Milwaukee Bucks 2017 - 2018

[superfly]

Another night another poor performance. Hope something changes in the 4th quarter because I have zero interest in watching a charade leading up to Warriors vs Cavaliers basketball.

[GAME05]

Bucks outscored 42-14 combined in both games on second-chance points. Giannis and Middleton make an effort, but it's like everyone else just stands there hoping something good will randomly happen, especially on a defensive rebound. Their offense is what you'd design for a high school team that only has one good player. And on defense they seem to just not want to waste any energy by making an extra effort.

 

Not that I don't hope there aren't some changes with the roster, but overall if we hire a good coach next year, even this same team should be performing way better than they're doing now.

[superfly]

Perhaps Bledsoe should focus on not being completely useless on the court instead of making an ass out of himself. That would be a great place to start after Parker playing defense.

 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23224205/milwaukee-bucks-point-guard-eric-bledsoe-dismisses-boston-celtics-terry-rozier

[nate82]

Perhaps Bledsoe should focus on not being completely useless on the court instead of making an ass out of himself. That would be a great place to start after Parker playing defense.

 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23224205/milwaukee-bucks-point-guard-eric-bledsoe-dismisses-boston-celtics-terry-rozier

 

Parker is more likely to be benched than play defense.

 

This might be the last we see of Parker as the Bucks patience with him looks like it is running out.

 

https://nypost.com/2018/04/18/jabari-parkers-jealous-bucks-end-could-be-nearing/

[GAME05]

I don't entirely buy the jealousy aspect of things. And coming off an injury of course he isn't going to be used as heavily as before. A new coach would certainly design more plays for the second-best offensive player.

 

Though I saw some comments about the possibility of signing Kawai (extremely unlikely, I realize) and the person said that a sign-and-trade of Parker would free up enough room to sign Kawai. I don't know if that's really true or not. But even if not, I guess there's always the possibility of back-loading the contract since Dellavadova and Henson's too-high salaries come off the books after next season.

[superfly]

I don't entirely buy the jealousy aspect of things. And coming off an injury of course he isn't going to be used as heavily as before. A new coach would certainly design more plays for the second-best offensive player.

 

Though I saw some comments about the possibility of signing Kawai (extremely unlikely, I realize) and the person said that a sign-and-trade of Parker would free up enough room to sign Kawai. I don't know if that's really true or not. But even if not, I guess there's always the possibility of back-loading the contract since Dellavadova and Henson's too-high salaries come off the books after next season.

 

I believe it. There is clearly something in that locker room that is total cancer. Bledsoe was not here the previous times the Bucks have played well (sans Parker being around), so it most likely is not him. Every time Jabari is hurt this team plays MUCH better than it does when he is active.

 

Jabari will be out of the league in a few years if something doesn't change soon.

 

 

On another note, every time I watch Derrick Rose it makes me sad knowing what he once was...he literally has nothing left in his body and it shows in how he plays. It's good that we didn't sign him, but that makes me ONCE AGAIN question the ability of this organization to make solid basketball decisions. I mean this is obvious to see, doesn't take a rocket scientist at this point...I recall us being very close to signing him last offseason......

[Baldkin]

I don't entirely buy the jealousy aspect of things. And coming off an injury of course he isn't going to be used as heavily as before. A new coach would certainly design more plays for the second-best offensive player.

 

Though I saw some comments about the possibility of signing Kawai (extremely unlikely, I realize) and the person said that a sign-and-trade of Parker would free up enough room to sign Kawai. I don't know if that's really true or not. But even if not, I guess there's always the possibility of back-loading the contract since Dellavadova and Henson's too-high salaries come off the books after next season.

 

1) Kawhi isn't a free agent this off season.

2) The Bucks are capped out this off season, even without re-signing Parker. They will only have the Mid-Level exception and Vet Minimums to play with.

3) You cannot backload contracts in the NBA when players want the max.

[Baldkin]

I don't entirely buy the jealousy aspect of things. And coming off an injury of course he isn't going to be used as heavily as before. A new coach would certainly design more plays for the second-best offensive player.

