Fire Dom Capers

[Samurai Bucky]

TED THOMPSON: EXPOSED!

Has there been a time when Aaron Rodgers was the QB when the Pack had a good defense?

[homer]

Packers have no pass rush. That puts a lot of pressure on the d back and if a QB gets hot like Stafford did last night it can make for an ugly outing. Ted hasn't put together a decent defense since the Super Bowl win. This is on him.

 

Capers had 3 years to pair Clay Matthews with one of the best pass rushers of all-time who is still one of the top sack leaders this year back at Carolina in his late 30s. Perry had 11 sacks last year and was kept. Daniels in prior years was one of the better pass rushing 3-4 ends in the league.

 

Regardless of who he's had Capers has still failed time and time again to field a successful defense.

 

They have had teams with a good pass rush. Unfortunately it was when they had awful defensive backs. And they've always had glacially slow linebackers who couldn't cover anyone. That's why tight ends typically have field days against GB.

[OnaBadger58]

I just feel that this team has enough peices on defense to be much better than where they are currently. With Daniels, Clark, Perry, Martinez, Burnett, HHCD,J. Jones, & King, our defense has players. Then you see players like Heyward, Hyde, and Peppers having great years after they've left. At some point the realization is they players are not the problem. It's either the schemes or the player development in Green Bay. This team has exhausted enough high picks where it's time have an understanding that the players are not the issue.

[pacopete4]

TED THOMPSON: EXPOSED!

Has there been a time when Aaron Rodgers was the QB when the Pack had a good defense?

 

2010: Capers' defense finished the season ranked 2nd in scoring defense, 5th in total defense, 2nd in interceptions, 2nd in sacks, and 1st in opposing quarterback passer rating, in spite of being decimated by injuries during the 2010 season.

 

2011: Capers lead a 5th ranked defensive squad and helped the Packers win the Super Bowl. During the playoff run his team had a pick 6 in the final 3 playoff games that year; Divisional Round (Williams), Championship game (Raji), and in Super Bowl 45 (Collins.)

[Fear The Chorizo]

With Daniels, Clark, Perry, Martinez, Burnett, HHCD,J. Jones, & King, our defense has players.

 

While I somewhat agree, I think it's a combination of everything - bad scheme, bad defensive personnel decisions, including drafting, and poor development. Of the players you mentioned, Perry and Burnett are constantly injured/dinged and it definitely affects their play. Martinez is a decent run defender but suffers and is picked on in pass coverage. Clark has promise, but he's not yet a difference maker in terms of pass rush...I think he's more Ryan Pickett than BJ Raji. Daniels can play, but he may still be hampered by that early season injury and he's getting long in the tooth for an interior lineman. HHCD is having a bad year and doesn't seem to have the ability to make plays on the ball or blow up a play based on instinct. King and Jones appear to have all the physical tools and ability you'd want at the positions they play, but I have concerns they won't fully develop if the coaching they receive is trash. The same could be said for Randall and Rollins midway through their rookie years, and look where they are now...

[adambr2]

I hope he's more Pickett than BJ Raji. Post 2010-Raji was not good at all. One of the most overrated players of the last decade.

[LouisEly]

I don't watch much of the Steelers but what has Watt done that is so special? I know he had a great first game but I haven't heard much about him since.

4th on the team in tackles, four sacks, an interception, and four passes defensed. The sacks and passes defensed would tie for the team lead with the Packers, the tackles would lead the Packers LBs (excluding Jones and Burnett) and no Packers LB has an interception. (For reference, King has two passes defensed and no interceptions.)

 

Pretty darned good for a rookie.

