Milwaukee Bucks 2017 - 2018

[LouisEly]

The elephant in the room is that the first three guys on that list combine for over $31M in salary.

 

Think about what that could get the team.

[FVBrewerFan]

Biggest difference between the Rockets and Bucks, their star player (Harden) is one of their 3 point shooters, while Giannis is not. That is what separates LeBron, Harden, Durant, etc. from Giannis at this point. Those guys can score a lot of ways, including hitting a couple 3s in crunch time with the ball in their hands.

[Baldkin]

 

But it's much easier to have a high percentage if you don't shoot them often. That's one of the reasons the Bucks don't shoot them nearly as often as Houston. You can't just tell Snell and Dellavedova and Jabari to start letting if fly like the Rockets. Their percentages would fall into the low 30's. And most of them aren't fast enough to get open for that many 3's anyway.

 

Your assumption is simply not true.

 

Houston this season has 8 players averaging at least 2.8 3's a game (who played at least 1/2 the season).

 

Here are their 3pt % compared to their careers:

 

 

Do you still think it's the players and not the scheme and coaching?

 

If Snell played for Houston he'd be shooting 6 3's a game.

[brewcrewdue80]

Difference in this team is Tony Snell/Jabari Parker/Dellavedova playing so many minutes while not being good with the rest of the team's makeup. ESPN has Snell's Player rating at 8.5. Dellavedova at 8.6. Parker at 17.2 which isn't the worst it's just that with Center being Henson/Maker. He lacks Rebounding skills on the defensive side. He just doesn't fit the team's need with his 3pt pct.

Maker's progress thus far doesn't help. Bledsoe helped the team, but wasn't the glaring area of need of a defender/Rebounder, or 3pt specialist that contributes more than Snell.

 

Basically, find Al Horford type of player vs Parker.

Just about anyone over Snell.

Hope Maker adds some good weight and improves.

[Jenkins5]

If Rapters really do fire Dwane Casey tomorrow or this week.... he seems like a guy who could be great hire. Took an awful team into something pretty much with two main guys. Both that I don’t think are #1s on a good team at least not Lawry. Think Casey is just really a good coach. He sure helped Bucks look foolish year at year pounding us

[pacopete4]

I kind be hope Becky Hammon is the best qualifyed person for the job. It would be awesome to see a female breakthrough into a pro coaching role.

[superfly]

I kind be hope Becky Hammon is the best qualifyed person for the job. It would be awesome to see a female breakthrough into a pro coaching role.

 

It shouldn't even be close who's the most "qualified." It's Blatt or Budenholzer...the former of which IMO is the most "qualified." The caveat emptor though is whether he learned from his time in Cleveland that he needs to actually have a relationship with his players. If not he'll just be Jason Kidd part 2 but a better basketball mind. Same problem with Fizdale and Gasol. Budenholzer fought with Schroder iirc as well.

 

I prefer they go the way of someone that can mostly manage egos and have good relationships (while commanding respect) rather than an X's and O's guy. NBA players don't need X's and O's IMO.

[Baldkin]

I kind be hope Becky Hammon is the best qualifyed person for the job. It would be awesome to see a female breakthrough into a pro coaching role.

 

It shouldn't even be close who's the most "qualified." It's Blatt or Budenholzer...the former of which IMO is the most "qualified." The caveat emptor though is whether he learned from his time in Cleveland that he needs to actually have a relationship with his players. If not he'll just be Jason Kidd part 2 but a better basketball mind. Same problem with Fizdale and Gasol. Budenholzer fought with Schroder iirc as well.

 

I prefer they go the way of someone that can mostly manage egos and have good relationships (while commanding respect) rather than an X's and O's guy. NBA players don't need X's and O's IMO.

 

....did you not just watch Boston destroy Milwaukee in a series where the Bucks had by far the two best players?

That was all X's and O's.

[FVBrewerFan]

I kind be hope Becky Hammon is the best qualifyed person for the job. It would be awesome to see a female breakthrough into a pro coaching role.

 

It shouldn't even be close who's the most "qualified." It's Blatt or Budenholzer...the former of which IMO is the most "qualified." The caveat emptor though is whether he learned from his time in Cleveland that he needs to actually have a relationship with his players. If not he'll just be Jason Kidd part 2 but a better basketball mind. Same problem with Fizdale and Gasol. Budenholzer fought with Schroder iirc as well.

 

I prefer they go the way of someone that can mostly manage egos and have good relationships (while commanding respect) rather than an X's and O's guy. NBA players don't need X's and O's IMO.

