Anyone else losing their patience?

[pacopete4]

As a Brewers fan, if you haven't lost your patience already, when will you? This team has done nothing but lose.

 

 

I'm talking about actually winning. Getting to the postseason more than four times would be great. And eventually actually winning a World Series. I get being happy with last season, I am. But to pretend like Brewers fans should just be alright with how things have gone over the course of the franchise is just nuts to me.

 

I don't think anyone is "alright" with only 4 post-season appearances and no WS title. Not sure where that notion is coming from, I don't get that impression from anyone here.

 

In fact, this is exactly why some of us don't want to make the same mistakes that led to this dismal history. Stearns is building a team that can contend consistently, and win at least one WS. He is not perfect, but they are definitely marching in the right direction.

 

My quote directly relates to the title of the thread. I'm not sure how anyone has the patience for this franchise anymore. That should have gone out the window decades ago. I'm not advocating for selling off everyone and trying to win a World Series this season but I have no more patience for being a minor league club to the rest of the big league teams. I'm good with Stearns. I think he's done a fine job so far. But that doesn't mean I have any more patience for excuses and more losing.

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea, I get that. Sometimes it feels like there's nothing the Brewers can do to compete with the big boys. But I haven't lost patience. I mean, I may as well not even be a fan if I have no patience or hope this team can be a true contender in the future.

[pacopete4]

Yea, I get that. Sometimes it feels like there's nothing the Brewers can do to compete with the big boys. But I haven't lost patience. I mean, I may as well not even be a fan if I have no patience or hope this team can be a true contender in the future.

 

For sure. I discuss this with friends of large market teams all the time that just don't get it. Any mistake that the Brewers make is amplified because the resources of the MLB is nowhere close to equal. I'm not blind to that at all. It's why Stearns approach is probably for the best. But I just want to win. I want to stop being a doormat to other franchises. I think the people of Wisconsin would go crazy if we figured out a way to win one and contend for awhile.

[KeithStone53151]

Yea, I get that. Sometimes it feels like there's nothing the Brewers can do to compete with the big boys. But I haven't lost patience. I mean, I may as well not even be a fan if I have no patience or hope this team can be a true contender in the future.

 

For sure. I discuss this with friends of large market teams all the time that just don't get it. Any mistake that the Brewers make is amplified because the resources of the MLB is nowhere close to equal. I'm not blind to that at all. It's why Stearns approach is probably for the best. But I just want to win. I want to stop being a doormat to other franchises. I think the people of Wisconsin would go crazy if we figured out a way to win one and contend for awhile.

 

I get so aggravated when I see these national sportswriters go on facebook/twitter and say a salary cap wouldn't help with competitive balance, it would just help greedy owners pocket extra money. I mean, are they just that stupid? Don't they find it a bit strange that only a handful of teams sign all the best free agents every year? And until recently ended up with the best international free agents and prospects? Do they wonder why the yankees/dodgers/red sox/cubs/etc are consistently in the playoffs while most of the small markets can go extended stretches of time without making the playoffs?

 

I know I strayed a bit off topic, but the big market advantage is frustrating enough...I don't want to see national sportswriters trying to say it isn't an advantage.

[liveforoctober]

As a Brewers fan, if you haven't lost your patience already, when will you? This team has done nothing but lose.

 

I guess I don't understand either. Should we blame David Stearns for our lack of success in the late 90's when Stearns was 12-13 years old?

 

Generally speaking, sure we can be tired of 30+ years of a lot of nothing as fans.... but that has nothing to do with our current GM or current situation and using that as a base for being upset for not going after a free agent(s), if you are implying that, is kind of silly I think. If you are not implying that, then this is the wrong forum for that thought. This is a rumor and proposal board. General venting should be done elsewhere.

[pacopete4]

As a Brewers fan, if you haven't lost your patience already, when will you? This team has done nothing but lose.

 

I guess I don't understand either. Should we blame David Stearns for our lack of success in the late 90's when Stearns was 12-13 years old?

 

Generally speaking, sure we can be tired of 30+ years of a lot of nothing as fans.... but that has nothing to do with our current GM or current situation and using that as a base for being upset for not going after a free agent(s), if you are implying that, is kind of silly I think. If you are not implying that, then this is the wrong forum for that thought. This is a rumor and proposal board. General venting should be done elsewhere.

 

It was just a simple answer to the question that is titled in the thread. If you don't care for it, move on. Amazing what we get hung up on around here. I've already stated that I am good with Stearns and his approach but that doesn't mean I have a bunch of patience for losing. Those ideas can live within the same world.