 

Though I saw some comments about the possibility of signing Kawai (extremely unlikely, I realize) and the person said that a sign-and-trade of Parker would free up enough room to sign Kawai. I don't know if that's really true or not. But even if not, I guess there's always the possibility of back-loading the contract since Dellavadova and Henson's too-high salaries come off the books after next season.

 

I believe it. There is clearly something in that locker room that is total cancer. Bledsoe was not here the previous times the Bucks have played well (sans Parker being around), so it most likely is not him. Every time Jabari is hurt this team plays MUCH better than it does when he is active.

 

Jabari will be out of the league in a few years if something doesn't change soon.

 

 

On another note, every time I watch Derrick Rose it makes me sad knowing what he once was...he literally has nothing left in his body and it shows in how he plays. It's good that we didn't sign him, but that makes me ONCE AGAIN question the ability of this organization to make solid basketball decisions. I mean this is obvious to see, doesn't take a rocket scientist at this point...I recall us being very close to signing him last offseason......

 

This team chose DeAndre Liggins over Gerald Green. THIS SEASON.

[pacopete4]

If the Bucks have no chance at changing their current roster to compete, they might as well trade Giannis for as many first round draft picks as they can get. Terrible franchise.

[Baldkin]

If the Bucks have no chance at changing their current roster to compete, they might as well trade Giannis for as many first round draft picks as they can get. Terrible franchise.

 

The roster, despite the failings of the front office, has the core talent to compete.

 

They just have no semblance of an offense or any solid defensive principals. Or any fundamentals.

 

The problem is, they've had 4 years of bad offensive philosophy and demotivating performances drilled into their brains by the idiot former head coach and coaching staff.

 

They are running a mid 1990's offense, which is completely ineffective in the modern NBA, because illegal defense doesn't exist.

 

Simply having a coherent offensive scheme and goals would be make this team infinitely better.

 

Also, after spending YEARS building a swiss army knife of a defense where they could have the players switch on everything.... they still DON'T run the type of defense that would be best for their players.

 

Watch Boston attack the weakest defenders on the floor with a series of screens and movements designed specifically to get those players to mess up (this happens every time down the court when Jabari is in the game).

 

Then watch the Bucks go entire possessions without setting more than 1 screen.

[FVBrewerFan]

What a horrible way to open the new arena. Nothing they can this off-season to make a splash, other than trade bad contracts for other bad contracts. Essentially the game they've been playing the last 20 years.

 

Philly and Boston were in the same position as the Bucks a few years ago, look how they have rebuilt vs the Bucks. Pathetic.

[BrewCrew02]

The Celtics lucked out that the Nets gifted them 3 high first round picks which they then converted into Brown, Tatum, and Kyrie. They took a risk in hiring Stevens but that has turned out to be an incredible hire. I think if you replace Prunty and Stevens for this series the Bucks win in a landslide.

 

As far as the Sixers go they were committed to being bad for several years. The Bucks couldn't afford to do that with a new arena need on the horizon. If they were terrible for several years it would have made it much easier for a new owner to come in and move the franchise citing low attendance, merchandise sales, etc.

 

But this above shows that there are multiple ways to build a franchise. I think the main concern for the Bucks is the offensive and defensive schemes. They clearly have the talent but haven't been able to piece it together.

[FVBrewerFan]

The Celtics lucked out that the Nets gifted them 3 high first round picks which they then converted into Brown, Tatum, and Kyrie. They took a risk in hiring Stevens but that has turned out to be an incredible hire. I think if you replace Prunty and Stevens for this series the Bucks win in a landslide.

 

As far as the Sixers go they were committed to being bad for several years. The Bucks couldn't afford to do that with a new arena need on the horizon. If they were terrible for several years it would have made it much easier for a new owner to come in and move the franchise citing low attendance, merchandise sales, etc.

 

But this above shows that there are multiple ways to build a franchise. I think the main concern for the Bucks is the offensive and defensive schemes. They clearly have the talent but haven't been able to piece it together.

