2017-08-23: Brewers (Garza) at Giants (Moore) 2:45 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-2]

[danzig6767]

So lose 2 outta 3 to the Giants while scoring 1 run vs gas can moore and people are optimistic about Dodgers series because there is no Bellinger, Kershaw, Wood?

 

Where is this blind optimism coming from..can i get some please? I truly dont wanna be a pessimist..jusy see myself as more of a realist

Blind optimism?

 

The percentage of people here who think the Brewers will actually make the playoffs is likely 5% at best.

[TURBO]

Lose 2 out of 3 to SF. Now on to the best team in baseball.

 

Which means we will sweep that series...Watch and see!

[3and2Fastball]

I like going into the IGT's and arguing with everyone. It's my hobby.

[WoahSolvdd]

So lose 2 outta 3 to the Giants while scoring 1 run vs gas can moore and people are optimistic about Dodgers series because there is no Bellinger, Kershaw, Wood?

 

Where is this blind optimism coming from..can i get some please? I truly dont wanna be a pessimist..jusy see myself as more of a realist

Blind optimism?

 

The percentage of people here who think the Brewers will actually make the playoffs is likely 5% at best.

 

Not just making the playoffs, but staying in contention. Losing 2 of 3 to the woeful giants and getting shut down by a gas can w a 6 era wont keep them in contention long...especially with more away games then home games left...

[WoahSolvdd]

I like going into the IGT's and arguing with everyone. It's my hobby.

 

I love people that get mad when someone doesnt think like the entire group.

 

Ahhh good ole group think..btw you can say my name,

 

Why Adam is one of the few here I respect and has been a top poster here for the 15 years I have followed this board.

 

Instead of throwing shade how about having a intellectual discussion. No need for veiled shots.

 

I love the Brewers. I am allowed to be upset, disappointed.

 

I wont instigate, I will retaliate, if my intellect or I am talked down to.

 

Seems new users get this treatment. Mind you though I have been on this been since '03. Ill show respect to those who show me respect.

[rcc]

Lose 2 out of 3 to SF. Now on to the best team in baseball.

 

Which means we will sweep that series...Watch and see!

 

If you're right we'll all be very happy!

[WoahSolvdd]

Lose 2 out of 3 to SF. Now on to the best team in baseball.

 

Which means we will sweep that series...Watch and see!

 

If you're right we'll all be very happy!

Brewers tend to play up to competition and down to it...

 

Brewers could have easily swept LA earlier this season...but now both are very different teams.

[owbc]

Brewers could have easily swept LA earlier this season...but now both are very different teams.

 

Could have but didn't...because the Dodgers have a better bullpen.

 

The Yankees beat the 2001 Seattle Mariners, so I guess anything could happen this weekend.

[WoahSolvdd]

Brewers could have easily swept LA earlier this season...but now both are very different teams.

 

Could have but didn't...because the Dodgers have a better bullpen.

 

The Yankees beat the 2001 Seattle Mariners, so I guess anything could happen this weekend.

 

Yes of course. If memory serves me Brewers gave up a huge 8th inning lead. I am just saying...we up our game vs top tier teams and lower it to the bottom feeders..

[pacopete4]

 

And please stop telling people that asking for small ball is wrong and that your opinion is right.

 

 

In the playoffs you need to manufacture runs, your faces top pitching talent.

 

I would be interested to see how many manufactured runs occurred last year CLE vs CHI.

 

 

Your right HR or bust.

 

Very intelligent, how about the Royals Cards Giants ? Ever heard of them?

 

Way to base your argument off of one series, one year.

 

 

Nationals a power team, how have they fared past few years in playoffs.

 

I know bunting and moving runners over isnt "cool" but neither is hitting HRs all season to get into the playoffs were your face 1s 2s and good 3s and getting shutdown.

 

Ummm... excuse yourself. I wasn't writing what I did to call you out. I was genuinely interested because YOU brought it up. Learn how to respond to people without this crap.

[WoahSolvdd]

Brewers could have easily swept LA earlier this season...but now both are very different teams.

 

Could have but didn't...because the Dodgers have a better bullpen.

 

The Yankees beat the 2001 Seattle Mariners, so I guess anything could happen this weekend.

 

Yes of course. If memory serves me Brewers gave up a huge 8th inning lead. I am just saying...we up our game vs top tier teams and lower it to the bottom feeders..

[LouisEly]

Love all the negativity towards Villar and especially Garza. Works five innings allowing only a run. It's what a 5th starter does. Nice job boys.

