Chris Archer

[titletownking]

Is this still an option if Cobb goes to Baltimore?

Was never reported as a real possibility

 

edit: deleted the last part. no need to go there

[brewerhuman]

Wasn't Nightengale on MLB Network a little while ago speculating that they might take another run at him? I know that's not a report, but I don't think it's totally false either.

[titletownking]

Wasn't Nightengale on MLB Network a little while ago speculating that they might take another run at him? I know that's not a report, but I don't think it's totally false either.

 

I have not found any reports linking Brewers to Archer. Pure speculation cause of fit.

[brewmann04]

i don't think the brewers are going to move more prospects at this point

[Warning Track Power]

BUMP

[bensheeps]

Richard Justice not letting it go either. From his article, "Decision day: Tough calls for all 30 clubs"

 

"Brewers

General manager David Stearns is running out of time to add a starting pitcher, and maybe that means he doesn't intend to. But after watching Brent Suter and Wade Miley get roughed up in their most recent starts, here's a friendly reminder that Milwaukee has enough Minor League depth to pry Chris Archer from the Rays."

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/pressing-decisions-for-all-30-mlb-clubs/c-269118662

[badger3034]

I'm sure there will be a few people here that are just gonna flip the switch from saying they were gonna sign Cobb to now theyre gonna trade for Archer....

 

Nothings going to happen, you've got what you've got. Might as well just not even go in this section anymore until next off season

[pacopete4]

I'm sure there will be a few people here that are just gonna flip the switch from saying they were gonna sign Cobb to now theyre gonna trade for Archer....

 

Nothings going to happen, you've got what you've got. Might as well just not even go in this section anymore until next off season

Archer most likely isn’t happening but that doesn’t mean the offseasons done. There will be quality players cut or out of options that Stearns might see as an upgrade.

[Brewer Fever]

I'm sure there will be a few people here that are just gonna flip the switch from saying they were gonna sign Cobb to now theyre gonna trade for Archer....

 

Nothings going to happen, you've got what you've got. Might as well just not even go in this section anymore until next off season

 

Are you a child? Or do you have inside info? Serious question. Because if you don't have inside knowledge of what will come next then you're coming off as a petulant child.

 

Cobb at $60 million dollars essentially would have had to been the final piece to the puzzle. It wouldn't have left much room to do anything else major. Does anyone here feel comfortable finishing off a contending team with Alex Cobb at 15 per for 4 years?

 

The tone of your post is "they didn't do what I wanted so that's it, they're never going to do what's necessary to build a contender. I'm taking my ball and going home!"

[brewmann04]

I still now think that DS does believes the rotation is good enough. I don't agree but lets see maybe Miley and either Guerra or Sutter can handle the last two spots. Cobb would have helped in my Opinion but let's hope this rotation can get us to the point to be able to make a major move come the deadline.

[PeaveyFury]

Are you a child? Or do you have inside info? Serious question. Because if you don't have inside knowledge of what will come next then you're coming off as a petulant child.

 

Easy there. Regardless of what side of the Cobb signing people are on, there's no need to call names.

[TJseven7]

"Does anyone here feel comfortable finishing off a contending team with Alex Cobb at 15 per for 4 years?"

 

Hi. Nelson is the deadline addition. Burnes Woodruff also options. Put the roster at 110mil. Ends spending for this year for the most part. Move foward by decreasing payroll by 8 mil by dealing chacin, 1.5 yo, 1.5 jeffress, 2 logan (williams houser peralta), 2 sogard (dubon), 2.5 vogt to milb catcher option. Davies dealt saves 2.5-3.5 of 2019 increase.

 

We have roughly 17.5 mil to absorb increases. Or improve before we hit 110mil. If thats our cap our ownership should be ashamed.

 

Maybe you prefer being almost a WC team or blowing up our farm for 1 piece that you must hit out of the park.

[KeithStone53151]

Are you a child? Or do you have inside info? Serious question. Because if you don't have inside knowledge of what will come next then you're coming off as a petulant child.

 

Easy there. Regardless of what side of the Cobb signing people are on, there's no need to call names.

 

I'll add that I'm not entirely certain he was pro-cobb. He just made an assumption that with cobb gone, national pundits may turn their attention to us making a trade again. He's probably right about that, and probably right that a move won't happen until July.

[Boomer5]

The rotation isn’t good enough to compete with the Cubs. At all. I’m not sure Cobb, Lynn, or even Archer changes that but it would certainly get us closer.

