Brewers Sign Yovani Gallardo (Update, reply #198: Signs MLB deal w/CIN, 1 yr/$750K guaranteed)

[LouisEly]

That being said, I'd rather they have brought back Garza for that amount.

 

I never want Garza on this team again. I would have suspended him when he refused to pitch out the bullpen at the end of 2015. Instead the Brewers just sent him home and continued paying his $12 million a year salary. He's a piece of garbage.

 

Let it go.

[CheezWizHed]

Ok, I actually had to double check to make sure it wasn't April 1st... I wasn't expecting this one.

 

Is there any chance that Yovanni is coming back as an RP instead of SP?

[Jenkins5]

Ok, I actually had to double check to make sure it wasn't April 1st... I wasn't expecting this one.

 

Is there any chance that Yovanni is coming back as an RP instead of SP?

 

I think it depends on his spring. He is an option for both.

 

I find it funny so many people are complaining or upset about it. On here, Twitter, and so on. It’s not a big name. It’s not a guy who has pitched like he’d help us too much but at same time....he is low risk, see what he does guy. If he falls face first, who cares.... we lose nothing.Just because it is our first move doesn’t mean on Dec. 17 we are done making moves. Still over two months away from pitchers reporting! Gallardo is pretty much a little more expensive waiver claim. Give him a shot & see if he bounces back. Again, turning 32, up tick in velocity, back home.... see if he can find it again. If he does, that’s awesome for us. If he sucks as starter & in pen....dfa & move on! Wasting 1.5 million or what ever he gets is not going to wreck us....

 

Welcome home Gallardo!

[TURBO]

My concern is that he goes into the rotation, we stick with him WAY too long, hoping he rights the ship, and we end up wishing we had given up on him a lot sooner than we did.

 

Lots of people saying if he sucks, we get rid of him and lose nothing, but I view the games that he loses for us as a HUGE loss.

 

I hope I am wrong, but this is how I see it happening.

[dacbrewers]

It wouldn't surprise me if they gave Gallardo 6 or 7 million.

[Boomer5]

It wouldn't surprise me if they gave Gallardo 6 or 7 million.

 

I would. His ceiling is modestly competent 5th starter and his floor is the worst starting pitcher in baseball.

 

It's not my money but that seems like an odd use of salary.

 

More young controllable talent.

[502 to Right]

Stealth tank. Got no problem with it either.

 

Agreed on both points. Drafting 19th with the associated pool money does not help bring in those 60 grade players.

 

 

I'm getting really damn sick and tired of reading about people hoping to tank in 2018. Stop thinking like this team lost 100 games last season.

[TURBO]

Stealth tank. Got no problem with it either.

 

Agreed on both points. Drafting 19th with the associated pool money does not help bring in those 60 grade players.

 

 

I'm getting really damn sick and tired of reading about people hoping to tank in 2018. Stop thinking like this team lost 100 games last season.

 

The Brewers lost 100 games last season?

[danzig6767]

There has to be somebody, anybody, more worth bringing in than Gallardo.

 

I'd rather sit through the torture of Willy Peralta starts because he at least has a great arm and there is maybe a 2-3% chance he figures out how to use that great arm.

 

Every stat is bad with Gallardo, from ERA/WHIP/BB9/K9/HR9/K-BB ratio/innings per start. And he was terrible the year prior, along with getting old.

 

Let any arm in our minors try starting up here instead, be it Lopez, Jungmann, or just anybody not named Gallardo.

[Devinep]

 

I'm getting really damn sick and tired of reading about people hoping to tank in 2018. Stop thinking like this team lost 100 games last season.

 

The Brewers lost 100 games last season?

I think his point was that despite having a young team with prospects upcoming and a winning record last year, many think it would be a bad idea to acquire controllable talent because they won’t be projected to finish ahead of the Cubs.

[superfly]

Stealth tank. Got no problem with it either.

 

Agreed on both points. Drafting 19th with the associated pool money does not help bring in those 60 grade players.