 

Couldn't disagree more. This team needs an Xs and Os coach. Badly. Managing personalities comes and goes, even the best coaches have difficulty with certain players. Giannis is easy to coach, and it all starts there. He is at that stage in his career where he demands respect from the rest of the team and can help the coach run the team the right way.

 

As far as Becky goes, yea, impossible to make the argument she is the most qualified. If she's hired it will be because they think she's a good fir and/or for the publicity.

[Jenkins5]

I don't think Becky is the right fit for this club and where they are at. If they were still the young team and in spot they were 2-3 years ago.... okay

give a try and let them grow with her. We need a coach who can win, has won, is well respected, and has the X & O system that stops causing us to greatly underachieve on both sides of the ball. She knows her stuff but doesn't have that proven record of winning and respect.

[superfly]

I kind be hope Becky Hammon is the best qualifyed person for the job. It would be awesome to see a female breakthrough into a pro coaching role.

 

It shouldn't even be close who's the most "qualified." It's Blatt or Budenholzer...the former of which IMO is the most "qualified." The caveat emptor though is whether he learned from his time in Cleveland that he needs to actually have a relationship with his players. If not he'll just be Jason Kidd part 2 but a better basketball mind. Same problem with Fizdale and Gasol. Budenholzer fought with Schroder iirc as well.

 

I prefer they go the way of someone that can mostly manage egos and have good relationships (while commanding respect) rather than an X's and O's guy. NBA players don't need X's and O's IMO.

 

....did you not just watch Boston destroy Milwaukee in a series where the Bucks had by far the two best players?

That was all X's and O's.

 

Are you confusing Milwaukee for Philly? I didn't see any cream colored jerseys get "destroyed"....i saw a hard fought 7 game series in which were it not for shooting woes we'd have been playing Philly (and beating them) instead right now.

 

I don't disagree with you that you need a guy that has well contrived "X's and O's," but these grown men have been playing basketball since what, 10 years old at an extremely advanced level. It doesn't take an elite X's and O's guy to install some sort of a flex, motion etc offense that gets the guys (in theory) moving around more. 90% of the problem was Giannis and Middleton ISO every time down the court.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Well. Dwane Casey is available!

[nate82]

Well. Dwane Casey is available!

 

I still prefer Budenholzer and apparently Budenholzer prefers the Bucks also if you can trust what Woelfel says.

 

https://hoopshype.com/storyline/mike-budenholzer-to-bucks/

 

If the Bucks can get either Budenholzer, Hammons, or Casey I will be fine with either of those three.

[superfly]

Bucks should have Casey on the phone and not let him off until he is the coach. What a mistake the Raptors made.

[DuWayne Steurer]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/gary-damato/2018/05/11/damato-time-isnt-right-becky-hammon-coach-bucks/599002002/

 

I can't even begin to wrap my head around how dumb and wrong D'amato's reasons for not hiring Becky Hammon are. She's not my first (or even 2nd choice), but the actual reason this dope says she shouldn't be hired are so stupid, it's... sad that people still think this way in 2018, but not surprising.

[coolhandluke121]

But it's much easier to have a high percentage if you don't shoot them often.

 

I was expecting this argument. What is your evidence that this is true? Or at least your reasoning why?

 

If you mean that we start jacking up bad opportunities just to increase the 3s/game, I would agree with you. But if the offense runs more plays with the intent to get people good 3 point opportunities and promote shooting them, the percentages shouldn't vary that much. And that was the main point... we don't have an offense that focuses on 3s.

 

And to reiterate, i didn't make the argument to say our shooters are good so don't add more. I was only trying to compare that our shooters accuracy isn't all that far off of Houston's. Probably the main difference is that Harden is a good 3 point shooter and Giannis is not. Imagine Giannis' threat if you couldn't give him 10 feet when he is beyond the arc.

 

You can coach them to create more good 3-point shots all day and it won't amount to jack because they're mostly too slow to get open and too slow to release it if they're not wide open. It would just increase the number of bad shots, which is why percentages would go down. It's in no small part a personnel issue. There's just not going to have good spacing until they get more Ryan Anderson/JJ Redick types and less impostors like Snell, Dellavedova, and Thon.

 

I'll grant that some of them could maintain fairly high percentages in an offense with better spacing, but improved spacing is not going to come directly from them because they will never have that kind of effect on defenses.

 

ETA: Bottom line, if most of these scrubs are your "shooters", then defenses are going to continue to be able to sag off of the arc and crowd Giannis in the paint, because they know they can usually still contest the 3's enough to keep from getting killed there. The Bucks need some real snipers in a bad way.

[nate82]

It sounds like the final 2 candidates for the head coaching job are Budenholzer and Messina. Obviously I like Budenholzer I have made that perfectly clear but I am not sure on Messina.