[sarcasm]No one on this board ever overreacts to one inning...[/sarcasm]

[LouisEly]

Pathetic giving Moore one of his best outings of the year. Thought that was only what the 2003 crew did. Cmon

 

Glad to see Hader in. Gj Garza

This year Moore has severe reverse splits:

 

vs. LHB: 1.068 OPS-A

vs. RHB: .753 OPS-A

 

For his career he has slight reverse splits:

 

vs. LHB: .756

vs. RHB: .722

 

And yet Counsell sits Thames and Walker. Does Counsell not have these stats available to him? How much time does it take to look this stuff up?

[tmwiese55]

And please stop with the begging for bunts and small ball stuff. No one was complaining when that offense carried them the first half mashing everywhere. You don't need to 'manufacture' anything. You simply need to come up with hits in RISP, any hit.

 

And please stop telling people that asking for small ball is wrong and that your opinion is right.

 

 

In the playoffs you need to manufacture runs, your faces top pitching talent.

 

Sure, ignore that math has proven this to be clearly incorrect. What good is to bunt guys into RISP if you can't get them in? That is the problem right now. They're getting plenty of hits and guys on base, just not delivering the big hits to get them in or sac flies when less than 2 outs. Giving away outs with bunts is not going to fix that. The math has proven this, it's not a debatable opinion, it is a fact.

 

And I don't think people arguing with you is over different opinions or views. It's that you're nothing but negative and act like the team some godawful catastrophe. When in reality they've massively overachieved and still hanging in this thing with 5-6 weeks to go and are basically in every game until the end, almost never get blown out. If you can't enjoy any of that maybe it's best to be a bit less die hard or the stress will kill you. I guess they/me are just trying to say to ease of espn style overreactions, relax and remember it's a long season and enjoy it a little bit. We all have the same frustrations and see the same issues as you, some of it is just the ups and downs of a baseball season though.

[Ennder]

Bunting with your slow catcher on 1st with a guy that really struggles making contact would have been a really awful move. Bunting there is clearly the wrong thing to do given the players who were on base and due up. There are some things I don't like about Counsell but properly not bunting in bad situations is not one of them. I showed this last time someone complained about not bunting but bunting is never the right play without there being some positive context to the play. Either a really good bunter up, a really bad hitter up, a fast guy on base, bunting to bad fielders etc. I'm not saying it is always wrong but there needs to be a reason that it is better than average success rate in that specific situation and in this case it clearly was not.

 

The Cardinals and Giants didn't bunt often in their World Series years either. The Royals only did it with their really bad hitters.

 

It has to be really hard to be a fan with a glass completely empty mentality. I feel bad for you.

[sveumrules]

I rather be a team like the BoSox who dont hit the HR and manufacture runs and win games then a HR reliant team.

 

Entering today the Red Sox (with a DH) have a team wRC+ of 94 & have scored 608 runs, compared to a team wRC+ of 93 for the Brewers (with pitchers hitting) & 587 runs scored for the Crew.

 

On the other side the Red Sox have a 3.67 ERA (facing mostly lineups with 9 actual hitters) compared to a 4.13 ERA for the Brewers (facing mostly lineups with 8 actual hitters).

 

I don't believe the difference between the two teams records has very much to do with the style of offense they employ.

[adambr2]

A bit of good news tonight as the Diamondbacks lost to the Mets and the Royals rallied late to beat the Rockies, so no ground was lost in the WC race.

 

The Cubs did win, but to be honest, I'm not paying much attention to them. Sorry guys, in my opinion the division title just isn't happening. The wild card however is getting closer, and actually we're now closer in the standings to the Rockies than the Cubs.

[stoutdude04]

 

 

Your right HR or bust.

 

Very intelligent, how about the Royals Cards Giants ? Ever heard of them?

 

 

Maybe don't patronize someone about intelligence if you can't use contractions correctly.

[SomewhereInTime]

A bit of good news tonight as the Diamondbacks lost to the Mets and the Royals rallied late to beat the Rockies, so no ground was lost in the WC race.

 

The Cubs did win, but to be honest, I'm not paying much attention to them. Sorry guys, in my opinion the division title just isn't happening. The wild card however is getting closer, and actually we're now closer in the standings to the Rockies than the Cubs.

 

That's the great thing about chasing 3 teams with no one to leap frog and you only have to catch one. If you win, you're probably gaining ground on somebody and if you lose you're probably not losing ground to everybody.

[Ennder]

The Red Sox also don't play small ball, they just hit for a good average. There offense was way better last year when they actually hit a lot of HR. Almost nothing you are saying about small ball is true. The Royals won the world series on the back of a dominant bullpen and getting really hot at the right time. The Giants world series were largely about dominant starting pitching but 2 of the 3 were also about one guy getting crazy hot and hitting a bunch of HR. The Cardinals have never been a small ball team.