[TooLiveBrew]

As a Brewers fan, if you haven't lost your patience already, when will you? This team has done nothing but lose.

 

I guess I don't understand either. Should we blame David Stearns for our lack of success in the late 90's when Stearns was 12-13 years old?

 

Generally speaking, sure we can be tired of 30+ years of a lot of nothing as fans.... but that has nothing to do with our current GM or current situation and using that as a base for being upset for not going after a free agent(s), if you are implying that, is kind of silly I think. If you are not implying that, then this is the wrong forum for that thought. This is a rumor and proposal board. General venting should be done elsewhere.

I think the discussion here fits ok. I get your point though.

 

We used to have dedicated venting threads in the MLB forum, and they inevitably always went poorly, some iterations quicker than others.

 

Since, as a community, BF decided to not do the dedicated vent thread thing anymore, I don't see a problem with this thread. The discussion has been civil, and there's really not a significantly better place for this topic to live -- since it's about being impatient or patient about the number of moves this offseason.

 

Maybe other mods feel differently, and I hope they chime in if they do. I think this discussion is in the right forum, & not straying anywhere near the levels of toxicity we'd see in the dedicated vent threads.

[pacopete4]

Yea, I get that. Sometimes it feels like there's nothing the Brewers can do to compete with the big boys. But I haven't lost patience. I mean, I may as well not even be a fan if I have no patience or hope this team can be a true contender in the future.

 

For sure. I discuss this with friends of large market teams all the time that just don't get it. Any mistake that the Brewers make is amplified because the resources of the MLB is nowhere close to equal. I'm not blind to that at all. It's why Stearns approach is probably for the best. But I just want to win. I want to stop being a doormat to other franchises. I think the people of Wisconsin would go crazy if we figured out a way to win one and contend for awhile.

 

I get so aggravated when I see these national sportswriters go on facebook/twitter and say a salary cap wouldn't help with competitive balance, it would just help greedy owners pocket extra money. I mean, are they just that stupid? Don't they find it a bit strange that only a handful of teams sign all the best free agents every year? And until recently ended up with the best international free agents and prospects? Do they wonder why the yankees/dodgers/red sox/cubs/etc are consistently in the playoffs while most of the small markets can go extended stretches of time without making the playoffs?

 

I know I strayed a bit off topic, but the big market advantage is frustrating enough...I don't want to see national sportswriters trying to say it isn't an advantage.

 

Yeah its a mixture of that and the fact that they just don't care. I bet they hate when a small market team does well. They want to be in those bigger cities, covering those big names. They don't want to be in Milwaukee talking about how much beer Wisconsin residents consume on a daily average. lol

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Personally, I think that the topic subject should be a jumping off point as it relates to the moves the team has made in this particular offseason. Overall I like the direction that Stearns is taking the club. That doesn't mean I'm not a little frustrated with the lack of activity so far, though. Maybe I'm an eternal optimist, but I don't think the Brewers played too far above their heads last year. There is quite a bit of genuine talent on this squad, and they really aren't too many pieces away from being a contender. It all starts in the rotation, and while losing Nelson for a chunk of the year is a big blow, if Anderson and Davies are what their numbers indicated they were last year, the rotation will be solid.

[liveforoctober]

As a Brewers fan, if you haven't lost your patience already, when will you? This team has done nothing but lose.

 

I guess I don't understand either. Should we blame David Stearns for our lack of success in the late 90's when Stearns was 12-13 years old?

 

Generally speaking, sure we can be tired of 30+ years of a lot of nothing as fans.... but that has nothing to do with our current GM or current situation and using that as a base for being upset for not going after a free agent(s), if you are implying that, is kind of silly I think. If you are not implying that, then this is the wrong forum for that thought. This is a rumor and proposal board. General venting should be done elsewhere.

 

It was just a simple answer to the question that is titled in the thread. If you don't care for it, move on. Amazing what we get hung up on around here. I've already stated that I am good with Stearns and his approach but that doesn't mean I have a bunch of patience for losing. Those ideas can live within the same world.

 

I'm not mad at you man, but you are allowed to have an opinion on something but I have to move on and not give my own?

 

Super great. Thanks!

[pacopete4]

 

I guess I don't understand either. Should we blame David Stearns for our lack of success in the late 90's when Stearns was 12-13 years old?

 

Generally speaking, sure we can be tired of 30+ years of a lot of nothing as fans.... but that has nothing to do with our current GM or current situation and using that as a base for being upset for not going after a free agent(s), if you are implying that, is kind of silly I think. If you are not implying that, then this is the wrong forum for that thought. This is a rumor and proposal board. General venting should be done elsewhere.