 

Losing Jimmy really stings and no, Chacin and his away from Petco stats say he will be a batting practice pitcher in Miller.

 

Stearns seems pretty content to leave the rotation in this condition. I’m sure there’s a story behind the scenes why the team went hard after Cain and Yelich then raised the white flag.

[badger3034]

I'm sure there will be a few people here that are just gonna flip the switch from saying they were gonna sign Cobb to now theyre gonna trade for Archer....

 

Nothings going to happen, you've got what you've got. Might as well just not even go in this section anymore until next off season

 

Are you a child? Or do you have inside info? Serious question. Because if you don't have inside knowledge of what will come next then you're coming off as a petulant child.

 

Cobb at $60 million dollars essentially would have had to been the final piece to the puzzle. It wouldn't have left much room to do anything else major. Does anyone here feel comfortable finishing off a contending team with Alex Cobb at 15 per for 4 years?

 

The tone of your post is "they didn't do what I wanted so that's it, they're never going to do what's necessary to build a contender. I'm taking my ball and going home!"

 

I don't know why you got upset over this post, I didn't direct it at anyone in particular. I was very pro Cobb, as I don't think this roster can compete to go far in the playoffs with this current rotation. Another reason I was pro Cobb, was because I think the reason that they aren't willing to expand their payroll much right now, since it seems they seem more concerned with resigning their current players with future arb raises. It wouldn't have been hard to add a guy like Lynn on a 1 year deal for $12 million, yet they decided against something little like that. They don't want to stretch themselves too thin on their payroll for when they need to pay guys like Shaw, Davies or Nelson. They're banking on the fact that their prospects like Burnes or Hiura are going to come up within the next 1-2 years and really perform. Management is going to have a much better up close look at that than we do sitting on the sidelines, and hopefully they're right. My point is, don't expect too many more moves within the next few years, I think this is the Brew Crew that you're going to have for the foreseeable future, except a few fillers here and there.

[brewerfan82]

The rotation isn’t good enough to compete with the Cubs. At all.

On paper I agree, but, 1.) we don't need to compete with the Cubs to get into the playoffs, and 2.) I would have said the same thing going into last year and look how close that was. You never know.

 

I was hoping to solidify the rotation a little more this offseason, but it may end up being more prudent waiting to see what we've got going into the trade deadline. There were a lot of players that overachieved expectations last year and if they fall back to Earth, I doubt a Cobb or even Arrieta would have made a difference in 2018, which would make them a waste of money since both could be #3-5 guys by the time the team is actually ready to compete.

 

However, if the talent is looking real, I think Stearns is more apt to make another big "Yelich"-esque splash for the rotation at the deadline. Someone with higher upside, more controllable years, and less cost than a free agent would have been. If some combo of Anderson/Davies/Chacin/Woodruff are looking legit, we add a big arm, and Nelson comes back strong, we should be in a good position to make a push. And if we still end up missing the playoffs by a game because we didn't sign Cobb to start the year, we've got a nice 3-4 year window to work in still and an extra 4/$60 to spend elsewhere next offseason.

[Fear The Chorizo]

The rotation isn’t good enough to compete with the Cubs. At all.

 

Who are the Cubs' rotation options when the 2-3 starting pitchers inevitably go down with even minor injuries/ailments that cause them to miss starts? The answer is that those options are currently far worse than what the Brewers have. If they get continued regression from an aging Lester and even one of the rest of their rotation options gets injured or underperforms, their rotation is simply more expensive compared to Milwaukee's in terms of potential production when you factor in teams regularly need 10 pitchers to make starts for them during a regular season - not 5.

 

The Cubs did their rotation upgrading over the past 2 seasons by emptying their farm and in free agency - unless they are fine with trading some of their young position player talent off the MLB team (most of which really isn't that young anymore in terms of team control), they can't be players at this year's deadline for an impact starter because they don't have anything of value in the minor leagues. If they stay healthy, their rotation is probably the 3rd best in the NL and it would've been very difficult for the Brewers to pitch well enough to be the better team even with adding Cobb or Arrieta. But depth is currently the Cubs' biggest weakness, much like some of Theo's Red Sox squads who underperformed a few years between WS titles once injuries or key players had down seasons.

[SeaBass]

"Does anyone here feel comfortable finishing off a contending team with Alex Cobb at 15 per for 4 years?"

