What could Davies and/or Garza fetch in the offseason?

[clancyphile]

Zach Davies and Matt Garza are both very solid pitchers - ERAs in the 4.00-4.50 range, give or take .25 of the ERA...

 

What could Davies bring in return if dealt over the offseason? Garza? Both together?

 

Between Brent Suter, Brandon Woodruff, and Josh Hader, all of whom are on the cusp of the majors, plus Luis Ortiz, Corbin Burnes, and Angel Ventura, all of whom have 2018 ETAs, might it not be worth flipping one or both of them to get prospects or other talent?

[bigred]

Did Zach Davies change his name?

[Brewer Fever]

And the first Davies trade proposal thread started by the same author wasn't enough?

[Lee16]

Put the alcohol and the keyboard away and call it a night. You'll thank me later.

[clancyphile]

Serves me right for posting that late.

[MrTPlush]

Irrelevent topic right now because neither is getting traded before this winter. A lot can happen in that amount of time. The other problem is all those guys you listed are not going to be ready the start of next season. Brandon Woodruff and Brent Suter are the only guys who could actually make the opening day roster. Someone can likely take Guerra's spot and if we need a second spot open I would option Davies and keep the depth.

[JohnBriggs12]

Davies isn't going anywhere for a long time.

[JohnBriggs12]

Irrelevent topic right now because neither is getting traded before this winter. A lot can happen in that amount of time. The other problem is all those guys you listed are not going to be ready the start of next season. Brandon Woodruff and Brent Suter are the only guys who could actually make the opening day roster. Someone can likely take Guerra's spot and if we need a second spot open I would option Davies and keep the depth.

 

You'd option a guy who since he arrived is 26-13 in 55 starts with a WHIP of 1.316 and a 4.1 WAR in less than 2 full seasons? Heck I think he's the most reliable starter they have. Note I said reliable, not necessarily the best and maybe not the most talented, but certainly the guy with the most savvy, guts, and makeup between the ears. Since he first arrived and shut out the Cubs in Wrigley late in 2015 for 6 innings, Davies has repeatedly shown that he's cool as a cucumber under pressure and that's a talent in itself.

[LouisEly]

No, Burnes is not going to be ready in 2018, and neither is Ortiz. Both are 2019. Dollars to donuts Burnes starts 2018 in AA.

 

2018:

 

MLB: Nelson, Anderson, Suter, Davies, and one of Hader/Woodruff/Jungmann/Wilkerson

AAA - Ortiz, Ventura, Derby, two of Woodruff/Jungmann/Wilkerson/T. Williams

AA - Burnes, Peralta, Ponce, Yamamoto, Perrin/Medeiros/Bickford

 

There is plenty of depth, to the point where it is highly likely that Garza is dealt in the offseason, and enough depth where Davies could be dealt for the right offer.

[MrTPlush]

Irrelevent topic right now because neither is getting traded before this winter. A lot can happen in that amount of time. The other problem is all those guys you listed are not going to be ready the start of next season. Brandon Woodruff and Brent Suter are the only guys who could actually make the opening day roster. Someone can likely take Guerra's spot and if we need a second spot open I would option Davies and keep the depth.

 

You'd option a guy who since he arrived is 26-13 in 55 starts with a WHIP of 1.316 and a 4.1 WAR in less than 2 full seasons? Heck I think he's the most reliable starter they have. Note I said reliable, not necessarily the best and maybe not the most talented, but certainly the guy with the most savvy, guts, and makeup between the ears. Since he first arrived and shut out the Cubs in Wrigley late in 2015 for 6 innings, Davies has repeatedly shown that he's cool as a cucumber under pressure and that's a talent in itself.

 

Well if I had to make a decision for the start of next year with two months to go this year(why this thread is pointless to me) yes I would. Of course this all could change in the next two months because Davies has pitched really well lately. If that continues he could seal a starting spot next year. The reason I would opt to option Davies(or it could be Suter instead) is because I value keeping all the starting rotation depth that you can. Because injuries are going to happen and usually you get one right off the bat needing your #6 guy right away. If Matt Garza continues to pitch well I am not trading him and sorry for the other two he can't be optioned. That gives him an upper hand on a rotational spot. Brent Suter is a nice story, but I don't want to depend on him. Could be destined for a Taylor Jungmann type free fall.

 

We haven't traded any starting rotation depth away and had Michael Blazek get a start the other day. Trade one of those guys away and we could be giving even more starts to the Blazek types next year. A lot of people assume Josh Hader will be ready for the rotation next year, but I don't think he will EVER be available to take a rotational spot next year Due to going to the bullpen he will end up with under 100 IP this year. Good luck putting him in the rotation next year he will be done by August. If we actually still think he is a starter long term he will be in the minors all next year till he hits an innings limit.