 

It was just a simple answer to the question that is titled in the thread. If you don't care for it, move on. Amazing what we get hung up on around here. I've already stated that I am good with Stearns and his approach but that doesn't mean I have a bunch of patience for losing. Those ideas can live within the same world.

 

I'm not mad at you man, but you are allowed to have an opinion on something but I have to move on and not give my own?

 

Super great. Thanks!

 

The tone of the bolded part came off that way to me. Felt as though you were trying to curb my thoughts on the topic of this thread by telling me they didn't belong here. If you weren't, no harm, no foul. All opinions are welcome, that was the point of the response back to you.

[Lathund]

More activity would've been fun, but I'm not losing my patience. It seems to me that DS is all about value, and won't pay more than what he thinks any player is worth. It means missing out on some targets, some of which would have turned out to be worth the money, and some who won't. But overall I think it's a good approach to take for a small-market team. But it's also a very long-term approach that'll only see incremental gains. I like it though; leave the risky free agent signings and blockbuster trades to when you have a genuinely competitive roster that just needs strengthening in a couple of positions. In the mean time acquire major league depth with upside (Like a Chase Anderson) and restock the minor league system. Always be on the lookout for undervalued talent.

[brewerfan82]

I'm getting antsy for something to happen just from a pure entertainment standpoint, but I wouldn't say I'm losing my patience in terms of how DS has approached the offseason yet.

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/freeagents/_/type/ranked

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-free-agent-tracker-2017-18-latest-hot-stove-signings-best-players-available/

 

Only 13 of the top 50 ranked FAs have signed (according to ESPN or 18 of 50 according to CBS) and there are countless guys on the trade market that are going to get moved still. There are a LOT of moves to be made still this offseason. Looks like it's going to be a busy January.

[MNBrew]

As a Brewers fan, if you haven't lost your patience already, when will you? This team has done nothing but lose.

 

They just outperformed their PECOTA projection by ten games and missed the playoffs by a game. What are you talking about?

^^Agreed. Not win the World Series, yes. But "nothing but lose?" That's simply not correct.

 

Not being a consistent, regular contender gets old. The winning record they've had in 6 of the past 11 years is a real thing, and even though it's at all like making the playoffs with regularity, it's surely much better than the 12 straight years of losing records from 1993-2004.

[Humans Need Water]

As a Brewers fan, if you haven't lost your patience already, when will you? This team has done nothing but lose. We can talk about staying on course with the plan and yada-yada-yada. It's all great and hope it works out but patience? Meh, that went out the window a long time ago.

Never. What this team accomplishes or doesn't accomplish doesn't affect my life in any way, shape or form. And this is coming from someone who interned there and had season tix for like 7yrs (I'll be signing back up in 2019 as well).

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm getting a bit antsy about re-signing Walker, adding more quality to the pen and they still have some extraneous pieces they need to move, but at least they've added rotation options. So if upgrades present themselves anywhere, that's great. It looks as if Stearns is in opportunistic mode and he'll wait until Walker agrees to 2 years instead of his desired 3 or 4. He has until the season starts though so no need to panic.

[reillymcshane]

A source I have says that the Brewers have been targeting higher end starting pitching thus far - and have made several offers - but nothing has come together yet.

 

The market is waiting on Darvish, who is generally regarded as the best starter out there. Once Darvish picks a team, you'll start to see other guys start to come off the board.

 

Milwaukee is pursuing high-end pitching both in the FA market - and via trade. Whether anything comes to fruition is another thing - but the Brewers are being patient.

 

I do not know if the Chacin deal affects our pursuit of other pitchers - but I doubt it.

[wallus]

A source I have says that the Brewers have been targeting higher end starting pitching thus far - and have made several offers - but nothing has come together yet.

 

The market is waiting on Darvish, who is generally regarded as the best starter out there. Once Darvish picks a team, you'll start to see other guys start to come off the board.

 

Milwaukee is pursuing high-end pitching both in the FA market - and via trade. Whether anything comes to fruition is another thing - but the Brewers are being patient.

 

I do not know if the Chacin deal affects our pursuit of other pitchers - but I doubt it.

 

Are the Brewers not in on Darvish at all?

[reillymcshane]

A source I have says that the Brewers have been targeting higher end starting pitching thus far - and have made several offers - but nothing has come together yet.

 

The market is waiting on Darvish, who is generally regarded as the best starter out there. Once Darvish picks a team, you'll start to see other guys start to come off the board.

 

Milwaukee is pursuing high-end pitching both in the FA market - and via trade. Whether anything comes to fruition is another thing - but the Brewers are being patient.

 

I do not know if the Chacin deal affects our pursuit of other pitchers - but I doubt it.

