2017-08-29: Cardinals (Weaver) at Brewers (Garza) 6:40 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 10-2]

[adambr2]

Garza is crap. No, the 3rd was not all his fault but spin it all you want and make as many excuses for him as you want. If letting him have these last 2 August starts instead of Woodruff costs us just one game, it may be the one game that costs us a playoff shot.

[BuckyBrewer61]

The Garza hatred runs strong in some. A mess of an inning created by crappy defense. Heck even the one Garza booted around probably is an out if Pina just catches the ball. These are the nights that are so frustrating with this team. A chance to knock out the Cards at home and we lay an egg.

 

And who's error started it all off?

 

I agree many can be quick to jump on Garza, but numbers don't lie. 4.67 ERA, 1.4 WHIP, 4.94 FIP. And all those numbers climbing tonight.

 

Fact is, Matt Garza is not a good pitcher.

[PinaMadness]

This might be the start of year 2 of "Operation Shutdown Garza", and we have just seen Garza throw his last pitch as a Brewer.

[SomewhereInTime]

I go to a lot of games, but I will never spend money going to a Garza start. With the rosters expanding soon this should be his last start.

[adambr2]

5 walks in 3 and a third for Garza and people want to say it's on his teammates. Unreal.

[Mr Southpaw]

Fast forward to the fourth inning.... Can we cut him now?

[SomewhereInTime]

5 walks in 3 and a third for Garza and people want to say it's on his teammates. Unreal.

 

Not to mention the fact that none of those unearned runs score if he could field his position. Easiest 1-2-3 DP ever.

[markedman5]

It's tough when every game is so huge and we run out Matt Garza and then Torres to replace him.

 

Neither can throw strikes

[yfinn6]

Here comes a big hit to really blow this thing open.

[OnaBadger58]

Torres 8 pitches, 1 strike

[PinaMadness]

BA had a hard time spinning that Bronx cheer from the crowd.

[PinaMadness]

Boy I sure am glad we pulled Garza.

[adambr2]

7 walks and we're not even through 4. Hard to believe these 2 bums account for 25% of our payroll.

[pacopete4]

7 walks and we're not even through 4. Hard to believe these 2 bums account for 25% of our payroll.

 

And we have struck outs six times in three innings of batting.

 

I wish our media would ask Stearns some hard questions. Like why is Torres still on this team?

[brewmann04]

Pathetic effort tonight trying to bulid off a win in LA.I want to give Matt some leeway but i think he needs to be replaced.

[Ennder]

5 walks in 3 and a third for Garza and people want to say it's on his teammates. Unreal.

 

Nobody actually said that, in fact nobody in this thread defended Garza the pitcher. The 3rd inning included an error by Shaw, the ump missing two strikes leading to a walk, a bobbled ball by Arcia, a very poor decision to try to turn 2 by Walker, a bad throw to the plate by Thames. It also included Garza fumbling a come backer and the catcher missing a throw he easily could have caught. Garza is not really to blame for 3 runs that inning, maybe 1 is on him. Trying to blame the 3rd on Garza is what another poster called hate and I get it, people dislike him so much that he gets no benefit of the doubt at all.

 

I would gladly see them cut ties with Garza. I don't think they will because we have him next year and the team needs depth. He is not a good pitcher at all, but the 3rd inning isn't a reason why he is a bad pitcher, it was bad defense all over the infield.

 

I will tell you, between about 4 of the posters in this game thread this is why I left these forums back in 2014. The constant complaining about every little thing, second guessing everything and just being complete downers every time the team has a bad game makes this forum unpleasant to visit. Its like you all get some sort of joy out of the team doing poorly. This team was not built for a playoff run, it is in the midst of a rebuild. Of course it is going to have flaws here and there and fixing them this season would have been idiotic because it would have required majorly mortgaging the future. Try to be happy that the team is still in a playoff race this late in the season with no payroll and having traded away most of the top talent on it and having a great farm system. This year should be a celebration not just constant negativity.

[markedman5]

Whiff......whiff...whiff.....

[adambr2]

5 walks in 3 and a third for Garza and people want to say it's on his teammates. Unreal.

 

Nobody actually said that, in fact nobody in this thread defended Garza the pitcher. The 3rd inning included an error by Shaw, the ump missing two strikes leading to a walk, a bobbled ball by Arcia, a very poor decision to try to turn 2 by Walker, a bad throw to the plate by Thames. It also included Garza fumbling a come backer and the catcher missing a throw he easily could have caught. Garza is not really to blame for 3 runs that inning, maybe 1 is on him. Trying to blame the 3rd on Garza is what another poster called hate and I get it, people dislike him so much that he gets no benefit of the doubt at all.

 

I would gladly see them cut ties with Garza. I don't think they will because we have him next year and the team needs depth. He is not a good pitcher at all, but the 3rd inning isn't a reason why he is a bad pitcher, it was bad defense all over the infield.

 

"Matt Garza gave up a single and a walk...his team decided to give up three runs"

 

That is not defending Garza the pitcher or saying it's on his team?

[adambr2]

I don't like to criticize Shaw much because he's pretty much been our best player but he needs to step up and start playing better. Definitely not a good day for him either offensively or defensively so far.

[trwi7]

That's the second time tonight a Brewer has struck out on a pitch in the dirt to which Brian said it was a foul tip. If it was a foul tip and hit the dirt, it wouldn't be a strikeout. Pay attention.

[adambr2]

This team is such a tease. Every time they start to get a little something going and look like they're going to start making a run for the playoffs, they go and take 2 steps back again.

[markedman5]

5 walks in 3 and a third for Garza and people want to say it's on his teammates. Unreal.

 

Nobody actually said that, in fact nobody in this thread defended Garza the pitcher. The 3rd inning included an error by Shaw, the ump missing two strikes leading to a walk, a bobbled ball by Arcia, a very poor decision to try to turn 2 by Walker, a bad throw to the plate by Thames. It also included Garza fumbling a come backer and the catcher missing a throw he easily could have caught. Garza is not really to blame for 3 runs that inning, maybe 1 is on him. Trying to blame the 3rd on Garza is what another poster called hate and I get it, people dislike him so much that he gets no benefit of the doubt at all.

 

I would gladly see them cut ties with Garza. I don't think they will because we have him next year and the team needs depth. He is not a good pitcher at all, but the 3rd inning isn't a reason why he is a bad pitcher, it was bad defense all over the infield.

 

We only have him.if we choose to pick up his option. Garza isn't the kind of depth they need....I'd rather use the 5 million elseware.

 

What we get out of Garza we can likely get out of Jungmann, Guerra or somebody else at AAA or AA.....or somebody who,isn't on the roster now.

[markedman5]

Nothing like laying an egg in front of a big home crowd after a long road trip

[markedman5]

On the positive side Torres doing his part to help Houston

 

[adambr2]

Look, Garza is a lightning rod for criticism. That kind of comes with the territory of expectations when you sign a rather lucrative FA contract (in historical perspective) with the Brewers. It doesn't help when you complain and moan after a terrible year and leave your teammates and go home. Fans aren't going to like that. Fans aren't going to like it when you're tweeting about what others should and shouldn't do regarding abstinence and birth control.

 

So yes, I get that it can be unfair at times, but I can also understand why he gets the flack he does.