Trade with the Phillies (Caesar Hernandez)

[pacopete4]

What would it take to get the following from the Phillies:

 

-Aaron Nola

-Andrew Knapp

-Caesar Hernandez

 

Does Villar, Luis Ortiz, Brinson do the trick or does more have to be included? Those three solve much of our issues. Pina can be a guy that starts 2 days a week so he stays healthier and comes in for defense. Knapp gets on base and seems to be a pretty good catcher, plus young controllable. Hernandez plays 2B pretty well and has experience around the diamond. We may lose a bit of power but he could be a good table setter. And Nola solves missing Nelson next season and also is young and controllable. Maybe I'm way off but just thought these three players are very interesting.

[KeithStone53151]

What would it take to get the following from the Phillies:

 

-Aaron Nola

-Andrew Knapp

-Caesar Hernandez

 

Does Villar, Luis Ortiz, Brinson do the trick or does more have to be included? Those three solve much of our issues. Pina can be a guy that starts 2 days a week so he stays healthier and comes in for defense. Knapp gets on base and seems to be a pretty good catcher, plus young controllable. Hernandez plays 2B pretty well and has experience around the diamond. We may lose a bit of power but he could be a good table setter. And Nola solves missing Nelson next season and also is young and controllable. Maybe I'm way off but just thought these three players are very interesting.

 

I think if the Phillies wanted to sell off those pieces, they could get better value selling them individually than what they get from this package. I've also heard they are gearing up to spend like crazy and try and complement the pieces they have to field a competitive team. They have good pieces, add in a high end starter, a high end bat and a bullpen piece...they might grow into a solid team quickly. I could see Martinez and Arrieta both landing in philly.

[Lathund]

Villar, Ortiz and Brinson might get Nola. If they're even entertaining offers for him which I don't think they are. All 3? No way.

[pacopete4]

Okay take Nola out, what can we do to just get the catcher and two-bagger.

[Madhawk23]

Do people really not think Pina is capable of being our starting catcher next year? I guess I'm a little surprised that we'd need to go out and find an every day catcher like Knapp? Now, I wouldn't be opposed to finding someone that can help share the job with Pina by catching 1-2 days a week, but I guess I'm not in the boat that says we need to replace Pina.

[pacopete4]

Do people really not think Pina is capable of being our starting catcher next year? I guess I'm a little surprised that we'd need to go out and find an every day catcher like Knapp? Now, I wouldn't be opposed to finding someone that can help share the job with Pina by catching 1-2 days a week, but I guess I'm not in the boat that says we need to replace Pina.

 

I like Pina a lot. I just think there’s always ways to upgrade. Knapp feels like a perfect opportunity to do so if it were possible. That gives you Pina to basically split duties with Knapp.

[Madhawk23]

If we are just looking for someone to job share with Pina, then I guess I'd prefer either finding someone off the scrap heap (that we wouldn't have to trade much for), or create an open competition next spring between Bandy and Susac. I like Vogt's bat, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing him back, but man his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

[OnaBadger58]

If we are just looking for someone to job share with Pina, then I guess I'd prefer either finding someone off the scrap heap (that we wouldn't have to trade much for), or create an open competition next spring between Bandy and Susac. I like Vogt's bat, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing him back, but man his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

If you're not a fan of Vogt's defense, then Susac probably shouldn't be in the competition next spring.

[Madhawk23]

If we are just looking for someone to job share with Pina, then I guess I'd prefer either finding someone off the scrap heap (that we wouldn't have to trade much for), or create an open competition next spring between Bandy and Susac. I like Vogt's bat, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing him back, but man his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

If you're not a fan of Vogt's defense, then Susac probably shouldn't be in the competition next spring.

 

OK - I guess I didn't realize that Susac was that poor behind the plate. So, apparently he must bring nothing to the table since he also can't hit the baseball either!

[pacopete4]

Knapp is 25. He’s young and bats left handed. Both things that Pina are not.

