Keon Broxton to SF...who comes back?

[ebmackenzie]

https://calltothepen.com/2017/10/07/san-francisco-giants-outfield-options-reside-milwaukee/

 

DSpan is moving to left and they are looking for D in CF. Keon would have also put the most HRs in the SF OF.

 

So let's say he is going...who would you want to come back for a straight up trade for Broxton going to San Francisco?

[nate82]

Depending on Will Smith's health I think a Smith and a prospect from the low minors is what you can reasonably expect for Broxton. The free agent market is flooded with OF's which is going to hurt any trade value an OF will have.

 

I think a Will Smith and Kelvin Beltre / Miguel Gomez is a fair trade for Broxton. Smith won't be ready until after spring training so you are looking at a possible return around May/June or later. I don't see much of anything else that the Brewers could realistically expect in return for Broxton and I don't like the Giants farm system all that much. To me the Giants have the worst farm system in all of MLB right now.

[LouisEly]

Over the last two years, Joe Panik has been a 2.4 bWAR player and Broxton has been a 2.5 bWAR player. Panik isn't anything special, but he has a career OBP just below .350 and hits LH. Solves the Brewers 2B situation.

 

Giants should be in full rebuild and while Miguel Gomez struggled with the jump from AA he'll be knocking on the door soon. Panik hits arby this offseason. Giants would probably want to deal Panik for a prospect, but Broxton isn't arby eligible until 2020.

 

Seems like a pretty fair deal for both sides. I'd ask about Matt Krook, but I don't know that the Giants would make that trade.

[nate82]

Over the last two years, Joe Panik has been a 2.4 bWAR player and Broxton has been a 2.5 bWAR player. Panik isn't anything special, but it solves the Brewers 2B situation.

 

Giants should be in full rebuild and while Miguel Gomez struggled with the jump from AA he'll be knocking on the door soon. Panik hits arby this offseason. Giants would probably want to deal Panik for a prospect, but Broxton isn't arby eligible until 2020.

 

Seems like a pretty fair deal for both sides. I'd ask about Matt Krook, but I don't know that the Giants would make that trade.

 

Miguel Gomez is an all hit no defense type of a player. His defense at 3B is worse than Braun and his defense at 2B is even worse as he has no foot work which is weird because he was a pretty good catcher at least at throwing base runners out. Miguel Gomez doesn't really have a position and being only 5'10 he is limited to where he can play. He has played in LF but again his athleticism limits him there and while his arm rates out to be a plus he doesn't look comfortable out there when he has played in the OF. He has also played some 1B but the Giants have better players at 1B Chris Shaw and Aramis Garcia both are better defensively at 1B than Gomez is.

 

If the Giants play Gomez at 2B they are going to find that his defense is going to kill any value his bat will produce.

[jerichoholicninja]

The Giants aren't rebuilding, they've said so. Even Bochy said he'll be back because he wouldn't stick around if they were. And for them to trade Panik for Broxton just fills one hole while creating another one.

[trwi7]

https://calltothepen.com/2017/10/07/san-francisco-giants-outfield-options-reside-milwaukee/

 

DSpan is moving to left and they are looking for D in CF. Keon would have also put the most HRs in the SF OF.

 

So let's say he is going...who would you want to come back for a straight up trade for Broxton going to San Francisco?

 

I think it's adorable that the writer thinks the Giants have enough prospects to get Santana.

[LouisEly]

Miguel Gomez is an all hit no defense type of a player. His defense at 3B is worse than Braun and his defense at 2B is even worse as he has no foot work which is weird because he was a pretty good catcher at least at throwing base runners out.

How is he supposed to be any good defensively if they keep yanking him from position to position? Give him time to learn one.

[MrTPlush]

https://calltothepen.com/2017/10/07/san-francisco-giants-outfield-options-reside-milwaukee/

 

DSpan is moving to left and they are looking for D in CF. Keon would have also put the most HRs in the SF OF.