 

Hi. Nelson is the deadline addition. Burnes Woodruff also options. Put the roster at 110mil. Ends spending for this year for the most part. Move foward by decreasing payroll by 8 mil by dealing chacin, 1.5 yo, 1.5 jeffress, 2 logan (williams houser peralta), 2 sogard (dubon), 2.5 vogt to milb catcher option. Davies dealt saves 2.5-3.5 of 2019 increase.

 

We have roughly 17.5 mil to absorb increases. Or improve before we hit 110mil. If thats our cap our ownership should be ashamed.

 

Maybe you prefer being almost a WC team or blowing up our farm for 1 piece that you must hit out of the park.

 

I think the folks that are angry the Brewers didn't commit $60 million over 4 years to Alex "the Messiah" Cobb should be much, much angrier that the Brewers didn't sign Lance Lynn for 1 year at his $12 million price tag, even if they would have had to pay him up to $15 million to pry him from the Twins.

[Mudville9]

"Does anyone here feel comfortable finishing off a contending team with Alex Cobb at 15 per for 4 years?"

 

Hi. Nelson is the deadline addition. Burnes Woodruff also options. Put the roster at 110mil. Ends spending for this year for the most part. Move foward by decreasing payroll by 8 mil by dealing chacin, 1.5 yo, 1.5 jeffress, 2 logan (williams houser peralta), 2 sogard (dubon), 2.5 vogt to milb catcher option. Davies dealt saves 2.5-3.5 of 2019 increase.

 

We have roughly 17.5 mil to absorb increases. Or improve before we hit 110mil. If thats our cap our ownership should be ashamed.

 

Maybe you prefer being almost a WC team or blowing up our farm for 1 piece that you must hit out of the park.

 

I think the folks that are angry the Brewers didn't commit $60 million over 4 years to Alex "the Messiah" Cobb should be much, much angrier that the Brewers didn't sign Lance Lynn for 1 year at his $12 million price tag, even if they would have had to pay him up to $15 million to pry him from the Twins.

 

I very much agree with this statement. Lynn would have been on a one year deal and would have helped absorb the loss of Nelson and would have been nice insurance if Guerra, Suter, Woodruff all have a down year. He wouldn't have been a difference maker, but he would have allowed everyone to breathe a little easier and if he was Suppan/Garza 2.0, it was one year and not the end of the world.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I personally didn't want to waste giving up a high draft pick for just one year of Lynn. If it was for multiple years, maybe.

 

The Brewers window to contend is not just 2018.

 

In fact, I think we need to accept that the window likely won't open until 2019.

 

Maybe Stearns and the front office already think this.

 

That's why getting some invaluable MLB innings for Woodruff and Burnes this year while Nelson gets healthy won't be the worst thing in the world.

[82brewcrew82]

The rotation isn’t good enough to compete with the Cubs. At all.

 

Who are the Cubs' rotation options when the 2-3 starting pitchers inevitably go down with even minor injuries/ailments that cause them to miss starts? The answer is that those options are currently far worse than what the Brewers have. If they get continued regression from an aging Lester and even one of the rest of their rotation options gets injured or underperforms, their rotation is simply more expensive compared to Milwaukee's in terms of potential production when you factor in teams regularly need 10 pitchers to make starts for them during a regular season - not 5.

 

So the hope is that if nearly everything goes wrong for the Cubs and nearly everything goes right for the Brewers we might have a chance? I don't care if the Cubs had to spend millions to have a better rotation, the point is they have a better rotation. Montgomery is their sixth starter, he would probably be the 3 on the Brewers. If they have injuries, they have the resources to compensate.

[DR28]

Earliest Archer gets dealt is the trade deadline.

 

We'll be going into the season with what we have.

[pacopete4]

Earliest Archer gets dealt is the trade deadline.

 

We'll be going into the season with what we have.

Giddy up!

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[brewmann04]

I personally didn't want to waste giving up a high draft pick for just one year of Lynn. If it was for multiple years, maybe.

 

The Brewers window to contend is not just 2018.

 

In fact, I think we need to accept that the window likely won't open until 2019.

 

Maybe Stearns and the front office already think this.

 

That's why getting some invaluable MLB innings for Woodruff and Burnes this year while Nelson gets healthy won't be the worst thing in the world.

 

 

I agree and think that what DS is also thinking .

I am not sure if we played over our heads or really that good to contend for the playoffs

[JohnBriggs12]

Brewers top 3 starters were a combined 19 games over .500 last year. Add in Nelson and Suter and they were 26 games over. Not being mentioned is that they get full season of Hader out of the pen too. The lineup should by any measure have more length and fewer K's.