 

The Celtics did not "luck out." They've made a series of smart moves. As for the Sixers, true, the Bucks couldn't afford to tank for several years. But they could have for at least one. And one more stud to go with Giannis would be a huge difference right now.

 

Finally, you say they "clearly have the talent." Where? I mean yea, they have enough talent to be what they are- a playoff team in the East. But let's not pretend they're loaded with talent.

[superfly]

The Celtics lucked out that the Nets gifted them 3 high first round picks which they then converted into Brown, Tatum, and Kyrie. They took a risk in hiring Stevens but that has turned out to be an incredible hire. I think if you replace Prunty and Stevens for this series the Bucks win in a landslide.

 

As far as the Sixers go they were committed to being bad for several years. The Bucks couldn't afford to do that with a new arena need on the horizon. If they were terrible for several years it would have made it much easier for a new owner to come in and move the franchise citing low attendance, merchandise sales, etc.

 

But this above shows that there are multiple ways to build a franchise. I think the main concern for the Bucks is the offensive and defensive schemes. They clearly have the talent but haven't been able to piece it together.

 

The Celtics did not "luck out." They've made a series of smart moves. As for the Sixers, true, the Bucks couldn't afford to tank for several years. But they could have for at least one. And one more stud to go with Giannis would be a huge difference right now.

 

Finally, you say they "clearly have the talent." Where? I mean yea, they have enough talent to be what they are- a playoff team in the East. But let's not pretend they're loaded with talent.

 

I'm more inclined to agree with the Bucks having a fair bit of talent on roster. Development of the talent has been PATHETIC however. Bledsoe is a good guard when functional, Giannis is elite, Parker *should* be very good if not for injury/laziness. Middleton is a good player. Snell *should* be a decent shooter, but how can you expect him to shoot when all we do is run ISO for Giannis and Mids every time down the court? Dellavadova is a serviceable backup PG. Henson is a serviceable big (NOT a starter). Brown looks like there might be something there. Thon is ripe with potential if developed. Brogdon is a good player.

 

It's not like the cupboard is bare...it's not being developed. It makes me question how much Giannis we are missing out on by not having good coaching...is he Lebron or better if he had a guy like Pop coaching and riding his butt?

[FVBrewerFan]

You won't get an argument out of me that the talent isn't being developed or used properly. I'm just saying even at that the talent isn't that great. It's not like this current group of players should have been a top 2-3 team in the East.

 

I mean, most of the guys you described above every team has, even the bad ones. We have to admit guys like Parker and Snell are just not as good as we want them to be. Heck, I counted at least 3 times last game Snell got the ball in perfect position to put up a 3 and he didn't.

 

Having an interim coach in the playoffs doesn't help, I'm just saying it's a combination. They need better players, and players that fit around Giannis and they need to hit it right on the next coach.

[BrewCrew02]

Look at this series on talent alone.

 

Bledsoe > Rozier (Rozier is outplaying him this series but Bledsoe is a much talented player)

Snell < Brown (not even close in my opinion but Brogdon should be playing more minutes anyway)

Middleton > Tatum (Middleton is a much better player at this point in their careers)

Giannis > Horford (different style games but Giannis in a landslide)

Henson/Baynes is a wash (meh)

 

If you go the first 2 off the bench:

Brodgon > Larkin

Parker < Morris (Parker used to be more talented but the injuries look like they've caught up to him)

 

The talent is there. I understand that the Celtics are missing Kyrie and Hayward. With those 2 the Celtics could rival the Warriors as far as talent goes. But outside of the Celtics I think the Bucks are a top 3 team in the East on talent alone.

 

Their offensive scheme is awful. It's essentially just running iso after iso which when you have Giannis isn't a bad thing. The problem is the second he comes off the floor the rest of the team doesn't know how to operate. Even when he's on the court the spacing is awful when he is in an iso. I can't tell you how many times Giannis was running an iso the last 2 games and someone was just standing down by the hoop. Go iso, spread the floor and the second someone comes to help hit the open guy for a 3...it's literally the offense everyone runs against the Bucks. They are paying Snell to be a 3 and D player yet never create plays to get him open looks from 3 or for whatever reason he passes them up. He looked great in the series against Toronto last year because they created opportunities for him to be successful.