[OnaBadger58]

I do really like the idea of adding Cesar Hernandez to the team. He is a better/younger Sogard-like player. Also, one of the Phillies top prospects is a 2b and is knocking at the major league door.

[billymac]

I do really like the idea of adding Cesar Hernandez to the team. He is a better/younger Sogard-like player. Also, one of the Phillies top prospects is a 2b and is knocking at the major league door.

 

I mentioned it before in the Dee Gordon thread that he would be a great target this offseason, but looking at their depth chart, they have young talent in pretty much every skill position that they likely wouldn't trade for over. Their pitching is what they would need at the MLB level and I don't think we can help them or want to help them there. If they look for a package of some prospects(or interested in Villar or Perez and prospects), I'd do that and would help bridge the gap for a possible Dubon/Huira takeover in a couple years.

 

He would be a very good switching hitting, on base, very good defensive pickup.

[pacopete4]

Hilarious Caesar Hernandez Trade

[Warning Track Power]

Hilarious Caesar Hernandez Trade

Simply wow...

 

Go re-sign Neil Walker and you're arguably better at 2B and you still keep your prospects. That's an unbelievably bad proposal.

[Boomer5]

3 plus WAR guys under 30 aren't cheap.

[Austin Tatious]

We used to be like that. We’d look at other teams’ prospects and start drooling over their prospects with fantasy proposals. You know we have a number of prospects who are appealing. It’s nice to have a talent-rich farm.

[TJseven7]

3 plus WAR guys under 30 aren't cheap.

 

3 plus war bats dont net 2 arms. That's hilarious. Those days are dead and gone.

[adambr2]

Maybe one of the first two and one of the second two. So literally half what they're proposing.

 

Not even saying I would do that but that would seem much closer to reality.

[JohnBriggs12]

If we are just looking for someone to job share with Pina, then I guess I'd prefer either finding someone off the scrap heap (that we wouldn't have to trade much for), or create an open competition next spring between Bandy and Susac. I like Vogt's bat, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to bringing him back, but man his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Did you miss it? Vogt's already signed at $3 million for 2018. Barring a trade that includes either Pina or Vogt, they are set as the catching duo. Yes Vogt doesn't throw well, but other than Billy Hamilton and Starling Marte, and those guys can steal on anybody, there's not many big base stealing threats out there in the division. I don't believe Vogt's arm was 100% last year either. Career-wise he was only just a bit below average.

 

Offensively, it's a strong duo and Vogt's a great clubhouse guy.

[KeithStone53151]

Maybe one of the first two and one of the second two. So literally half what they're proposing.

 

Not even saying I would do that but that would seem much closer to reality.

 

Thats absolutely much closer to reality than his proposal. It's a buyers market for 2b, a couple good ones available in free agency and a few other good ones being actively shopped... while few teams have that need.

 

Getting the Phillies to take an outfield prospect isn't realistic, that's their strength as well. They might get one of peralta or Ortiz, maybe. More likely they get someone like diplan and a lower level guy. Maybe Peyton Henry. Or maybe dubon as the throw in.

 

This proposal is laughable, what a clown.

[MrTPlush]

Hernandez is really good and you guys are selling him short. The market could kill his value, but I think his value isn’t too far off what was proposed(ignoring all other factors outside of him).

 

I’d say his worth is whichever guy of Burnes/Ortiz the Brewers think lesser of, Derby, and Ernesto. That would give us a pretty good young 2B on the cheap for three years.

 

Of course you could make the argument that the Brewers don’t really need a cheap guy there and signing Walker would make more sense. That argument is pretty accurate and Hernandez is probably not a very good fit. That doesn’t make the proposal a a joke from a value point of view though. The proposed deal is pretty lopsided from my point of view, but not crazy lopsided like the writer is some kind of fool.

[adambr2]

To be fair to the guy, he did state at the end of it that he wouldn't expect it to happen because of the value the Brewers would place on their pitching prospects.