Verlander to Houston (2017 Re-visited)

[pacopete4]

This is the kind of deal teams serious about making a deep postseason run make.

 

Franklin Perez, the headlining prospect in the trade, has been awful this season at High A.

 

Hindsight is 20/20 but history shows that adding a veteran with a long track record of success is usually a recipe for success for a playoff bound team.

 

And remember, for every 1 Ryan Braun prospect, there are 99 Mat Gamels.

 

And who would be this years Verlander? I hope you’re not suggesting that be Hamel.

[FVBrewerFan]

This is the kind of deal teams serious about making a deep postseason run make.

 

The Brewers shouldn't be serious about making a deep post-season run, so I'm glad they haven't made a move like this last year or this year. That's a move you make when you're already a great team, not when you have several areas of need.

[brooks_quichenick]

This is the kind of deal teams serious about making a deep postseason run make.

 

The Brewers shouldn't be serious about making a deep post-season run, so I'm glad they haven't made a move like this last year or this year. That's a move you make when you're already a great team, not when you have several areas of need.

 

[sarcasm]For sure, why even try? They shouldn't even play out the regular season, imo. Not worth the effort.[/sarcasm]

[zzzmanwitz]

Is the goal to make the playoffs or win a World Series?

[brooks_quichenick]

Can't win a World Series if you don't make the playoffs.

[zzzmanwitz]

Can't win a World Series if you don't make the playoffs.

 

Thanks. I was unaware.

 

The point is do you think there are 1 or 2 players out there that turn the Brewers from playoff contenders into WS contenders. If there are, I am much more in the let's go for it camp. My opinion is that now that Machado is gone (and he was borderline), there aren't any Verlander / Sabathia type moves available to make that jump. Given that is the case, they should conserve their resources until next season when they may be in a better position to make a deep post season run.

[PeaveyFury]

The point is do you think there are 1 or 2 players out there that turn the Brewers from playoff contenders into WS contenders.

 

I honestly think so (ok, maybe 3 are necessary). A guy like Dozier at 2B, an upgrade at catcher, and a solid-but-unspectacular starter might get us there. Realmuto/Dozier/Stroman or Gibson might do it. Obviously, you'll have to give to get, which is the heart of the debate.

 

I don't think there's a Sabathia-type out there, but I'm not sure that's the level of addition they even need.

[adambr2]

This is the kind of deal teams serious about making a deep postseason run make.

 

Franklin Perez, the headlining prospect in the trade, has been awful this season at High A.

 

Hindsight is 20/20 but history shows that adding a veteran with a long track record of success is usually a recipe for success for a playoff bound team.

 

And remember, for every 1 Ryan Braun prospect, there are 99 Mat Gamels.

 

This post is just chock full of generalizations and half-truths. 99 Mat Gamels for every 1 Ryan Braun? Ok, not every prospect has to become Ryan Braun to be helpful.

 

Secondly, we already have added a veteran with a long track record of success, and unlike Hamels, he also doesn't suck lately.

 

Also funny that you point out Verlander but not Darvish or Gray. Verlander is the exception, not the rule, and in no way is Cole Hamels comparable to him.

[adambr2]

The point is do you think there are 1 or 2 players out there that turn the Brewers from playoff contenders into WS contenders.

 

I honestly think so (ok, maybe 3 are necessary). A guy like Dozier at 2B, an upgrade at catcher, and a solid-but-unspectacular starter might get us there. Realmuto/Dozier/Stroman or Gibson might do it. Obviously, you'll have to give to get, which is the heart of the debate.

 

I don't think there's a Sabathia-type out there, but I'm not sure that's the level of addition they even need.

 

I'm really sold on Realmuto and would be willing to part with Hiura+ to get him. I realize that most are probably not in that boat and I get it. I'm just a little surprised he isn't being pursued a little more strongly. He's the best at a position that almost everyone is weak at, he is strong both offensively and defensively, he is controlled and obtainable.

 

He's a potential game changer for a contender.