 

P.S. - are the Bucks really 6 point favorites tonight? Seems awfully high.

[BrewCrew02]

Look at this series on talent alone.

 

Bledsoe > Rozier (Rozier is outplaying him this series but Bledsoe is a much more talented player)

Snell < Brown (not even close in my opinion but Brogdon should be playing more minutes anyway)

Middleton > Tatum (Middleton is a much better player at this point in their careers)

Giannis > Horford (different style games but Giannis in a landslide)

Henson/Baynes is a wash (meh)

 

If you go the first 2 off the bench:

Brodgon > Larkin

Parker < Morris (Parker used to be more talented but the injuries look like they've caught up to him)

 

The talent is there. I understand that the Celtics are missing Kyrie and Hayward. With those 2 the Celtics could rival the Warriors as far as talent goes. But outside of the Celtics I think the Bucks are a top 3 team in the East on talent alone.

 

Their offensive scheme is awful. It's essentially just running iso after iso which when you have Giannis isn't a bad thing. The problem is the second he comes off the floor the rest of the team doesn't know how to operate. Even when he's on the court the spacing is awful when he is in an iso. I can't tell you how many times Giannis was running an iso the last 2 games and someone was just standing down by the hoop. Go iso, spread the floor and the second someone comes to help hit the open guy for a 3...it's literally the offense everyone runs against the Bucks. They are paying Snell to be a 3 and D player yet never create plays to get him open looks from 3 or for whatever reason he passes them up. He looked great in the series against Toronto last year because they created opportunities for him to be successful.

 

P.S. - are the Bucks really 6 point favorites tonight? Seems awfully high.

[young guns]

Watching maker play here in game 3 makes me wonder why he wasnt getting playing time in the first 2 games. Giving then great energy. And snell actually makes a shot!

[GAME05]

Thon. Maker. This is the best he's ever played. He's really using his quickness and he's all over the place disrupting plays. This has been absolutely incredible to watch him play like this.

[nate82]

Middleton is awesome and I was more impressed with his play than anyone else's last night. Bledsoe, Maker, and Parker all played great last night. I hope they keep the same starters for tomorrow. I believe Bledsoe, Brogdon, Middleton, Giannis, and Zeller is a nice starting 5 and gives the Celtics some match up nightmares especially if Rozier has to switch off of Bledsoe. Rozier trying to defend either Middleton or Brogdon is troubling for him and it is easy points especially for Middleton.

 

Hopefully this was a wake up moment for Parker and he will continue to play like he did last night. Parker still needs to block out more when going after defensive rebounds but at least his offense came a live last night. It also looks like Snell has finally woken up and is not as hesitant as he was earlier in the series shooting wide open 3's.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Maker has the athleticism to be an asset. Will he ever be an amazing player? I doubt it, but he can be an asset. Dude was amazing last night, when they needed him to be.

 

I think what last night really illustrated was how this team needs a coach that can get players to "buy in" to ANY kind of defensive scheme. When they decide they want to play defense, they CAN be a good defensive squad. They have the length (so much length!) and athletic quality to really give teams trouble.

[JackNicholson1974]

Do we know how old Maker really is? Does it matter?

[DuWayne Steurer]

Do we know how old Maker really is? Does it matter?

 

I've seen estimates as high as 23-24. I'm sure he's not 20. I suspect he's between 22 and 25. Probably on the high end. If he can play 20-ish minutes a night, play good defense, be decent on offense, and rebound (which he really isn't great at yet), he's an asset, regardless of his age right now.

[superfly]

This is the GOOD side of bipolar. If and when they show up like that they are a total treat to watch. Please let them have turned a corner of sorts.

[young guns]

Got ourselves a series now!