[Humans Need Water]

Gallardo in pen last year threw 16ip, 9h, 3er, 7bb, 10k, 1.69 ERA and batters slashed 164/258/513(ops). He very well could be a multi-inning pen arm that's going to be much cheaper than a FA arm. Plus he has starter experience so if needed here or there could step into that role.

[Roderick]

If Gallardo had an increase in velocity last year it really didn't help him. He ended the year with a 5.72 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, 5.53 FIP, 74 ERA+, 1.57 K/BB. I don't really know if his fastball velocity means anything at this point.

 

As far as Gallardo's numbers early in appearances, this is all I've got (from ESPN's site)

 

2017:

pitches 1-15 opponents slash line against = .299/.374/.535/.909

pitches 16-30 opponents slash line against = .236/.303/.386/.689

 

2016:

pitches 1-15 opponents slash line against = .310/.421/.593/1.014

pitches 16-30 opponents slash line against = .273/.324/.445/.769

 

I would attribute this more to the top 3-5 hitters in the lineup (pitches 1-15) are going to be that much better than the next hitters.

[LouisEly]

The second half of the season very well could be Nelson, Chase, Davies, Woodruff, Burnes. We still have Suter, Guerra, Gallardo, Wilkerson, Jungmann who can eat up first half innings to get to this point.

 

That said, I wouldn't be shocked if the Brewers signed Gallardo as a much cheaper multi-inning pen arm than what the FA market is paying.

 

Would anyone have Gallardo's stats for the first time through a lineup over the last two years? Or the first inning or two of his games started? If he had success in those areas, they very well could have been targeting him as a bullpen arm rather than a starter.

Courtesy of B-R.com

2017

1st PA as SP (198 PAs) - .925 OPS-A

2nd PA as SP (198 PAs) - .849 OPS-A

3rd PA as SP (121 PAs) - .763 OPS-A

1st PA as RP (45 PAs) - .584 OPS-A

2nd PA as RP (17 PAs) - .307 OPS-A

 

2016

1st PA as SP (206 PAs) - .835 OPS-A

2nd PA as SP (194 PAs) - .817 OPS-A

3rd PA as SP (119 PAs) - .776 OPS-A

[BrewCrewForever]

I think this is fine as long as Yo is nothing more than back end rotation depth or a long/swingman out of the pen.

[SRB]

Stearns is a smart GM, so I'm optimistic he thinks they have some answer to improve Yovani's pitching (probably in a bullpen role). For example, this Fangraphs article suggested he might benefit by adopting an unusual breaking-ball-heavy pitch selection:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/its-time-for-a-pitcher-to-throw-80-breaking-balls/

[brewmann04]

I am sure it to the back end like someone said he not going to replace Nelson

[djoctagone]

I am sure it to the back end like someone said he not going to replace Nelson

but what you want?

[KeithStone53151]

Stearns is a smart GM, so I'm optimistic he thinks they have some answer to improve Yovani's pitching (probably in a bullpen role). For example, this Fangraphs article suggested he might benefit by adopting an unusual breaking-ball-heavy pitch selection:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/its-time-for-a-pitcher-to-throw-80-breaking-balls/

 

I think a handful of guys are doing that with breaking balls, generally throwing a slider a lot more. Look at swarzak last year. Also look at McCullers in the playoffs. In one outing I think he threw 27 straight curveballs or something ridiculous against the Yankees. As long as this is a low $ deal, I don't mind it. If it's more than like $3 million I'll be a bit annoyed.

[LouisEly]

Something else I was thinking about was if this is an indicator of putting Hader in the rotation. In the event that Hader is a starter and can't go deep into games, they will need someone to go multiple innings after him. Insert Gallardo as a long reliever; teams will have stacked the lineup with RHH against Hader, then bring in a multi-inning reliever for RHP-RHH matchups. There may be no intention of Gallardo as a starter; the role they envision might be long relief.

[FVBrewerFan]

Something else I was thinking about was if this is an indicator of putting Hader in the rotation. In the event that Hader is a starter and can't go deep into games, they will need someone to go multiple innings after him. Insert Gallardo as a long reliever; teams will have stacked the lineup with RHH against Hader, then bring in a multi-inning reliever for RHP-RHH matchups. There may be no intention of Gallardo as a starter; the role they envision might be long relief.

 

Anything's possible, but I don't think signing Yo moves the needle on any other decisions they're making. Just one more arm in camp to see how they can use him, or even IF they can use him anywhere.

[monty57]

Something else I was thinking about was if this is an indicator of putting Hader in the rotation. In the event that Hader is a starter and can't go deep into games, they will need someone to go multiple innings after him. Insert Gallardo as a long reliever; teams will have stacked the lineup with RHH against Hader, then bring in a multi-inning reliever for RHP-RHH matchups. There may be no intention of Gallardo as a starter; the role they envision might be long relief.

 

I think Gallardo is slated for the pen as someone who can go multiple innings, alongside guys like Suter and Guerra who can also go multiple innings. Having a few of these guys should be a blessing when we have a young rotation.

 

Stearns likes flexibility, and guys in the pen who can go one inning, multiple innings, or even spot start can give a team a lot of options.

[ewitkows]

any word yet on the $$$?

[mlloyd10]

Yovani Gallardo gets $2m base salary and $2m in performance bonuses on 1-year deal

[KeithStone53151]

Yovani Gallardo gets $2m base salary and $2m in performance bonuses on 1-year deal

 

The base is non-guaranteed. That's been specifically noted. Stearns also specifically said he will be competing for a spot in the rotation and bullpen, he has incentives in place for both scenarios.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yovani Gallardo gets $2m base salary and $2m in performance bonuses on 1-year deal

 

I like it. Next to no risk financially. If he rebounds and the team is playing below expectations, he'll be a great trade chip in July.

[KeithStone53151]

I have to think Gallardo is more likely to land in the bullpen than rotation, but it also seems like this could be a competition thing. Hader/Suter/Guerra/Gallardo...go out there and earn the 5th rotation spot. The losers get bullpen duty(or cut in Guerra's case). I like it.

[KeithStone53151]

Yovani Gallardo gets $2m base salary and $2m in performance bonuses on 1-year deal

 

The base is non-guaranteed. That's been specifically noted. Stearns also specifically said he will be competing for a spot in the rotation and bullpen, he has incentives in place for both scenarios.