[KeithStone53151]

A bit of good news tonight as the Diamondbacks lost to the Mets and the Royals rallied late to beat the Rockies, so no ground was lost in the WC race.

 

The Cubs did win, but to be honest, I'm not paying much attention to them. Sorry guys, in my opinion the division title just isn't happening. The wild card however is getting closer, and actually we're now closer in the standings to the Rockies than the Cubs.

 

I'm still optimistic on our chances to catch the cubs. Right now is pretty much the optimal time for them to gain ground on us from a schedule standpoint. Last week and this week, they faced bums while we faced solid competition. Now we face a Dodgers team missing 3 key players while they face an awful Phillies team. In theory, after this weekend we will have better opportunities to gain ground. Also their spat of injuries certainly isn't helping their cause. Lester, Russell, Contreras, and now Bryant. And their depth/farm are both awful, so they don't have much for options to replace these guys. They feel kinda like the Brewer teams from 5-6 years ago that had some very poor players taking meaningful atbats due to lack of depth.

[tmwiese55]

I think it's still possible. Yea we're frustrated by the 2/3 at SF. But the team overall has been playing well since the MN dumpster fire. They're 3-3 on this trip and with LAD depleted a bit, need to find a way to get 2 there and absolutely no way they can allow a sweep.

 

However, next week the Cubs continue with Pit/ATL while we get STL and WAS, so still in their favor. This 3ish lead could be 5-6 before we know it which makes it really tough. But with 7 games left vs them if you can hand around 3 then anything is possible. But they need something to start breaking their way pretty soon for that to happen.

[adambr2]

A bit of good news tonight as the Diamondbacks lost to the Mets and the Royals rallied late to beat the Rockies, so no ground was lost in the WC race.

 

The Cubs did win, but to be honest, I'm not paying much attention to them. Sorry guys, in my opinion the division title just isn't happening. The wild card however is getting closer, and actually we're now closer in the standings to the Rockies than the Cubs.

 

I'm still optimistic on our chances to catch the cubs. Right now is pretty much the optimal time for them to gain ground on us from a schedule standpoint. Last week and this week, they faced bums while we faced solid competition. Now we face a Dodgers team missing 3 key players while they face an awful Phillies team. In theory, after this weekend we will have better opportunities to gain ground. Also their spat of injuries certainly isn't helping their cause. Lester, Russell, Contreras, and now Bryant. And their depth/farm are both awful, so they don't have much for options to replace these guys. They feel kinda like the Brewer teams from 5-6 years ago that had some very poor players taking meaningful atbats due to lack of depth.

 

That's just it, it's pretty likely that 3.5 will be 5 or 6 by the end of the month with the schedules. While it's still theoretically possible to make that up in September, their schedule doesn't get any more difficult. While they aren't the 100+ win team from last year they're still too good IMO to go into a huge funk in September against a soft schedule enough to get back in it. We'll likely be in a position where we need to go 6-1 against them to rest of the way to have a shot and I just don't see that happening. Injuries will hurt, but not enough to send them into the big tailspin that we need.

 

I'm a lot less of a believer in the Rockies and Diamondbacks and as long as someone else doesn't get hot and catch us, we only need one of them to falter, and neither is sitting on a really easy schedule.

 

At this point all we can do anyway is control what we can control. I would guess that would not be good enough to win the division but would be enough to sneak into a 1 game WC playoff.

[adambr2]

I think it's still possible. Yea we're frustrated by the 2/3 at SF. But the team overall has been playing well since the MN dumpster fire. They're 3-3 on this trip and with LAD depleted a bit, need to find a way to get 2 there and absolutely no way they can allow a sweep.

 

However, next week the Cubs continue with Pit/ATL while we get STL and WAS, so still in their favor. This 3ish lead could be 5-6 before we know it which makes it really tough. But with 7 games left vs them if you can hand around 3 then anything is possible. But they need something to start breaking their way pretty soon for that to happen.

 

Well, they really needed to find a way to get 2 in San Francisco. That was their time to make hay, and they didn't. I'm not saying we'll get swept (though it wouldn't surprise me), but it's almost impossible for me to see us taking 2 in L.A. This isn't like a series in Colorado where maybe if things break right we can take it. The Dodgers are that good. They haven't lost a series since early June against the Nationals.

 

I realize anything can happen. But the odds really are very low.

[tmwiese55]

Yea for sure. If they'd have gotten the 2 wins in SF then you just take your 1 in LA and call it a good enough trip. Now they need 2 in LA to make up for SF.