Zack Greinke

[ewitkows]

Rangers are talking to the Dbacks about Grienke, his deal is 4 years at with about 135 milion left. If the dback covered 35 mil and took a couple of flyers, this could be a decent deal. He's a couple of years older than Jake but we know him and he has a longer track record of being an ace. 4 years at $25 mil isn't going to cripple us .

[TURBO]

If this meant we'd be out on Arrieta, YES please! However, this would involve sending them some of our top prospects, right? Then I'd have to pass.

[ewitkows]

AZ wants to get out of the contract. I see this like the Stanton contract. Maybe Villar and a low A pitcher

[wallus]

A quick yes if it is mainly a salary dump. These are the kind of moves we should make to improve the team.

[Invader3K]

I'd be all for it, especially if Stearns doesn't have to give up a lot in return.

[CheezWizHed]

AZ wants to get out of the contract. I see this like the Stanton contract. Maybe Villar and a low A pitcher

 

Come on Jeter get it done!

[pacopete4]

If we could get the Dbacks to include money let’s say enough to make it so we are paying $20-25 per year, I’d be okay with the move. He’s been good for so long and we know he’s a fit in Milwaukee.

[TURBO]

Greinke being 34, means we get him in his 38 season? hmmm, that doesn't sound to thrilling...

[reillymcshane]

I'm guessing this is all a big non-story. Arizona won 90+ games last year. Their team is returning - mostly - intact (JD Martinez is the biggest lose). Their window to win is the next two years - the timeframe they have Goldschmidt under control. Greinke is a legitimate top-of-the-rotation arm. Unloading him would be a huge blow this team, competitively. If they dealt Greinke, they would be forced to move Archie Bradley to the rotation - or rely on a young arm like Anthony Banda or Brandon Shipley. I guess we can't forget about Shelby Miller - but who knows when he'll be back. But non of those guys is a sure thing.

 

On the flip side, perhaps the financial situation is a lot more dire in AZ than anyone realizes. They have a projected payroll of about $120M - their highest ever. But if that's the issue, they were idiots for signing Greinke in the first place as they knew this day would come sooner than later.

 

In the end, Greinke is too good of a player - and the DBacks are too good of a team to unload him.

[CheezWizHed]

If Phoenix can't support a $120M payroll with a team that is winning 90+ games, they have a bigger problem...

[JohnBriggs12]

AZ wants to get out of the contract. I see this like the Stanton contract. Maybe Villar and a low A pitcher

 

Well Villar doesn't have close to the value of Starlin Castro, so that's not a similar offer to the one for Stanton.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm guessing this is all a big non-story. Arizona won 90+ games last year. Their team is returning - mostly - intact (JD Martinez is the biggest lose). Their window to win is the next two years - the timeframe they have Goldschmidt under control. Greinke is a legitimate top-of-the-rotation arm. Unloading him would be a huge blow this team, competitively. If they dealt Greinke, they would be forced to move Archie Bradley to the rotation - or rely on a young arm like Anthony Banda or Brandon Shipley. I guess we can't forget about Shelby Miller - but who knows when he'll be back. But non of those guys is a sure thing.

 

On the flip side, perhaps the financial situation is a lot more dire in AZ than anyone realizes. They have a projected payroll of about $120M - their highest ever. But if that's the issue, they were idiots for signing Greinke in the first place as they knew this day would come sooner than later.

 

In the end, Greinke is too good of a player - and the DBacks are too good of a team to unload him.

 

They drew just 2,134,375 despite winning 93 games. That was 11th among the NL. It's not unlike the franchises in Florida. A lot of people in the area have allegiances to other teams.

[homer]

DBacks are trying to get a new stadium...to replace the one that opened less than 20 years ago.

[Humans Need Water]

AZ wants to get out of the contract. I see this like the Stanton contract. Maybe Villar and a low A pitcher

 

Well Villar doesn't have close to the value of Starlin Castro, so that's not a similar offer to the one for Stanton.

Why would it need to be similar to the Stanton offer? Stanton had 10/295 remaining and Greinke has 4/138 - they're both getting paid an absurd amount annually but Greinke is only 4yrs and if someone takes on the full dollar amount it's still 6yrs less and half the cost of Stanton.

 

You overestimate Castro's value. His 2013/2015 seasons were 2017 Villar. 2016 he was still below average. His past 5yrs he's been highly inconsistent. Villar's 2016 was also better than anything Castro's done in his career.

[JohnBriggs12]

AZ wants to get out of the contract. I see this like the Stanton contract. Maybe Villar and a low A pitcher

 

Well Villar doesn't have close to the value of Starlin Castro, so that's not a similar offer to the one for Stanton.

Why would it need to be similar to the Stanton offer? Stanton had 10/295 remaining and Greinke has 4/138 - they're both getting paid an absurd amount annually but Greinke is only 4yrs and if someone takes on the full dollar amount it's still 6yrs less and half the cost of Stanton.

 

You overestimate Castro's value. His 2013/2015 seasons were 2017 Villar. 2016 he was still below average. His past 5yrs he's been highly inconsistent. Villar's 2016 was also better than anything Castro's done in his career.

 

Castro's worst year (2015) was better than all but one year of Villar's career. Villar is coming off a 0.1 WAR season. Castro is coming off a 2.0 WAR season. Castro is also just a year older.

[Warning Track Power]

DBacks are trying to get a new stadium...to replace the one that opened less than 20 years ago.

Just like the Texas Rangers. Unbelievable the shelf life on these two stadiums.

 

Back on topic, I have no interest in Greinke. Personal opinion of him is exceptionally low. Appears to be a total knob and I have no use for him at his age and that salary.

[Humans Need Water]

Well Villar doesn't have close to the value of Starlin Castro, so that's not a similar offer to the one for Stanton.

Why would it need to be similar to the Stanton offer? Stanton had 10/295 remaining and Greinke has 4/138 - they're both getting paid an absurd amount annually but Greinke is only 4yrs and if someone takes on the full dollar amount it's still 6yrs less and half the cost of Stanton.

 

You overestimate Castro's value. His 2013/2015 seasons were 2017 Villar. 2016 he was still below average. His past 5yrs he's been highly inconsistent. Villar's 2016 was also better than anything Castro's done in his career.

 

Castro's worst year (2015) was better than all but one year of Villar's career. Villar is coming off a 0.1 WAR season. Castro is coming off a 2.0 WAR season. Castro is also just a year older.

Villar's career? You mean 2 full seasons (2016/2017)? Everything prior is like speaking about Phillips in terms of what he's done in his *career*. And 2015 wasn't even Castro's worst season - it was 2013. And if you want to include Villar's pre-2016 minimal work then his 2015 was also better than 6 of Castro's 8 seasons with his 2016 being better than all Castro's seasons. Not to mention Villar has 3yrs arby control while Castro is owed 21M next 2yrs + 16M option (1M buyout). It's easy to argue against Villar not having anywhere near Castro's value when you start looking at other variables that impact the final opinion.

 

Good to know that only 2017 matters when comparing players. Castro's 2013, 2015, 2016 were between awful and below average. That's 2 of the past 3yrs and 3 of the past 5yrs - all as a full time player.

 

I don't think Stearns is looking at Greinke anyway given his age and the dollar amount but Villar could be part of the deal a la Stanton/Castro if people are comparing it.

 

And I stand corrected on their age difference as I peaked at their current age and not bdays - Castro is 14 months older than Villar