 

So let's say he is going...who would you want to come back for a straight up trade for Broxton going to San Francisco?

 

I think it's adorable that the writer thinks the Giants have enough prospects to get Santana.

 

What terrible writing. Not only do they not have the prospects to get Santana, but even dumber is the fact Domingo Santana doesn't play CF...the point of the article. Not only a CFer, but one that plays good defense. I mean is it seriously that hard to look up Santana's defensive statistics and realize he would never play CF even remotely close to good?

[JohnBriggs12]

https://calltothepen.com/2017/10/07/san-francisco-giants-outfield-options-reside-milwaukee/

 

DSpan is moving to left and they are looking for D in CF. Keon would have also put the most HRs in the SF OF.

 

So let's say he is going...who would you want to come back for a straight up trade for Broxton going to San Francisco?

 

I think it's adorable that the writer thinks the Giants have enough prospects to get Santana.

 

What terrible writing. Not only do they not have the prospects to get Santana, but even dumber is the fact Domingo Santana doesn't play CF...the point of the article. Not only a CFer, but one that plays good defense. I mean is it seriously that hard to look up Santana's defensive statistics and realize he would never play CF even remotely close to good?

 

Memo to the writer, the Brewers aren't rebuilding now either having finished one game short of the playoffs. There's no way Santana is dealt for prospects at this point, unless they are top 30 types and ready for major league action in 2018.

[KeithStone53151]

 

What terrible writing. Not only do they not have the prospects to get Santana, but even dumber is the fact Domingo Santana doesn't play CF...the point of the article. Not only a CFer, but one that plays good defense. I mean is it seriously that hard to look up Santana's defensive statistics and realize he would never play CF even remotely close to good?

 

Memo to the writer, the Brewers aren't rebuilding now either having finished one game short of the playoffs. There's no way Santana is dealt for prospects at this point, unless they are top 30 types and ready for major league action in 2018.

 

The giants would have to include some major league level value with some highly ranked prospects to get Santana. And it is extremely lazy that they don't realize Santana isn't a CF. Feels like a "the brewers should just trade him to us for a couple prospects because big markets deserve all the good players" type of article.

 

That said, it's conceivable that the Brewers could trade Santana now. I don't think it's likely as we have no motivation to move him, the deal would have to be a major haul and probably include a high end major league reliever along with prospects. Every player has a price, but a Santana trade isn't realistic. Now Broxton to SF would make sense, a team with Posey and Bumgarner and money to blow is NOT going to rebuild. Trading for Broxton and saving payroll $ to add in other ways makes a ton of sense for the Giants and the Brewers.

[wildcat2237]

I could see Santana being traded this off-season, however it likely only occurs under one of two scenarios:

 

1. Santana and others are traded for an ace like Bumgarner. The problem here is that MadBum is only signed through 2019 which would make this trade Greinke2.0. I doubt the Brewers would be looking for someone that is only controllable for 2 seasons.

 

2. The Brewers re-stock their farm system by sending away Santana for 2 top 100 type guys. This move makes room for Phillips and Brinson. I see this scenario as being infinitely more likely. The Giants do not have anywhere near the prospects needed to get this done. Other than Beede, I dont want any part of their system.

[TURBO]

I'm really hoping Braun is the odd man out some how, some way... Trading Domingo at his age and control better bring in a MONSTER return or I wouldn't even consider it. If he has another year like this one, the sky is the limit with his value, especially to an American league team.

 

Trading Santana when we really don't know what we have in Brinson yet is a major risk imo. We know what we have in Santana, and I think he only gets better offensively.

[MrTPlush]

If they trade Santana I'd put the odds it turns out to be an idiotic mood at about 70%. I can't see such a move happening. Trading him for prospects would be dumb when we are not rebuilding and he is young/cheap/controllable.

[nate82]

Miguel Gomez is an all hit no defense type of a player. His defense at 3B is worse than Braun and his defense at 2B is even worse as he has no foot work which is weird because he was a pretty good catcher at least at throwing base runners out.