[DHonks]

I'm still amazed that MM is calling plays. Tom Clements statistically ran a more effective, more creative offense but got sacked for having a poor record. McCarthy is nothing special as a play caller, rather he needs Rodgers playing great to win. When Rodgers has had poor stretches, his lack of creativity has hurt the team. It's ridiculous how many plays were called on Monday night in which the primary receiver was to catch the ball behind the line of scrimmage. Every time an NFL opponent throws a WR screen, I thank them for giving away a down. Why did we attempt all sorts of quick plays designed to gain no more than 1 yard? They need to turn Hundley loose and let him attempt a quick passing attack rather than try to hide him.

[LouisEly]

Considering that the Packers have been consistently drafting at the end of the round (29, 27, 30, 21, 26, 28, 32) they have had good drafts. TT's epic failure has been the refusal to part with late round picks in in-season trades to shore up areas of weakness, especially when they have had plenty of salary cap room to take on contracts. Failure to trade for a CB last year, and in previous years a RB, DL, LB, etc.

 

To pass up on the next Kofi Amichia, Kyle Murphy, Christian Ringo, Kennard Backman, Demetri Goodson, etc., for the opportunity to trade for a veteran to shore up a weakness... inexcusable.

[DHonks]

The mid-round picks have hurt lately. Gone are the days of nailing players with multiple years at good-to-star level production in the middle of the draft. Thinking of so many receivers, linemen, etc.

[FVBrewerFan]

Considering that the Packers have been consistently drafting at the end of the round (29, 27, 30, 21, 26, 28, 32) they have had good drafts. TT's epic failure has been the refusal to part with late round picks in in-season trades to shore up areas of weakness, especially when they have had plenty of salary cap room to take on contracts. Failure to trade for a CB last year, and in previous years a RB, DL, LB, etc.

 

To pass up on the next Kofi Amichia, Kyle Murphy, Christian Ringo, Kennard Backman, Demetri Goodson, etc., for the opportunity to trade for a veteran to shore up a weakness... inexcusable.

 

Draft position is somewhat of a cop out. Not saying it's not a factor at all, but he could have traded up, traded back. It's not just the middle rounds, he's whiffed plenty in the 1st. I just don't think the 34 is in his DNA, and apparently not with some of their scouts.

[Samurai Bucky]

TED THOMPSON: EXPOSED!

Has there been a time when Aaron Rodgers was the QB when the Pack had a good defense?

 

2010: Capers' defense finished the season ranked 2nd in scoring defense, 5th in total defense, 2nd in interceptions, 2nd in sacks, and 1st in opposing quarterback passer rating, in spite of being decimated by injuries during the 2010 season.

 

2011: Capers lead a 5th ranked defensive squad and helped the Packers win the Super Bowl. During the playoff run his team had a pick 6 in the final 3 playoff games that year; Divisional Round (Williams), Championship game (Raji), and in Super Bowl 45 (Collins.)

 

Seems like a long time ago... Thanks for the list.

 

From what I have heard, some players think Capers' system is "antiquated." I'm not sure about that. IMHO, he doesn't have the talent. Ergo Ted Thompson is the primary reason.

[nodakfan17]

And while we're piling it on, does anyone really believe his natural hair color is jet black?

[bjkrautk]

I have been a Capers proponent over the years, but I'm admittedly torn on this one.

 

As Packers fans, we're used to a veteran quarterback being able to identify blitzes, O-Lines shift their protection, and DBs get torched. We're just used to it being our guy doing the carving.

 

They've been shredded by two veteran-led, pass-happy offenses. At the end of the day, blitzes are meant to get players into 1-on-1 matchups; no one on the rush is winning those battles. Nick Perry was going up against 3rd and 4th string OTs on Stafford's blind side, and the only time he got to the QB was the sack on a slow-developing, trick play (flea flicker). The only time I heard Mike Daniels' name on Monday night was in the context of the penalty which allowed Detroit to convert a 3rd-and-long. Both the Lions and the Saints made huge, repeated gains on screen passes, which come down to the players' ability to read the play.

 

I don't know if it's guys distrusting the system, or players making lackluster effort now that #12 isn't available and the season's going down the tubes.

 

If the Packers decide to fire Capers, it's largely because they can't fire all the players.