[zzzmanwitz]

A guy like Dozier at 2B, an upgrade at catcher, and a solid-but-unspectacular starter might get us there. Realmuto/Dozier/Stroman or Gibson might do it.

 

It might. Now can you get those three players without giving up Huira, Burnes, Woodruff or Peralta? I'm not sure you can and my preference would be to keep those guys unless it moves Milwaukee to the favorites in the NL.

 

I want the Brewers to push for the playoffs and add another guy or two, but I don't think this is the year to sell off the farm. Any team that makes the playoffs has a shot to win it all, because baseball.

[monty57]

There are very few players in Verlander's league, and I don't think any of them are available this year. The most expensive likely scenario this year would probably be Realmuto, and with his control he may be worth trading away a top prospect.

 

Other than that, the Brewers should make a trade for Dozier or Schoop, and neither of them should be overly expensive.

 

As to "serious about winning," does anyone really believe that if a team doesn't throw away their future they aren't "serious about winning?" I think that term is thrown around way too often by people who are simply frustrated that their team is not making as many moves as they would like. Of course the Brewers are "serious about winning." They made a lot of moves and spent a lot of money prior to this season because they felt they could contend, and as of this typing they have the third best record in the National League. "Serious about winning" is a term that should be retired.

[bill hAll Star]

This is the kind of deal teams serious about making a deep postseason run make.

 

Franklin Perez, the headlining prospect in the trade, has been awful this season at High A.

 

Hindsight is 20/20 but history shows that adding a veteran with a long track record of success is usually a recipe for success for a playoff bound team.

 

And remember, for every 1 Ryan Braun prospect, there are 99 Mat Gamels.

 

Verlander still "had it" for the 2nd half of seasons and I was pushing for this if Mark was willing to pay the huge price ($$$).

 

You're the Cole Hamels-wanter and they're not the same. Hamels is just a decent pitcher at this point that has nice stretches. Verlander was dominant for the 2nd half in 2015, 2016, and 2017.

 

I'm not a fan of "let's get a veteran-y guy and he'll veteran leader us to the promised land." I'm a fan of guys that still display elite skill, which Verlander had been doing. Obviously the Houston pitching substance/analytics team has turned him back into a Cy Young pitcher on top of it all.

[pacopete4]

Don’t we have enough veterans anyways? Other than Peralta we are about as grizzled as we have been for awhile in our starting pitching department.

[dlk9s]

Ok, I'm convinced. We should trade for Justin Verlander.

[bill hAll Star]

Don’t we have enough veterans anyways? Other than Peralta we are about as grizzled as we have been for awhile in our starting pitching department.

 

People want even more grizzled vets. Ones that they've seen play in the playoffs already, as if that really has much to do with anything.

[KeithStone53151]

Don’t we have enough veterans anyways? Other than Peralta we are about as grizzled as we have been for awhile in our starting pitching department.

 

People want even more grizzled vets. Ones that they've seen play in the playoffs already, as if that really has much to do with anything.

 

Is Matt Garza still available? He has a pretty good track record...

[OnaBadger58]

The point is do you think there are 1 or 2 players out there that turn the Brewers from playoff contenders into WS contenders.

 

I honestly think so (ok, maybe 3 are necessary). A guy like Dozier at 2B, an upgrade at catcher, and a solid-but-unspectacular starter might get us there. Realmuto/Dozier/Stroman or Gibson might do it. Obviously, you'll have to give to get, which is the heart of the debate.

 

I don't think there's a Sabathia-type out there, but I'm not sure that's the level of addition they even need.

 

I'm really sold on Realmuto and would be willing to part with Hiura+ to get him. I realize that most are probably not in that boat and I get it. I'm just a little surprised he isn't being pursued a little more strongly. He's the best at a position that almost everyone is weak at, he is strong both offensively and defensively, he is controlled and obtainable.

 

He's a potential game changer for a contender.

 

I share the exact same sentiment. Seems like most are unwilling to think about trading away their baby Hiura for anyone not named deGrom.

[MoreTrife]

Ok, I'm convinced. We should trade for Justin Verlander.