How is he supposed to be any good defensively if they keep yanking him from position to position? Give him time to learn one.

 

I don't know but I doubt even if they allowed him to learn a position you are looking at Braun at 3B level of defense in the IF. His bat is going to allow him to play there is no doubt in that but his defense is just atrocious. I believe he will be even worse than Braun was at 3B playing any of the IF positions he just doesn't have the quickness or the instincts to play in the IF. His best spot would be 1B but he is shorter than Prince was and that is not going to be good at 1B. His arm would allow him to play RF or LF but again he is just not athletic enough to play either of those positions. He really is a DH player on an NL team.

[KeithStone53151]

Miguel Gomez is an all hit no defense type of a player. His defense at 3B is worse than Braun and his defense at 2B is even worse as he has no foot work which is weird because he was a pretty good catcher at least at throwing base runners out.

How is he supposed to be any good defensively if they keep yanking him from position to position? Give him time to learn one.

 

I don't know but I doubt even if they allowed him to learn a position you are looking at Braun at 3B level of defense in the IF. His bat is going to allow him to play there is no doubt in that but his defense is just atrocious. I believe he will be even worse than Braun was at 3B playing any of the IF positions he just doesn't have the quickness or the instincts to play in the IF. His best spot would be 1B but he is shorter than Prince was and that is not going to be good at 1B. His arm would allow him to play RF or LF but again he is just not athletic enough to play either of those positions. He really is a DH player on an NL team.

 

Braun is 6'2 while Prince is generously listed at 6'0. I think Braun playing 1b should be explored, but there's no guarantee he'd be ok there. I generally like the idea of him running less and not having to try and make diving catches. Let the young guys do that.

[clancyphile]

Miguel Gomez is an all hit no defense type of a player. His defense at 3B is worse than Braun and his defense at 2B is even worse as he has no foot work which is weird because he was a pretty good catcher at least at throwing base runners out. Miguel Gomez doesn't really have a position and being only 5'10 he is limited to where he can play. He has played in LF but again his athleticism limits him there and while his arm rates out to be a plus he doesn't look comfortable out there when he has played in the OF. He has also played some 1B but the Giants have better players at 1B Chris Shaw and Aramis Garcia both are better defensively at 1B than Gomez is.

 

If the Giants play Gomez at 2B they are going to find that his defense is going to kill any value his bat will produce.

 

Why not trade Broxton for Gomez? The Crew doesn't have a first baseman for the future, and it wouldn't be a bad thing to have insurance for Thames after dealing Garrett Cooper.

 

I'll take Gomez at second, catcher, or first as a replacement for Thames, or third. He's a switch-hitter, so, bonus points there.

 

EDIT: Worst case, I see Gomez as a replacement for Hernan Perez down the line. Best case, the C or 1B (or 3B) of the future.

[pacopete4]

There’s probably a reason Gomez hasn’t caught in 2-3 years and it’s not that they’re saving his knees for his pro career.

[clancyphile]

There’s probably a reason Gomez hasn’t caught in 2-3 years and it’s not that they’re saving his knees for his pro career.

 

OK, again, how do you get that bat in the lineup?

 

The Brewers need a future 1B, a future C (not sold on Nottingham, Garcia and Henry are not even at A-ball, and Cooper Hummel is probably a #2 catcher at best), and Lucas Erceg backslid a little from 2016.

 

If Gomez's bat is that good, put it in.

[pacopete4]

There’s probably a reason Gomez hasn’t caught in 2-3 years and it’s not that they’re saving his knees for his pro career.

 

OK, again, how do you get that bat in the lineup?

 

The Brewers need a future 1B, a future C (not sold on Nottingham, Garcia and Henry are not even at A-ball, and Cooper Hummel is probably a #2 catcher at best), and Lucas Erceg backslid a little from 2016.

 

If Gomez's bat is that good, put it in.

