postseason roster eligibility what you want

[djoctagone]

11:00 pm central on thursday 31 august is the deadline for the brewers to set postseason roster eligibility.

 

the brewers don't have any obvious candidates to place or transfer to the 60-day disabled list, so it's whoever's on the 40-man as of that thursday night deadline that the brewers can use in the postseason when they set their 25-man roster for each round of play.

 

keeping in mind that the club's postseason hopes may lie in a one-and-done wild card game, what move(s) would you make on the 40-man roster by 11:00 pm central thursday? note that the 40-man is currently full.

 

i'd dfa carlos torres and select the contract of quintin berry. he'd be used only in the postseason to pinch run, and would also help the club in september.

 

i'd consider activating and immediately dfa-ing andrew susac if it was needed to open up a 40-man roster spot for another player in a trade, but only if jett bandy was assured of being able to return from the disabled list.

[Greenleaf1]

I could still see them putting Adrian Houser on the 60-day DL now that they wouldn't have to give him that much service time. Same with Brinson if they don't think he's coming back, although my guess is they'll give him every chance to make his way back.

 

Susac/Suter are both rehabbing right now and figure to be activated around 9/1, so neither is going to get DFA'd.

 

I think we're pretty much set for bullpen reinforcements. We have Brooks, Lopez, Guerra, Jungmann, Wang, Webb, Williams, and Suter to choose from there.

 

My thought would be to DFA Yadiel Rivera and bring up Ivan De Jesus. He has positional flexibility, has had a great year, and it would give us a chance to see him and see if he could stick on the 40-man through the winter. Then if he doesn't work out, his spot opens up for Dubon in the winter.

 

I think my one move would just be swap Rivera for De Jesus.

[And That]

60-day DL for Susac or Bandy, transfer Barnes to AAA, purchase Mauricio Dubon's contract.

 

DFA Carlos Torres, purchase Freddy Peralta's contract.

 

Quintin Berry does absolutely nothing for me, though I'm sure the Brewers are thinking about adding him. De Jesus is 30, is highly likely to not be a part of the organization's future, and provides little to no marginal value over Dubon over the course of a month. If he (or Berry) replaces Rivera in September, fine, but I wouldn't add either before then.

 

Edit:

I would also personally replace Garza with Taylor Williams (which would in turn free up a 40-man spot for Berry/De Jesus in September) or Tristan Archer (which would not free up said spot), but I think they value Garza's clubhouse presence enough that they won't consider cutting him loose before the end of the season.

[rcc]

DFA both Garza and Torres definitely.

 

Wang, Jungman, etc. would be better than those two.

[djoctagone]

DFA both Garza and Torres definitely.

 

Wang, Jungman [sic], etc. would be better than those two.

but who are your et cetera? wang and jungmann are already on the 40-man, so they're already eligible for postseason play.

 

if dfa-ing garza and torres before thursday's deadline, you're creating two spots on the 40-man that could be filled by postseason-eligible players currently not on the 40-man.

[reillymcshane]

Let’s see. Here we go:

 

Waive Garza. Rotation is Nelson, Davies, Anderson, Woodruff and Suter (making a rehab start Aug. 30, so he should be ready soon).

 

Call up Aaron Brooks, Junior Guerra, Taylor Jungmann, Jorge Lopez, Wei-Chung Wang, Tyler Webb, Taylor Williams and Brandon Woodruff.

 

Woodruff goes in to the rotation, Jungmann gets the start if Suter isn’t ready or someone else gets hurt. The rest of the guys provide depth during the stretch run. It’s late in the season - guys are getting tired. The fresh arms will be welcome, and allows us to play with a really deep bullpen as needed. Personally, I hate having a ton of relievers - it just causes a game to drag on - but hey, I’ll take advantage of it if it’s there.

 

It also gives the club a look at some guys who should be in the mix for the bullpen next year.

 

Call up Rivera (defensive/pinch runner specialist) and Phillips (provides a left handed bat with some pop, and some good defense).

