Jake Arrieta

[brewmann04]

Actually a tweet that I read that it not impossible to get Cobb and then jake on a one year deal

[MrTPlush]

Are we all forgetting what HH put on Twitter yesterday, that Cobb will be a Brewer?

 

He guaranteed it.

 

Is he signed yet?

 

Ok, moving on now.

 

By end of week.

 

Then just close the Cobb thread and start a signing one so we can talk about the 2018 rotation like he is in it. Everyone please stop posting here. We signed Cobb and it’s unrealistic to sign another starter. Also probably should lock trading for Archer etc. too.

 

I’m not going to talk like it has already happened. You can if you want, but that seems silly.

[TJseven7]

I love how no one seems to care arrieta is a 31 year old FB pitcher who just had a serious decline in velocity.

 

32-36... not a good idea.

 

But 30-34 on another option is met with talks of he's old and will decline.

 

Archer price absurd. Arrieta long term disaster in the making.

[MrTPlush]

Actually a lot of people care. A lot. Couple hundred posts worth.

[MoreTrife]

Actually a lot of people care. A lot. Couple hundred posts worth.

 

[TJseven7]

Actually a lot of people care. A lot. Couple hundred posts worth.

 

Yet... give me arrieta... just sign arrieta. Some people care, clearly others haven't the slightest worry.

[fondybrewfan]

Basically any signing at this point will carry risk. If Stearns has the payroll to do it I would just assume go with the highest upside guy in the near term and I think that is definitely Arrieta. I would give Arrieta the same deal Martinez just got; frontload the crap out of it.

 

But really I won't be upset either way if it is Cobb or Arrieta. If it is neither or Lynn I will be disappointed.

[MrTPlush]

Actually a lot of people care. A lot. Couple hundred posts worth.

 

Yet... give me arrieta... just sign arrieta. Some people care, clearly others haven't the slightest worry.

 

Well you said no one cared and I’d say this thread is pretty 50/50 on yes/no. With many of those yes answers very dependent on other factors. You seem to think 9/10 want Arrieta no concerns. I don’t even know if 10% of people in this thread are so blindly in love with Arrieta let alone “everyone”

[pacopete4]

Now we are debating who cares about topics. Good stuff. Just turn off the forums until opening day when the dust has settled and we are ready to start kicking some rear-end in the NL Central.

[Boomer5]

I love how no one seems to care arrieta is a 31 year old FB pitcher who just had a serious decline in velocity.

 

32-36... not a good idea.

 

But 30-34 on another option is met with talks of he's old and will decline.

 

Archer price absurd. Arrieta long term disaster in the making.

 

I care. A lot. None of these options are good options but the team is going all in now so what else is there to do? We aren't positioned to seriously challenge for a WS spot so they will absolutely be adding one or two SP and they will absolutely over pay to bring him or them on.

 

All come with severe risks with long term contracts or massive prospect costs.

 

My attitude is I will enjoy the ride in 2018 and possibly 2019 and I will worry about 2020 in 2020.

[TJseven7]

Basically any signing at this point will carry risk. If Stearns has the payroll to do it I would just assume go with the highest upside guy in the near term and I think that is definitely Arrieta. I would give Arrieta the same deal Martinez just got; frontload the crap out of it.

 

But really I won't be upset either way if it is Cobb or Arrieta. If it is neither or Lynn I will be disappointed.

 

Yeah I don't even believe the highest upside is Arrieta. That velocity stuff and huge innings load dampens that a lot. I started looking into the big 4 (admittedly not lynn as much) but I was of the opinion of Yu is the guy. More I've looked into it the worse Arrieta looked and the better Cobb looked.

[TooLiveBrew]

I've gone back and forth on just about every pitcher that has been mentioned. Ultimately all of them bring a decent amount of risk whether it be health, declining performance or cost. At this point, I think they end up doing nothing in terms of adding pitching. That may very well be the right move but I just can't square that with the other additions. They spent a lot of prospect equity and cash to make this a borderline WC2 team.

Same here.

 

And I'm actually okay with not making an addition prior to the season starting. Just like teams can have injuries that necessitate acquisitions, there can be injuries to key players that torpedo a campaign & make other talented teammates available on the trade market.

[Eye Black]

I didn’t see this posted yet, so I am going to just leave this Adam McCalvy Tweet here...

 

How often does Mark Attanasio hear from Scott Boras these days? Smiling, Attanasio said, “I hear from Scott.”

[tigerbrew]

I'd probably offer Arrieta this:

2018 - 25M

2019 - 25M (Player option)

2020 - 15M (Player option)

2021 - 15M

Total: 4/80M

 

Personally, I think Arrieta will out-perform Cobb for the next 2 seasons and that's why I prefer Arrieta.

[TJseven7]

I didn’t see this posted yet, so I am going to just leave this Adam McCalvy Tweet here...

 

How often does Mark Attanasio hear from Scott Boras these days? Smiling, Attanasio said, “I hear from Scott.”

 

Owners shouldn't talk to agents.

[pacopete4]

I didn’t see this posted yet, so I am going to just leave this Adam McCalvy Tweet here...