 

Are the Brewers not in on Darvish at all?

My source didn't say yes or no about Darvish - but it sounds like he is going to get upwards of $30M a year - and that might just be too rich. Again, I won't say no, but it didn't seem like there was much buzz about him.

 

Should add that the Brewers are playing things very, very close to the vest (as are a lot of other teams). No one wants to appear to be desperate - and no team wants to build up expectations and then get shot down.

[TJseven7]

Patience restored with Chacin. Could be a savvy pick up if their numbers can sort him out with lefties. If a few more of these trickle in Ill be happy.

[MNBrew]

^^ In Derek Johnson I trust.

[dlk9s]

Grunch:

 

No.

[Eye Black]

A source I have says that the Brewers have been targeting higher end starting pitching thus far - and have made several offers - but nothing has come together yet.

 

The market is waiting on Darvish, who is generally regarded as the best starter out there. Once Darvish picks a team, you'll start to see other guys start to come off the board.

 

Milwaukee is pursuing high-end pitching both in the FA market - and via trade. Whether anything comes to fruition is another thing - but the Brewers are being patient.

 

I do not know if the Chacin deal affects our pursuit of other pitchers - but I doubt it.

The one thing I appreciate about the Brewers current front office is they aren’t going to make moves just for the sake of making a big splash. They seem very calculated in their approach, and when they do make a move I have no doubt it will fit with the overall plan to build towards longer term sustainable success. I’ll remain patient as long as I believe they are exercising due diligence on all of the various FA and trade options, and I believe they are doing that currently.

 

Regarding high-end pitching, one thing that sometimes gets forgotten is that the Brewers were on the doorstep to acquiring Quintana and by some reports may have had the best offer on the table until the Cubs came in late to the process with what the White Sox obviously felt was a better offer. If the proper value presents itself for a high-end starting pitcher I won’t be surprised to see the Brewers make a move.

[TJseven7]

Yea, I get that. Sometimes it feels like there's nothing the Brewers can do to compete with the big boys. But I haven't lost patience. I mean, I may as well not even be a fan if I have no patience or hope this team can be a true contender in the future.

 

For sure. I discuss this with friends of large market teams all the time that just don't get it. Any mistake that the Brewers make is amplified because the resources of the MLB is nowhere close to equal. I'm not blind to that at all. It's why Stearns approach is probably for the best. But I just want to win. I want to stop being a doormat to other franchises. I think the people of Wisconsin would go crazy if we figured out a way to win one and contend for awhile.

 

I get so aggravated when I see these national sportswriters go on facebook/twitter and say a salary cap wouldn't help with competitive balance, it would just help greedy owners pocket extra money. I mean, are they just that stupid? Don't they find it a bit strange that only a handful of teams sign all the best free agents every year? And until recently ended up with the best international free agents and prospects? Do they wonder why the yankees/dodgers/red sox/cubs/etc are consistently in the playoffs while most of the small markets can go extended stretches of time without making the playoffs?

 

I know I strayed a bit off topic, but the big market advantage is frustrating enough...I don't want to see national sportswriters trying to say it isn't an advantage.

 

The international talent was always where my head spun in regards to this baseball uncapped stuff. You can run baseball uncapped, it surely benefits the big markets but it can be overcome... unless you do that AND let teams buy a way around the draft. Buy tons of big contracts, check. Trade our farm for more talent, check. Buy a new farm?????? Wait what? Buy expensive talent ok... that I get. Pay big bonuses to buy cheap controlable talent too... oh no no no no. I'm stunned some small market didnt min cap their team 2 years and buy international talent for their farm instead. Draft high and get a deep farm system fast... granted the big markets would probably have priced them out if they saw them try.

 

Its great that's changing because that was a big big problem.

[NievesNoNO]

Yea, I get that. Sometimes it feels like there's nothing the Brewers can do to compete with the big boys. But I haven't lost patience. I mean, I may as well not even be a fan if I have no patience or hope this team can be a true contender in the future.

 

For sure. I discuss this with friends of large market teams all the time that just don't get it. Any mistake that the Brewers make is amplified because the resources of the MLB is nowhere close to equal. I'm not blind to that at all. It's why Stearns approach is probably for the best. But I just want to win. I want to stop being a doormat to other franchises. I think the people of Wisconsin would go crazy if we figured out a way to win one and contend for awhile.

 

I get where you're coming from. Things could be evened out a bit more. I used to be all for some sort of salary cap to even things out, however I don't feel that way anymore. Any sort of cap would assuredly come with some sort of salary floor and I hate the way that plays out in the NBA and NFL.