 

I don’t know the situation with Bandy or Susac. If both look like they are going to be out for the rest of the year, I’d trade for a veteran catcher or call up Tyler Heineman from AAA as insurance. I’m sure we could find a decent glove first type catcher at fringe major leaguer who we could get for the stretch run for peanuts.

 

If just one of those guys looks like he’s going to miss the season, I’d move him to the 60-day DL and add someone to the 40 man roster - and call him up. Candidates include Freddy Peralta and Corbin Burnes (either would be an interesting arm in the pen), Kyle Wren (pinch hitter, pinch runner guy) or Mauricio Dubon (although he kind of duplicates Rivera’s role).

 

Basically, use as many assets as we have available to us. Relievers, defensive substitution, pinch hitters, pinch runners - you name it, use them.

 

I'm not sure cutting ties with Garza is the right move, but at this point, I guess I'd rather take a risk with someone else than live with his performance. He looks decent on some days, but more than not, he doesn't seem like he's worth it. I think I'd rather roll the dice with Suter or someone like that.

[djoctagone]

Let’s see. Here we go:

 

Waive Garza.

 

I don’t know the situation with Bandy or Susac. If both look like they are going to be out for the rest of the year, I’d trade for a veteran catcher or call up Tyler Heineman from AAA as insurance. I’m sure we could find a decent glove first type catcher at fringe major leaguer who we could get for the stretch run for peanuts.

 

If just one of those guys looks like he’s going to miss the season, I’d move him to the 60-day DL and add someone to the 40 man roster - and call him up. Candidates include Freddy Peralta and Corbin Burnes (either would be an interesting arm in the pen), Kyle Wren (pinch hitter, pinch runner guy) or Mauricio Dubon (although he kind of duplicates Rivera’s role).

keeping in mind tomorrow's deadline to set postseason roster eligibility, you're cutting garza, which opens up one spot on the 40-man roster. who takes his place?

 

again, if the player isn't on the 40-man roster or 60-day disabled list by tomorrow night's deadline, he can still help the brewers in september, but would not be eligible for any postseason games.

 

this thread is devoted to how you'd shape the 40-man roster (and possibly the 60-day disabled list) by tomorrow's 11:00 pm central deadline.

[reillymcshane]

Let’s see. Here we go:

 

Waive Garza.

 

I don’t know the situation with Bandy or Susac. If both look like they are going to be out for the rest of the year, I’d trade for a veteran catcher or call up Tyler Heineman from AAA as insurance. I’m sure we could find a decent glove first type catcher at fringe major leaguer who we could get for the stretch run for peanuts.

 

If just one of those guys looks like he’s going to miss the season, I’d move him to the 60-day DL and add someone to the 40 man roster - and call him up. Candidates include Freddy Peralta and Corbin Burnes (either would be an interesting arm in the pen), Kyle Wren (pinch hitter, pinch runner guy) or Mauricio Dubon (although he kind of duplicates Rivera’s role).

keeping in mind tomorrow's deadline to set postseason roster eligibility, you're cutting garza, which opens up one spot on the 40-man roster. who takes his place?

 

again, if the player isn't on the 40-man roster or 60-day disabled list by tomorrow night's deadline, he can still help the brewers in september, but would not be eligible for any postseason games.

 

this thread is devoted to how you'd shape the 40-man roster (and possibly the 60-day disabled list) by tomorrow's 11:00 pm central deadline.

That's right - if Garza is released, it opens a 40-man roster spot. If one of the catchers was place on the 60-day DL, and Garza was dumped, I'd probably go with one pitcher and one position player. Probably Burnes and Wren (maybe Dubon, but I see more IF depth than OF depth on the club right now).

[shanedog19]

The other question is, does Juan Nicasio make it down to us as a waiver claim, and if so, do we claim him?

[reillymcshane]

The other question is, does Juan Nicasio make it down to us as a waiver claim, and if so, do we claim him?