[pacopete4]

TED THOMPSON: EXPOSED!

Has there been a time when Aaron Rodgers was the QB when the Pack had a good defense?

 

2010: Capers' defense finished the season ranked 2nd in scoring defense, 5th in total defense, 2nd in interceptions, 2nd in sacks, and 1st in opposing quarterback passer rating, in spite of being decimated by injuries during the 2010 season.

 

2011: Capers lead a 5th ranked defensive squad and helped the Packers win the Super Bowl. During the playoff run his team had a pick 6 in the final 3 playoff games that year; Divisional Round (Williams), Championship game (Raji), and in Super Bowl 45 (Collins.)

 

Seems like a long time ago... Thanks for the list.

 

From what I have heard, some players think Capers' system is "antiquated." I'm not sure about that. IMHO, he doesn't have the talent. Ergo Ted Thompson is the primary reason.

 

I don't know if anyone can say that Capers doesn't know what he is doing. He obviously has the mind but what he has done of the past few years now hasn't worked. It may be time to change to get a different thought process and message to the defensive players. And yes, it was a long time ago.

[LouisEly]

Draft position is somewhat of a cop out. Not saying it's not a factor at all, but he could have traded up, traded back. It's not just the middle rounds, he's whiffed plenty in the 1st. I just don't think the 34 is in his DNA, and apparently not with some of their scouts.

Draft position is a cop-out when looking at one or two years. But when 2/3rds or more of the league is drafting ahead of you for seven consecutive seasons... it piles up.

[adambr2]

Yeah, I don't think it's a cop out. You still have to produce results -- Not saying otherwise. Teams like Seattle have gotten plenty of great defensive players from lower round picks.

 

But if you go by the draft value chart, which isn't a perfect science but gives you a pretty good idea of value, a team that picks #8 holds the same amount of total draft value in just that 1st round pick than every single pick of a team that drafts at #25.

 

So it definitely makes a difference.

[brewcrewdue80]

Was sad to hear on radio, but 10-16 drafted players have a total of 3 pro bowl seasons. Dix, Bahktiari, and Cobb.

 

You cant have a draft and develop system, if that's all the success you'll have. You gotta hit on one perennial Pro-bowler at least every 3rd draft.

Maybe Jones can be that from this draft, but it goes to show you, TT needs to give up some draft picks and move up for a bigger talent.g

[nodakfan17]

It’s tough to quantify the impact of the low draft position, but yeah, there’s something to it. The inverse draft order leads to parity.

[adambr2]

Was sad to hear on radio, but 10-16 drafted players have a total of 3 pro bowl seasons. Dix, Bahktiari, and Cobb.

 

Lacy too.

[superfly]

It's incredible to realize that this is now the 7th consecutive year of MM tolerating mediocre to bad defensive play with the same man in charge.

 

Who is to say MM is above anyone else here? His playcalling is downright despicable and if THIS is what we have in "I HAVE THREE YEARS INVESTED IN BRETT HUNDLEY AND TWO IN CALLAHAN" it is astounding how he has made a living off Rodgers and Favre's backs.

 

I like Hundley and think there's something there, but wow has he been unprepared and wow has MM's handling of the offense been bad. Fire them both if something doesn't change in my opinion.

[CheezWizHed]

I'll keep MM if he ditches Capers. If not, then I'm ready to be done with him also. I tend to think TT has done well personally. I think the defensive talent is pretty strong, actually. There were rumblings from players last year that DC wouldn't listen and they weren't following. Maybe Aranda should come back to Wisconsin...

[docduany]

I'm very curious on the Dave Aranda front. Is he as good as we all think and hope ? Would he translate? I feel like my answer is yes, but I'm a giant Wisconsin homer.

[docduany]

I'm very curious on the Dave Aranda front. Is he as good as we all think and hope ? Would he translate? I feel like my answer is yes, but I'm a giant Wisconsin homer.