Jake Arrieta

[TJseven7]

You want an owner deciding a players salary? Sounds like the type of thing that would make boras' career what its become.

[adambr2]

You want an owner deciding a players salary? Sounds like the type of thing that would make boras' career what its become.

 

I get what Brew is saying. Perhaps Stearns has told Mark A. that Arrieta is a guy they want if they can fit it into their budget. Mark A. is the one writing the checks, so at the end of the day he has to be comfortable with the contract. So it could just be a matter of Mark A. and Boras exchanging figures.

[TJseven7]

You want an owner deciding a players salary? Sounds like the type of thing that would make boras' career what its become.

 

I get what Brew is saying. Perhaps Stearns has told Mark A. that Arrieta is a guy they want if they can fit it into their budget. Mark A. is the one writing the checks, so at the end of the day he has to be comfortable with the contract. So it could just be a matter of Mark A. and Boras exchanging figures.

 

If Stearns has said he wants arrieta it also comes with a certain price tag involved and length. I dont see what mark and boras need to talk about. Mark trusts his gm and signs off on it within projected budget or mark doesn't.

 

There's really no reason for the owner to speak to the agent. He won't know the cap plans of the gm the same way as the gm does. He doesn't know a players worth the same way a gm does. He has no part in deciding how its spent. Just what is spent over however long.

 

If they aren't talking about golf or hobbies I have no idea what Mark us doing talking to him at all.

[pacopete4]

I’m really not sure why it’s so far fetched for an owner to be in tune with their budget and personal salary cap. I would think they would be all over that type of information. Also wouldn’t shock me if Mark is more in tune with players worth as he might be in more contact with Stearns than most think. Nothing wrong with that as long as he trusts Stearns when he gets an answer on a player. Arrieta could be that situation.

 

Could even be something like Boras calls and says give me $125 for five years and Mark says let me discuss it with my GM and get back to you.

[MNBrew]

TJseven7, for the last couple pages, you keep rehashing the same points over and over. The dead horse has been thoroughly beaten. You're emphatic and passionate about Mark A. forever staying out of any discussions with an agent and how you think any team's negotiation with an FA's agent should work in terms of the personnel involved in the process. Your logic makes some sense. The strength of your convictions is admirable (no, I'm not being facetious).

 

However, it's also possible that there are more angles and more to the whole picture than what you -- or any of us -- know about, potentially making our impressions and feelings on the topic anywhere from naive to moot to illogical since the basis of our opinions may be woefully incomplete.

 

On the topic of ownership involvement in FA negotiations, I wonder if anyone here has written a letter to Mark A. on the topic -- or had a chance to ask him directly -- and, if so, how he's responded. And I wonder if the answer would be any different from what any other team's principal owner might say.

[bylo tesi me]

If I were thinking of shelling out guaranteed 6 figure Dollar amounts to anyone, I would want to speak to not only said persons agent, but probably said person directly as well.

 

a bizarre thing for me to state, as the most I could probably afford to offer is a few hundred bucks.

 

I mean, Does Arrieta even want to pitch for the Brewers, Something I would want to know before making such a commitment

[tigerbrew]

Boras going over GM Stearns to talk directly to the owner Mark A, probably means that Stearns is a very tough negotiator. That makes me much more confident with Stearns ability to negotiate contracts with agents to get the best deals for the Brewers.

[82brewcrew82]

Boras going over GM Stearns to talk directly to the owner Mark A, probably means that Stearns is a very tough negotiator. That makes me much more confident with Stearns ability to negotiate contracts with agents to get the best deals for the Brewers.

It would also say there isn't much of a market for Arietta.

[NOMAAM]

Boras going over GM Stearns to talk directly to the owner Mark A, probably means that Stearns is a very tough negotiator. That makes me much more confident with Stearns ability to negotiate contracts with agents to get the best deals for the Brewers.

It would also say there isn't much of a market for Arietta.

I'm guessing 3 yrs guaranteed with two vesting options is the best he can get. But Boras seems to usually find a way.

[tigerbrew]

Boras going over GM Stearns to talk directly to the owner Mark A, probably means that Stearns is a very tough negotiator. That makes me much more confident with Stearns ability to negotiate contracts with agents to get the best deals for the Brewers.

It would also say there isn't much of a market for Arietta.

 

Agree, there's not much of a market for Arietta. I think the few possibly interested teams only want short term deals. So the Brewers are in a great negotiating position, I hope Stearns can negoitate a 2 or 3 year deal at 20M AAV.

[bluescale]

Agree, there's not much of a market for Arietta. I think the few possibly interested teams only want short term deals. So the Brewers are in a great negotiating position, I hope Stearns can negoitate a 2 or 3 year deal at 20M AAV.

 

If the Brewers sign Arrieta to such a short contract for such a low AAV, I'll eat my hat. In fact, I'll eat every hat in the house.

[brewmann04]

Sign Cobb to a 4 year deal and Arrieta on a short term would be great .

[3and2Fastball]

I really wonder if Arrieta will hold off on signing until well into the season, as has been hinted at in the media. I am struggling to think of another Baseball player of Arrieta's caliber who has done that in recent memory.

 

The reality is, there will be a pitcher on a top team that will get injured in April or May. It happens every year. Being able to sign Arrieta when your TOR goes down is quite the luxury, quite the insurance. The Brewers would be foolish to think that eventually Boras/Arrieta will cave because the Brewers are "the only team left standing".