I will say no, he doesn't make it. I'm betting the Cardinals take him before us. If he does make, then yes, we take him. He's having a better season than everyone in our bullpen other than Knebel and perhaps Hader.

[Outlander]

Also keep in mind that the Brewers have a bunch of injured catchers right now so if one or more are still hurt during the playoffs then minor leaguers like Heineman and Garcia could replace them even though they are not on the 40 man now. Might also make sense to acquire a veteran catcher tomorrow and assign him to the minors.

[brewmann04]

Susac and Bandy are on their way back.

[jerichoholicninja]

Susac and Bandy are on their way back.

 

Is that a good thing?

[shanedog19]

The other question is, does Juan Nicasio make it down to us as a waiver claim, and if so, do we claim him?

I will say no, he doesn't make it. I'm betting the Cardinals take him before us. If he does make, then yes, we take him. He's having a better season than everyone in our bullpen other than Knebel and perhaps Hader.

 

I think we should know the landing spot for Nicasio sometime today. Waivers run for two days, and Nicasio was placed there on Tuesday I believe.

[djoctagone]

11:00 pm central on thursday 31 august is the deadline for the brewers to set postseason roster eligibility.

 

the brewers don't have any obvious candidates to place or transfer to the 60-day disabled list, so it's whoever's on the 40-man as of that thursday night deadline that the brewers can use in the postseason when they set their 25-man roster for each round of play.

wow. no changes made to the 40-man roster at last night's deadline, and no players were placed or moved to the 60-day disabled list.

[Crash2303]

The other question is, does Juan Nicasio make it down to us as a waiver claim, and if so, do we claim him?

I will say no, he doesn't make it. I'm betting the Cardinals take him before us. If he does make, then yes, we take him. He's having a better season than everyone in our bullpen other than Knebel and perhaps Hader.

 

I think we should know the landing spot for Nicasio sometime today. Waivers run for two days, and Nicasio was placed there on Tuesday I believe.

 

Nicasio to the Phils? makes little sense to me. would have been a great addition to the crew down the stretch. but, better them than the Cards.

 

as to the thread topic...I've got a soft spot for overachieving 30 year olds in AAA so would be fine with DeJesus trading 40 man spots with Rivera and his .169 PCL BA. just to see what we've got in him. with that said, he's cooled off in August after his absolute beast of a season and not sure if he'd even see the field as Arcia & Shaw aren't coming off the field if healthy and in the last three weeks Villar (1.125 OPS), Walker (.834 OPS), & Sogard (1.004 OPS) have been on an absolute tear forcing Counsell to find playing time for Villar in the OF just to keep their bats in the lineup. actually to play the hot hand- something that counsell/stearns has done a good job of all season long- would be to add/bring up Nathan Orf. outside of April, he has been not only consistently good, but consistently getting better leading up to his recent scorching August- evidenced by his monthly OPS (April-August; .555, .760, .875, .992, 1.107). Add to that his positional flexibility and on base skills, i think he could be a solid September asset and furthermore give the crew a chance to see him a the major league level to decide whether to protect him from the Rule V draft, which he is currently eligible for and has a strong chance to be taken.

 

Other than Orf for Rivera. I wouldn't make any other 40 man moves. the only other one i would consider would be moving Brooks off the 40 man (still not real sure why we added him in the first place) and adding Nieuwy. but solely on the condition that he ONLY bats against RH and ONLY at home (within that limited playing criteria- he may be our best player...decided not to put that in blue).

 

commenting on some other proposed moves from other posters:

i can see the appeal of adding Berry a la Mel Stocker/Jason Bourgeois, but i think Wren would be a better choice as he adds more offensive ability. however, there is no need as we should have plenty of guys who can come off the bench and run the bases with speed and competency.

 

Do not add Burnes/F.Peralta/Dubon. No need. We'll have plenty of support from other guys in more experienced positions to help the club.

