Chris Archer

[A Swing and A Drive]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

[TURBO]

Jeff Sullivan in his Frangraphs chat today had this to say about an Archer trade question:

"Jeff Sullivan: They’re not trading Archer"

 

Which is what the team is saying as well. Which may or may not be true, but I don't see see what the Rays are doing as tanking or rebuilding. It may be one of those situations as well, like I expected with Yelich tbh, where with 4 years of cheap control he's almost *too* valuable, and noone will pay what he's worth as it's just too much. But a trade may happen at a later date; an easier decision to make when TB have seen more of Faria, Honeywell and the other talented young arms they have and know how good they'll be. TB are doing what teams like they and Oakland do, retooling, churning the roster, cutting costs etc. So there is a good chance their selling is done; and even if it's a rebuild, they don't have a pressing need to sell now. Might well get better offers at the deadline.

 

Which probably actually means he will be traded by Friday!

[pacopete4]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

So if this is true, we shouldn't trade for Archer as it would make no difference.

[KeithStone53151]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

Having Gray likely means we don't have Yelich. Maybe you are ok with that, or even prefer that...it's worth noting though. Gray was going to require Brinson+, and he simply isn't worth that in my opinion.

[bill hAll Star]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

We'd have 2 years left of control on Gray with less of a farm system. I was advocating for not making the trade and I'm glad we didn't. We'd be 0/1 in our 3 chances to make the playoffs with Gray and would've paid dearly to do so.

[mattyo]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

I disagree with every sentence in this post.

[DR28]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

I disagree with every sentence in this post.

 

Definitely agree!

[brewmann04]

Let's see what the brewers do before opening day

[nate82]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

Gray was not worth what the A's were asking for last year period end of story. Why do you keep on bringing this up? JB12 is that you?

[jjfanec]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

I disagree with every sentence in this post.

 

Haha. I know. Thought maybe he didn't find the blue font

[badger3034]

The Brewers missed the boat by not trading for Sonny Gray at last year's trade deadline, IMO.

 

Now we get to start 2018 with a mediocre rotation at best.

 

The Cubs #4 starter (Kyle Hendricks) is better than any pitcher in our rotation. (Even if we sign Cobb, btw)

 

Not good.

 

When those trade rumors first came out, I was initially excited, then I looked into it more, and I realized that would've been an awful trade. I definitely don't want to trade Santana at this point. Every team that may have expressed any interest went a different route. It has become evidently clear that no team in MLB values Santana like we thought he had at the beginning of the offseason, he's gonna pull a much smaller haul than we would want. Archer is gonna take a lot of the farm to be able to pull, and he is definitely not worth it anymore.

[mlloyd10]

Honeywell let the field with a potential severe injury to his arm. Dont know how this effects things with Archer.

 

Would anyone do - Davies/Woodruff/Phillips for Archer?

[Dadbauer]

Honeywell let the field with a potential severe injury to his arm. Dont know how this effects things with Archer.

 

Would anyone do - Davies/Woodruff/Phillips for Archer?

 

No, that just trades one quality starter for another - we need to add not lose Davies.

[DocLuna7]

Another Sonny Gray trade thread?!! Thought this was finally over at last year’s deadline.

[TJH123]

I really want this to happen but don’t think it does at this point without giving Tampa Bay both Hiura and Burnes which I would rather not do. Santana unfortunately isn’t likely a realistic option to give Tampa Bay either because they don’t need him now. I don’t think this trade happens.

[Dadbauer]

Rays top pitching prospect Honeywell needs Tommy John. Doubt that changes anything regarding plans for Archer, but perhaps.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

Seems that now more than ever they’d want Burnes in a deal.

[reillymcshane]

Seems that now more than ever they’d want Burnes in a deal.

Woodruff might work as well. He could step right into the rotation.

[brewerhuman]

Seems that now more than ever they’d want Burnes in a deal.

Woodruff might work as well. He could step right into the rotation.

 

This isn't to suggest that the Rays are more likely to deal Archer, right? You guys are just speculating on the potential package?

[82brewcrew82]

Seems that now more than ever they’d want Burnes in a deal.

Woodruff might work as well. He could step right into the rotation.

 

This isn't to suggest that the Rays are more likely to deal Archer, right? You guys are just speculating on the potential package?

Correct.

[Dadbauer]

Yeah, if anything I now expect them to trade him even LESS. The only way it makes more sense to trade him is if they get some guys who will be around longer but are not too far away (like Woodruff.) The only way they are MORE likely to trade him is if they feel this injury pushes back their window a year and Archer no longer fits in it.

[jjfanec]

Yeah, if anything I now expect them to trade him even LESS. The only way it makes more sense to trade him is if they get some guys who will be around longer but are not too far away (like Woodruff.) The only way they are MORE likely to trade him is if they feel this injury pushes back their window a year and Archer no longer fits in it.

 

Honestly I think it has to push Archer being traded. They simply won't compete while he is there. They need prospects. We just dont know if they like our prospects enough it if they want to wait until the trade deadline when the market might be greater

[brewcrewdue80]

Rays top pitching prospect Honeywell needs Tommy John. Doubt that changes anything regarding plans for Archer, but perhaps.

 

Just wow. Read the MLBTR. 10 pitches in a batting practice session. You go your whole offseason and get going for the new year, that anticipation, and 10 on the side pitches end all hopes for 2018 and to start the season in '19. He was knocking on the door and with this he's not even on a ML pre-arb contract. I looked for his Draft profile. Wow. He went 72nd to the Rays. Nowhere will you find him mentioned as a top 100 predraft draft prospect. Whoever had the balls to convince to not only draft Honeywell, but do so overslot is Legend Scouting.

[jonescm128]

Rays top pitching prospect Honeywell needs Tommy John. Doubt that changes anything regarding plans for Archer, but perhaps.

 

Just wow. Read the MLBTR. 10 pitches in a batting practice session. You go your whole offseason and get going for the new year, that anticipation, and 10 on the side pitches end all hopes for 2018 and to start the season in '19. He was knocking on the door and with this he's not even on a ML pre-arb contract. I looked for his Draft profile. Wow. He went 72nd to the Rays. Nowhere will you find him mentioned as a top 100 predraft draft prospect. Whoever had the balls to convince to not only draft Honeywell, but do so overslot is Legend Scouting.

 

 

One of his main offerings is a screwball and that places a lot of torque on the elbow. I don't want to say it was bound to happen but it was definitely more likely with that pitch.

[brewerhuman]

Is this still an option if Cobb goes to Baltimore?