 

 

I'm getting really damn sick and tired of reading about people hoping to tank in 2018. Stop thinking like this team lost 100 games last season.

 

Thank you.

[rickh150]

If the Brewers gave him anything north of $2 mil, I'd be surprised.

Yo should see that he has a real opportunity being in the rotation in Milwaukee this season. He's got an inside track if he does well in ST, unlike most other places. Smart move.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Gallardo is a low floor, low ceiling type of pitcher. I don't know why they would give him a 40 man roster spot. If he was a minor league FA, then I would have no problem with this. But if they want to sign any other FA, they are going to have to DFA someone and quite frankly no one is worse than Gallardo on our 40 man. So this is not a low risk sign. Someone better than Gallardo is going to be exposed to waivers or released to sign anyone else.

[pacopete4]

Gallardo is a low floor, low ceiling type of pitcher. I don't know why they would give him a 40 man roster spot. If he was a minor league FA, then I would have no problem with this. But if they want to sign any other FA, they are going to have to DFA someone and quite frankly no one is worse than Gallardo on our 40 man. So this is not a low risk sign. Someone better than Gallardo is going to be exposed to waivers or released to sign anyone else.

 

 

As long as Drake stays on this 40, Gallardo is safe. But to your point, I don’t thing this move alone will stop Stearns from churning the bottom of the roster. That seems to be one of his favorite things to do.

[adambr2]

Still have a ton of dead weight pitching on this 40:

 

Drake - If he survives to the 25 again I'll be amazed.

Wang - It was a nice thought. He's just not good.

Webb - I totally forgot about this guy.

Baker - Wait, who?

 

Not hard to see Yo replacing one of these 4.

[MadThinker88]

Still have a ton of dead weight pitching on this 40:

 

Drake - If he survives to the 25 again I'll be amazed.

Wang - It was a nice thought. He's just not good.

Webb - I totally forgot about this guy.

Baker - Wait, who?

 

Not hard to see Yo replacing one of these 4.

 

Oh please waive Dylan Baker.. Now that the Rule 5 draft is behind us, Cleveland would gladly pick him back up..

[KeithStone53151]

My concern is that he goes into the rotation, we stick with him WAY too long, hoping he rights the ship, and we end up wishing we had given up on him a lot sooner than we did.

 

Lots of people saying if he sucks, we get rid of him and lose nothing, but I view the games that he loses for us as a HUGE loss.

 

I hope I am wrong, but this is how I see it happening.

 

I think the brewers had fairly reasonable hooks last year for guys like feliz, villar, broxton, Guerra, peralta. I trust their judgement on a leash for Gallardo when the time comes.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Still have a ton of dead weight pitching on this 40:

 

Drake - If he survives to the 25 again I'll be amazed.

Wang - It was a nice thought. He's just not good.

Webb - I totally forgot about this guy.

Baker - Wait, who?

 

Not hard to see Yo replacing one of these 4.

 

Gallardo is not better than any of those four. Drake/Webb are close, but they are younger than Gallardo and at least have some peripherals that give hope they could be useful. At least they have a high K/9.

Gallardo was just bad the last two years. While a SP has a higher value than a RP, a bad SP is far more damaging to a team than a bad RP (in terms of pure innings and runs allowed)

 

I don't mind losing Drake/Webb/Baker (I'd like to hang on to Wang), I just don't want to lose them to obtain worse players.

[brewcrewdue80]

Ok, I actually had to double check to make sure it wasn't April 1st... I wasn't expecting this one.

 

Is there any chance that Yovanni is coming back as an RP instead of SP?

 

I think it depends on his spring. He is an option for both.

 

I find it funny so many people are complaining or upset about it. On here, Twitter, and so on. It’s not a big name. It’s not a guy who has pitched like he’d help us too much but at same time....he is low risk, see what he does guy. If he falls face first, who cares.... we lose nothing.Just because it is our first move doesn’t mean on Dec. 17 we are done making moves. Still over two months away from pitchers reporting! Gallardo is pretty much a little more expensive waiver claim. Give him a shot & see if he bounces back. Again, turning 32, up tick in velocity, back home.... see if he can find it again. If he does, that’s awesome for us. If he sucks as starter & in pen....dfa & move on! Wasting 1.5 million or what ever he gets is not going to wreck us....