[Mr Southpaw]

That is why you have to be comfortable with him signing elsewhere.

[Warning Track Power]

https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-baseball-picking-jake-arrieta-new-team/

 

Sure does seem Arrieta would sign a 5 year $125 million if it were offered. I imagine the Brewers are somewhere around the 5 years $100 million they offered Braun, Fielder, Greinke, etc... I would go to 5 years $110-$115 million but that's just me.

[JohnBriggs12]

Who is ilitch... sorry!

 

Tigers former owner who recently passed away. I can't think of an owner more massively involved in FA signings in recent memory. Great owner though.

 

I think it is rather irrelevant though. The names being listed are really extreme examples I think all owners can become involved sometimes. Attanasio didn't seem to be involved in the Cain signing nor trading for Yelich. Deep breath everyone.

 

Ilitch was well into his 80's and bidding against himself he signed Prince Fielder when it appeared Prince's market was a bit soft. Ilitch's days on earth were numbered. He didn't outlive Fielder's contract and that's the point. He wanted a championship before he died. Attanasio is 60. He's got a few years.

[tigerbrew]

https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-baseball-picking-jake-arrieta-new-team/

 

Sure does seem Arrieta would sign a 5 year $125 million if it were offered. I imagine the Brewers are somewhere around the 5 years $100 million they offered Braun, Fielder, Greinke, etc... I would go to 5 years $110-$115 million but that's just me.

 

I much prefer to follow the analytical evaluation than the crap “prestige” evaluation by Boras. "Prestige" is useless if he can't pitch like an ace. Boras, please be informed that "prestige" don't win championships, teams should only be paying $100M if they think he can pitch like an ace in most of the duration of the contract.

 

After reading the article, I think the Brewers should not offer Arrieta a $100M contract, the most I'd offer is 4/80.

[Warning Track Power]

https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-baseball-picking-jake-arrieta-new-team/

 

Sure does seem Arrieta would sign a 5 year $125 million if it were offered. I imagine the Brewers are somewhere around the 5 years $100 million they offered Braun, Fielder, Greinke, etc... I would go to 5 years $110-$115 million but that's just me.

 

I much prefer to follow the analytical evaluation than the crap “prestige” evaluation by Boras. "Prestige" is useless if he can't pitch like an ace. Boras, please be informed that "prestige" don't win championships, teams should only be paying $100M if they think he can pitch like an ace in most of the duration of the contract.

 

After reading the article, I think the Brewers should not offer Arrieta a $100M contract, the most I'd offer is 4/80.

I just see a very good lineup surrounded by what could be a very mediocre rotation. I am a believer in Anderson and Davies as a 2 & 3/4, Chacin as a 4/5 and Woodruff as someone who could be as good as Narveson was in 2011 in the 5 spot. However, there remains a large hole in the rotation right now and I am not willing to bet the season that Nelson will return in June as the Nelson of old. If the plan is to rely on Burnes or Peralta coming up midseason and being a pseudo-trade deadline acquisition, I think that is also a flawed plan.

 

I am in no way advocating a deal of the farm to acquire a TOR. However, I am advocating making some type of acquisition to ensure the Brewers fill out a competitive rotation in 2018.

[DR28]

Agreed, we need either Arrieta fronting our rotation or Cobb sliding in behind Chase.

[TJseven7]

If anderson Davies chacin and woodruff are truly 2-3-4-5 guys then adding 1 won't be enough. 2 (including nelson) wont be enough. Look at what a 2-5 actually does.

[brewmann04]

They really can't go into the season without either One or the other added to the rotation. The big thing is they can't count on Jimmy this season to be the guy he was last season.

[TJseven7]

Id be onboard with buying 1. I think payroll is the first move. That add anderson nelson davies woodruff chacin burnes decide if that's your group for a title team or if you are 1 all in young controlled arm away. If you don't have it inhouse after the fa add, or dont have 3 you believe in in a playoff series, you don't push the farm in for an addition.

[brewcrewdue80]

https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-baseball-picking-jake-arrieta-new-team/

 

Sure does seem Arrieta would sign a 5 year $125 million if it were offered. I imagine the Brewers are somewhere around the 5 years $100 million they offered Braun, Fielder, Greinke, etc... I would go to 5 years $110-$115 million but that's just me.

 

I much prefer to follow the analytical evaluation than the crap “prestige” evaluation by Boras. "Prestige" is useless if he can't pitch like an ace. Boras, please be informed that "prestige" don't win championships, teams should only be paying $100M if they think he can pitch like an ace in most of the duration of the contract.

 

After reading the article, I think the Brewers should not offer Arrieta a $100M contract, the most I'd offer is 4/80.

 

I've always been curious if you won't do 5/100mil (20mil aav) Then why do 20mil AAV and offer 1 year less? I feel like you are telling the player you will pay him 20mil per year and he's worth that. So to the Player why not hold out for the 5th year? All it takes is 1 to go that 5th year. If I were saying no to his 5/100 ask, I'd drop my offer to 4/74mil. 19/19/18/18.

We're not paying you 20mil a year for even 4 years. So why would we do 5?

 

You want a 5 year contract with an opt out after 2? 20/20- 17/15/15. You may want to accept that deal, while I'm still even giving you that option.

[mlloyd10]

2/45 opt out after yr 1

[jonescm128]

2/45 opt out after yr 1

 

I would go as high as 2/49. His last couple years have regressed quite a bit (although he did have a hamstring issue last year I believe) but I just wanna keep that draft pick