 

Do not bring up Aaron Brooks. he and his 8.38 ERA in 58 MLB innings does not go near Milwaukee. (notice the bold period) i would rather trade out Wily than bring up Brooks- and Wily would be a liability for Sept.

 

40 Man Reverse Depth Chart (most expendable)

1) Aaron Brooks

2) Matt Garza

3) Yadiel Rivera

4) Carlos Torres

5) Adrian Houser

[djoctagone]

as to the thread topic...

it's all moot now. the thread topic was how you'd shape the 40-man roster and 60-day disabled list for postseason eligibility by last night's deadline, not who you'd recall in september.

 

because that deadline has passed, all of the moves you're proposing will not affect the makeup of the 25-man roster for each postseason series, and in fact, some would impede the postseason depth for the brewers.

 

there's a thread for september call-ups (including purchasing the contracts of minor league players not on the 40-man).

[Greenleaf1]

They might be wrong but they mentioned before the game on the broadcast tonight that in order to be eligible for post season, you just have to be with the team by September 1st, not on the 40-man roster.

 

I think they're wrong, or possibly just misleading, maybe they mean that if someone went on the 60-day DL, Quintin Berry could become postseason eligible by taking that "spot", but does anyone know more than that?

[Baldkin]

They might be wrong but they mentioned before the game on the broadcast tonight that in order to be eligible for post season, you just have to be with the team by September 1st, not on the 40-man roster.

 

I think they're wrong, or possibly just misleading, maybe they mean that if someone went on the 60-day DL, Quintin Berry could become postseason eligible by taking that "spot", but does anyone know more than that?

 

Now, I'm not sure if this has changed or not, but the rule in 2011 was that you were eligible for post season play if you were on the 25 man roster or on the 60/15 day DL as of midnight Aug 31st.

 

The Brewers actually kept 2 or 3 guys on the DL an extra few days to gain extra roster flexibility for the post season (not that it helped RRR at all).

[Outlander]

If somebody gets put on the 60 day DL then a minor leaguer that wasn't on the 40 man at 8/31 can replace the injured player pending commissioner approval.

[djoctagone]

If somebody gets put on the 60 day DL then a minor leaguer that wasn't on the 40 man at 8/31 can replace the injured player pending commissioner approval.

stated on mlb.com:

 

clubs can petition the commissioner's office to add any player that was not on the 40-man roster as of aug. 31 -- provided the player was in the organization on aug. 31 and is replacing a player who has spent at least 60 days on the 60-day disabled list.

the brewers have not utilized the 60-day disabled list at all this season, so how can they have a player who's already accrued at least a month on the 60-day disabled list (and 60 days by 1 october)?

 

this is why i was puzzled by the lack of roster moves on 31 august. a guy like aaron brooks clearly had no future role in the organization--he was just class aaa depth. i don't know why he wasn't dfa'd the night of 31 august so quintin berry could be added then.

[Outlander]

The MLB site isn't very detailed, if say Eric Sogard was injured today and out for the year they could petition MLB and replace him with Nate Orf. It isn't automatic but I don't know what would cause MLB to deny.

[djoctagone]

The MLB site isn't very detailed, if say Eric Sogard was injured today and out for the year they could petition MLB and replace him with Nate Orf. It isn't automatic but I don't know what would cause MLB to deny.

but based on what mlb.com states, if sogard went out for the season, the brewers' only infield replacement option would be yadiel rivera (the only remaining infielder on the 40-man who was on the 40-man as of 31 august).

[djoctagone]

this contradicts what is referenced on mlb.com above, but by placing jimmy nelson on the 10-day disabled list instead of the 60-day disabled list, aaron wilkerson (who was in the brewers' organization 31 august, but not on the 40-man) is eligible for postseason play.

 

that mlb.com article isn't doing armchair general managers any favors.

[JohnBriggs12]

20 year old Frankie Rodriguez was not on the Angels 40 man roster on August 31st, 2002. He was added in September and was a star in the playoffs that year.