 

This is all pre mature though as we need to see what our current starters do the next two months to even have an idea. I ball at the idea we have that much depth. Most guys are simply not ready or will hit an innings limit before the end of next year. I don't consider it depth if it is going to get shut down well before the season ends. We could run into big problems late in the season if injuries start to hit and all our depth is maxed out on their innings. Also concerns me our depth is mostly in AA right now so if you need them early in the season they are quite inexperienced.

[OnTheBlack]

Irrelevent topic right now because neither is getting traded before this winter. A lot can happen in that amount of time. The other problem is all those guys you listed are not going to be ready the start of next season. Brandon Woodruff and Brent Suter are the only guys who could actually make the opening day roster. Someone can likely take Guerra's spot and if we need a second spot open I would option Davies and keep the depth.

 

You'd option a guy who since he arrived is 26-13 in 55 starts with a WHIP of 1.316 and a 4.1 WAR in less than 2 full seasons? Heck I think he's the most reliable starter they have. Note I said reliable, not necessarily the best and maybe not the most talented, but certainly the guy with the most savvy, guts, and makeup between the ears. Since he first arrived and shut out the Cubs in Wrigley late in 2015 for 6 innings, Davies has repeatedly shown that he's cool as a cucumber under pressure and that's a talent in itself.

 

Well if I had to make a decision for the start of next year with two months to go this year(why this thread is pointless to me) yes I would. Of course this all could change in the next two months because Davies has pitched really well lately. If that continues he could seal a starting spot next year. The reason I would opt to option Davies(or it could be Suter instead) is because I value keeping all the starting rotation depth that you can. Because injuries are going to happen and usually you get one right off the bat needing your #6 guy right away. If Matt Garza continues to pitch well I am not trading him and sorry for the other two he can't be optioned. That gives him an upper hand on a rotational spot. Brent Suter is a nice story, but I don't want to depend on him. Could be destined for a Taylor Jungmann type free fall.

 

We haven't traded any starting rotation depth away and had Michael Blazek get a start the other day. Trade one of those guys away and we could be giving even more starts to the Blazek types next year. A lot of people assume Josh Hader will be ready for the rotation next year, but I don't think he will EVER be available to take a rotational spot next year Due to going to the bullpen he will end up with under 100 IP this year. Good luck putting him in the rotation next year he will be done by August. If we actually still think he is a starter long term he will be in the minors all next year till he hits an innings limit.

 

This is all pre mature though as we need to see what our current starters do the next two months to even have an idea. I ball at the idea we have that much depth. Most guys are simply not ready or will hit an innings limit before the end of next year. I don't consider it depth if it is going to get shut down well before the season ends. We could run into big problems late in the season if injuries start to hit and all our depth is maxed out on their innings. Also concerns me our depth is mostly in AA right now so if you need them early in the season they are quite inexperienced.

 

There's a little more to the equation than just IP. He's moved to the BP which means he's been throwing more than just the numbers of innings he's pitched. This is a guy who's thrown 120+ innings the last 3 years. I doubt the Brewers are going to watch him excel in the big leagues and then send him back down to AAA for a year to get his innings up. It's more likely they start him in the BP next year and then move him to the rotation to keep his innings down. But based on what Stearns has said, it's sure sounds like he's going to be a frontrunner for the rotation next year.

[OnTheBlack]

Davies isn't going anywhere for a long time.

 

 

Well, I'm certainly glad that Stearns isn't as set in his ways to make such a definitive statement about such a young pitcher with such pedestrian stuff.

 

I'm thinking people were probably saying the same thing with a great degree of confidence a few years ago with regard to Wily Peralta who has much better stuff than Davies.

[Jenkins5]

If Burns gets back on track, I see absolutely zero reason for him to be AA next year. Up until two un-Burns like starts, it could be argued that he shouldn't even be in AA right now but promoted to AAA. Absolute waste to have someone who dominated a league to ever repeat unless it is AAA and they are blocked

[OnTheBlack]

If Burns gets back on track, I see absolutely zero reason for him to be AA next year. Up until two un-Burns like starts, it could be argued that he shouldn't even be in AA right now but promoted to AAA. Absolute waste to have someone who dominated a league to ever repeat unless it is AAA and they are blocked

 

 

Even if he doesn't see AAA and he starts at AA again next year, there's no reason they can't call him up straight from AA. He's got the stuff, he looks like he's a mature pitcher...seems exactly like the type of guy who would move fast and be in consideration by next year.