 

How often does Mark Attanasio hear from Scott Boras these days? Smiling, Attanasio said, “I hear from Scott.”

 

Owners shouldn't talk to agents.

Why? It’s their team.

[TJseven7]

They are stupid and get eaten up by agents who actually know their sport. Coaches don't draft... owners dont sign contracts. Gms are gms for a reason. Just because you made enough money to own a team doesn't make you qualified to run it... just like gms aren't qualified to do what made the owner rich.

 

You don't hire a chef then add ingredients into their recipe.

 

Meddling in any way is bad. Let the professional do his job.

[pacopete4]

That stuff is just so overblown. Marks money, his team. He hires a GM, that’s fine but he in the end is the one spending the money. He can do it however he wants to.

[MNBrew]

In a recent article I read (can't remember which, sorry) they mentioned how Boras, with his highest-end free agents, will often communicate directly with owners. With what we've seen from him in recent years, this is not surprising. It also points to three things:

 

1. Fact: Mark Attanasio is far from the only owner with whom Boras communicates directly.

 

2. Conjecture: Just because an agent communicates with the owner doesn't mean the GM isn't also a part of the discussions, whether with the owner outside of the agent's communications or alongside the owner in the midst of them.

 

3. Corollary to the Conjecture: Using Boras/Arrieta & the Brewers as an example.... It would seem completely normal within organizational processes, since the owner makes the final $$ decisions as related to the GM's final baseball personnel decisions, that if Mark A. were intrigued enough about signing Arrieta that he'd respond to Boras' calls, there's almost no way he would do so without Stearns' awareness -- if not outright approval -- of the move on a "baseball" level.

[MrTPlush]

I’m guessing Boras mostly communicates with owners to convince them they can afford it. If David Stearns didn’t want Arrieta we wouldn’t be involved.

 

I’m guessing these conversations are a full circle. Attanasio might sign off to sign Arrieta for X dollars, but Stearns might counter Attanasio asking what he is willing to do in future years for the overall payroll.

 

I don’t think Attanasio is involved like he was with Garza/Lohse. Not a twisting his GMs wrist type situation.

[TJseven7]

That stuff is just so overblown. Marks money, his team. He hires a GM, that’s fine but he in the end is the one spending the money. He can do it however he wants to.

 

It's his prerogative. He can do what he wants. But owners who meddle consistently lose and waste money.

 

And to plush... i don't disagree but if the owner wants to do it its hard for the gm to pass on it. He's your boss. But he's not at all qualified to be your boss in this odd scenerio known as sports. I like when GMs and their FO are left alone to do whats best. Frankly boras has no idea what we can afford. He wants us to spend. He doesn't care about our top dollar arby increases or future plans. He works for his client.

[pacopete4]

That stuff is just so overblown. Marks money, his team. He hires a GM, that’s fine but he in the end is the one spending the money. He can do it however he wants to.

 

It's his prerogative. He can do what he wants. But owners who meddle consistently lose and waste money.

 

And to plush... i don't disagree but if the owner wants to do it its hard for the gm to pass on it. He's your boss. But he's not at all qualified to be your boss in this odd scenerio known as sports. I like when GMs and their FO are left alone to do whats best.

 

Not true. There are plenty of examples through sports of owners who run it their way and meddle and win championships. You just don’t like it and that’s fine but your statement is false.

[TJseven7]

Who? Mark Cuban rode dirk to 1 title and has since destroyed the mavs. You think stienbrenner won because he meddled? There are many examples of non FO destroying franchises. Where are your success stories?

[anglotiger]

Who? Mark Cuban rode dirk to 1 title and has since destroyed the mavs. You think stienbrenner won because he meddled? There are many examples of non FO destroying franchises. Where are your success stories?

 

[sarcasm]Must be talking about Herb Kohl... oh... wait...[/sarcasm]

[TJseven7]

Who? Mark Cuban rode dirk to 1 title and has since destroyed the mavs. You think stienbrenner won because he meddled? There are many examples of non FO destroying franchises. Where are your success stories?

 

[sarcasm]Must be talking about Herb Kohl... oh... wait...[/sarcasm]

 

Or the current bucks owners. Prime examples. Bills owner is terrible. I spent a year out there and my god he's epic. Both bills and sabers. Browns owner siding with hue jackson after his analytics boys (which i fight in football because they are sooo raw) somehow built a stealth tank sleeping giant for dorsey to polish up. Basically he got hinkied... 76ers architect. Neoptism in sports teams and meddling owners is disastrous. Soo many examples of this.

 

Unless you build a business from the ground up and become a ceo along the way... you hire a genius in the industry smile and collect. Bucks owners business wise are KILLING IT... leave the basketball to the basketball ceo...ahem hire a basketball ceo. Mark A pr business great job... baseball isn't your jam. No fault in that. No one is great at everything. But you landed a genius. You already WON! You did your job! Walk away from the FO. State a number, or cap projection you can afford and walk away. Tons of business pr stuff for you to thrive at... and he does.

 

As far as being an owner... go to spring training, shake hands kiss babies waive your hat give interviews and have your gm report to you... and just listen. Enjoy it, but leave the baseball business alone.