 

Welcome home Gallardo!

 

The problem is April/May records count. Give him 6starts and he goes 0-4 with a 5+ERA and then dump this project....come October, those 6 games had the won 3 of them and it meant playoffs. Just a waste to not put a bigger winning emphasis to begin a year. If it turns out so or so who would have cost 4-10million more for this season produces well...why arent we exhausting some more money when theres room to do so? Just looks bad.

[danzig6767]

If the Brewers gave him anything north of $2 mil, I'd be surprised.

Yo should see that he has a real opportunity being in the rotation in Milwaukee this season. He's got an inside track if he does well in ST, unlike most other places. Smart move.

What is smart about this for the Brewers?

 

We just signed one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball over the last two years who excels at nothing and he'll be 32 come the start of the season.

 

Gallardo walks to many hitters, doesn't strike out enough, is homer prone, and doesn't eat up innings. At best he should be a spring training invitee and even then i'd be very dubious of any spring training success given how bad he's been.

[TJseven7]

I'll be happy to be wrong but the more I think about this the more I'd rather hand the spot to jungemann or wilkerson and see what they got. By all accounts this dude is, upwards of 95% likelihood, toast. Feels like a ham sandwich to the casual fans while being milone again.

[JosephC]

I dunno on this signing bringing impact to the 25man. I'd guess bullpen/swingman job, but not a full time starting position in the rotation. If the signing is more than 2.5mil, this is a terrible move. Gallardo hasn't been good for awhile now. You knew he was going downhill before leaving Milwaukee. Hes shown what downhill is. In no way do I think a "guy" can tweak him and fix him to be a positive SP. Bullpen it has to be, or just some ticket selling in Spring for comeback home feel. Wasnt it Capuano a few years back?

 

At first I thought he would be put in the rotation for sure, but am now questioning that after taking a further look at the numbers.

 

Granted, extremely small sample size, but last year when used as a reliever Gallardo posted the following:

6 appearances, 16 innings pitched, 9 hits, 3 earned runs, 0 home runs allowed, 7 walks, 10 strikeouts, 1.00 WHIP, 1.69 ERA

Opposition slash line = .164/.258/.255/.513

 

Interesting thing is that the overall numbers don't indicate that Gallardo was successful early in starts and faded as he got deeper into games. When looking at all of his appearances, the opposition slash line for Gallardo during pitches 1-15 of an appearance (both as a starter and reliever) was .299/.374/.535/.909. So it's not like he was successful early in his starts and faded early, where he might represent a safer projection to a relief role.

 

Have to think that the small sample size during those relief appearances played a part in this signing. There are just no other numbers that indicate Gallardo should be getting a major league deal.

[KCBrewerfan34]

It wouldn't surprise me if they gave Gallardo 6 or 7 million.

 

 

Zero to NO chance my friend.

[Patrick425]

I'm getting really damn sick and tired of reading about people hoping to tank in 2018. Stop thinking like this team lost 100 games last season.

 

Don't you get it? If we play to win now, we may forfeit our chance to win in 2022. Also, never, even if you are in playoff contention and you have a definite need at a certain position, trade a player who may be a productive MLB player 4 years from now for a player who is currently a productive MLB player.

[Outlander]

Stealth tank. Got no problem with it either.

 

Agreed on both points. Drafting 19th with the associated pool money does not help bring in those 60 grade players.

 

 

I'm getting really damn sick and tired of reading about people hoping to tank in 2018. Stop thinking like this team lost 100 games last season.

Well at some point you have to look to see what the Brewers have done to get better. Signing Gallardo as a single transaction isn't anything to get worked up about but considering they have not done anything else there is no indication they will be improving. If they stand pat, especially in the pitching department, they will most likely be worse just on the fact that Nelson won't be back for months if at all in 2018.