Carlos Beltran retires

[reillymcshane]

Just saw that Beltran announced his retirement. Nice way to go out - winning a World Series - even if he struggled this past year.

 

Pretty amazing career numbers: 2725 hits, .279 BA, 435 HR, 312 SB, 69.8 bWAR. Rookie of the year award, WS ring, three gold gloves.

 

Career stats: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beltrca01.shtml

[pacopete4]

Surprised he didn't chase 3,000 hits but what a heck of a career he had.

[igor67]

Fun trivia question I do not know the answer to. How many players are still active that pre-date Brewerfan? or related how many predate the Power 50. It definitely feels like the end of an era of sorts.

[jerichoholicninja]

He has great career numbers and many seem to assume he's a Hall of Famer. But at any point in his career was he considered the best or near the best at his position? I don't think so and that to me isn't a Hall of Famer.

[Warning Track Power]

He has great career numbers and many seem to assume he's a Hall of Famer. But at any point in his career was he considered the best or near the best at his position? I don't think so and that to me isn't a Hall of Famer.

Agreed. Certainly the Hall of Very Close to Hall of Fame. Nine All-Stars, three Gold Gloves, two Silver Sluggers...but I just don't recall me thinking anything more of him than being a very good player. For comparison's sake, Ryan Braun has six All-Stars, five Silver Sluggers...and likely should have had at least one more ASG appearance and 1 Gold Glove.

 

I just don't see HOF with Beltran.

[MadThinker88]

Guys, I will agree that Beltran is not a 1st ballot HOF but I suspect he will be voted in at some point. His all around game and his incredible post season performances (overall higher post season numbers than regular season numbers) will be a factors. His candidacy will be a very good debate when the time comes.

 

I realize some will try to correlate if Beltran gets into the HOF so should Braun or Manny Ramirez. In Beltran's favor is his longevity & never having a suspension for PEDs (that I can recall).

[Baldkin]

He has great career numbers and many seem to assume he's a Hall of Famer. But at any point in his career was he considered the best or near the best at his position? I don't think so and that to me isn't a Hall of Famer.

 

He had an 8 year stretch where he put up 47 WAR between 2001-2008.

 

Even if he wasn't "anointed" as the best CF in baseball, he was absolutely that.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_CF.shtml

 

9th all time in JAWS for CFs.

8th all time in WAR.

 

The idea that he isn't a HOF... its just.... wow.

 

Jim Edmonds is the guy who is the maybe/maybe not debate, and he fell off the ballot in 1 season. The HoF committee hasn't yet come around to judging CF's against other CFs, instead of against LF/1B.

[Baldkin]

I realize some will try to correlate if Beltran gets into the HOF so should Braun or Manny Ramirez. In Beltran's favor is his longevity & never having a suspension for PEDs (that I can recall).

 

Manny and Beltran is actually a good comparison. Braun isn't even close to either one of them.

 

Manny is absolutely a HOF if the PED users start getting in. He's probably the one of the 5 best right handed hitters of the last 40 or so years.

 

Edit: Added spoiler tag, that graph is huge.

 

 

 

[DocLuna7]

He has great career numbers and many seem to assume he's a Hall of Famer. But at any point in his career was he considered the best or near the best at his position? I don't think so and that to me isn't a Hall of Famer.

 

I know it's not an exact science, but being a nine time All-Star has to mean he was considered as one of the best at his position by his peers during the years he played.

[Outlander]

I lot of these PED guys should be off the ballot by the time Beltran is eligible but I have my doubts he will be voted in. Not saying he doesn't deserve it but think it will be tough to get 75% support.

[liveforoctober]

Surprised he didn't chase 3,000 hits but what a heck of a career he had.

 

I thought that at first as well but being < 300 away he had AT LEAST 2 seasons to go and if the decline he felt this year was not an anomaly... like 3. Playing into your 43rd year is a lot to ask for most.

 

I know this isn't a stat and I'm not sure how it compares to others concerning HOF consideration ... but he did receive MVP votes is 7 of his 20 seasons (and 3 of his non years he was traded halfway through). I'd assume that is a gold star on the resume..

[StearnsFTW]

Yeah, he's a HOFer. Easily. Probably not first ballot, but he'd be on mine the first time around. Just a great all-around centerfielder.