 

Yeah I’m over that way of thinking. You can’t have 8 guys in the lineup who can’t play defense.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm really hoping Braun is the odd man out some how, some way... Trading Domingo at his age and control better bring in a MONSTER return or I wouldn't even consider it. If he has another year like this one, the sky is the limit with his value, especially to an American league team.

 

Trading Santana when we really don't know what we have in Brinson yet is a major risk imo. We know what we have in Santana, and I think he only gets better offensively.

 

I don't think is as big a risk as you make it out to be if they can sign a bat in FA and it doesn't have to be an outfield bat either. Thames came up as a RF and while he's no whiz defensively, certainly neither is Santana. Even if they went with Aguilar full time at 1B with a Thames/Perez platoon in RF, is that a much weaker lineup than with Santana and Thames? I don't think so. That would give Brinson time in the OF against LHP and when Braun is off to hone is offense against big league pitching. Now if Santana is traded it should be as a centerpiece of a deal for a quality controllable starter (Stroman?) and not a prospect. Granted Santana alone won't get a Stroman, but paired with a quality arm prospect close to major leagues would at least get Toronto's attention as Bautista looks about done.

[TURBO]

I think some are under valuing the importance of having Santana in our daily line-up.

 

They guy provided a HUGE amount of offense for an offense challenged team the 2nd half of the season. No way I want him traded to be replaced by Perez/Thames as part of a platoon that allows Aguilar as our full time 1B.

 

Where does the offense we lose with Santana come from in this scenario?

 

I'm not a fan of Domingo's lackadaisical defense, but replacing his offense is NOT going to be as easy as some think, especially since odds are, he will be even better next season offensively.

[3and2Fastball]

I agree, it would be foolish to let go of Santana unless part of a blockbuster deal that I gsback elite pitching. You look at the production of some if the corner outfielders on playoff teams such as Austin Jackson, Jayson Werth, even (maybe especially) Schwarber/Zobrist, and you start to see how valuable Santana is...

[KeithStone53151]

I think some are under valuing the importance of having Santana in our daily line-up.

 

They guy provided a HUGE amount of offense for an offense challenged team the 2nd half of the season. No way I want him traded to be replaced by Perez/Thames as part of a platoon that allows Aguilar as our full time 1B.

 

Where does the offense we lose with Santana come from in this scenario?

 

I'm not a fan of Domingo's lackadaisical defense, but replacing his offense is NOT going to be as easy as some think, especially since odds are, he will be even better next season offensively.

 

Trading Santana should only happen if it involves extremely high end and cost controlled pitching. Every player has a price, including Santana. The likelihood of that type of trade materializing is very low, fyi. But, if we were to tack on a high end pitcher to put atop our rotation, rolling with Ace, Anderson, Davies, Woodruff, Hader...we probably don't need to score quite as many runs as we had previously. Especially considering it's highly likely Stearns spends some money on the bullpen this off season. Remember, great pitching > great hitting.

 

Also Perez/Thames likely wouldn't replace that spot. You'd see Braun/Brinson/Phillips/Broxton as our 4 OF with Thames and Perez out there sparingly.

[Roderick]

Put me down in the Santana could definitely be traded this offseason, but only for elite starting pitching. If two of Braun, Brinson, Broxton, Phillips are terrible or hurt, that would just mean more time for Perez and Thames (and maybe Villar) in the outfield and picking up an OF at the deadline if we are in it.

 

I know it would hurt our offense, but it would also be nice to be able to get to flies that are outside of a jog radius from where the OF stands.

[KeithStone53151]

Put me down in the Santana could definitely be traded this offseason, but only for elite starting pitching. If two of Braun, Brinson, Broxton, Phillips are terrible or hurt, that would just mean more time for Perez and Thames (and maybe Villar) in the outfield and picking up an OF at the deadline if we are in it.

 

I know it would hurt our offense, but it would also be nice to be able to get to flies that are outside of a jog radius from where the OF stands.

 

If Santana is gone and we have multiple injuries/poor results, we can do like the Dbacks and pick up the 2018 version of JD Martinez at the deadline for scraps.