September call-ups

[djoctagone]

i'm going to assume the brewers don't want to risk outrighting any other players until after colorado springs' playoff run has ended--it's the only way to ensure they stay active on the aaa roster and not get claimed by another team.

 

but, after the postseason ends, it would make sense to designate yadiel rivera (out of options in 2018) for assignment and add ivan de jesus jr.

 

de jesus jr. has hit well all season, would add a more experienced bat to a very young team and could fill in at many positions.

[bill hAll Star]

Just realized Wily wasn't called up. Thank god. I know he's not on the 40 man but they certainly seemed to make an effort to have him pitch in the bigs earlier this year.

I'm pretty sure Wily is done as a Brewer. No way they pay him $4M next year. They will let him go. And he won't want to be back. He'll want a fresh opportunity - which is what is needed. No point in bringing him back in September -- instead take a look at some of the other guys who could actually be part of the future.

 

I think all that was pretty clear earlier this year but he continued to get starts and was trash, was moved to the bullpen and was trash, and after coming off the DL in a perfect spot to DFA him he was put back in the bullpen and was still trash.

 

He started out pretty well in the rotation and then crashed and burned.

 

I was one that thought he'd be a good 1-2 inning bullpen guy against righties throwing high 90s with his slider. That failed of course.

 

Other than maybe letting him hang around in the bullpen for an extra week or two, I don't really have a problem with how they handled him this year. This was still a developmental year early on and we were seeing what we had at the tail end of team control with Peralta.

 

You can do worse things than try to trot out a guy that can throw high 90s with a good slider out there to see if he can stick in the bullpen.

 

EDIT:

 

His first 3 starts he had a 2.65 ERA. He went 5 outings of getting roughed up but it was against mostly potent offenses.

 

He got moved to the bullpen and looked excellent his first 2 times out. He blew 2 higher leverage games after that and basically was a mop-up guy for 6 or 7 appearances after that and his appearances were pretty much inconsequential.

 

For whatever it's worth, in the bad 5 games he started, they went 3-2 and 1 of those losses was the only game he pitched OK in in that stretch.

 

You can argue they could have pulled the plug a bit earlier on his stay in the rotation, but I'm not sure what options we had around that time. Guerra was hurt, Garza was off-and-on hurt. You can say Hader or Woodruff but that probably wasn't happening.

[Greenleaf1]

Milwaukee Brewers @Brewers 58 seconds ago

The #Brewers have selected the contract of OF Quintin Berry from Triple-A @skysox. RHP Aaron Brooks designated for assignment.

 

Brooks had a rough outing the other day and the Brewers could use a pinch runner that they could easily remove from the 40-man after the season is over. This is a good move.

[JohnBriggs12]

i'm going to assume the brewers don't want to risk outrighting any other players until after colorado springs' playoff run has ended--it's the only way to ensure they stay active on the aaa roster and not get claimed by another team.

 

but, after the postseason ends, it would make sense to designate yadiel rivera (out of options in 2018) for assignment and add ivan de jesus jr.

 

de jesus jr. has hit well all season, would add a more experienced bat to a very young team and could fill in at many positions.

 

I don't think it's happening for de Jesus. With Sogard, Perez, Vogt and Aguilar on the bench most days, they have things covered from both sides of the plate pretty well with guys who have been productive at the major league level this year and that's a pretty experienced group.

[djoctagone]

with the addition of quintin berry, the roster is at 34 players.

[dacbrewers]

Nice loyalty to the existing players like Dejesus, Wren and Orf, who grind it out all year, only to be bypassed by an indy player pickup. Not to impressed with this move.

[And That]

Nice loyalty to the existing players like Dejesus, Wren and Orf, who grind it out all year, only to be bypassed by an indy player pickup. Not to impressed with this move.

Berry is a lot faster than any of those guys. The point with Berry is to use him as a running replacement. He's also easy to take off the roster at the end of the season.

[liveforoctober]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you – however Berry wouldn’t have sniffed our roster if we weren’t in the playoff mix. He has an elite tool that the others don’t. Even guys who run well like Wren have to understand the move.

[KeithStone53151]

Nice loyalty to the existing players like Dejesus, Wren and Orf, who grind it out all year, only to be bypassed by an indy player pickup. Not to impressed with this move.

Berry is a lot faster than any of those guys. The point with Berry is to use him as a running replacement. He's also easy to take off the roster at the end of the season.

 

Spot on. I doubt he even plays defense, he's getting a major league salary for 30 days because he has elite speed. Decent deal for him, he'll probably make more this month than he did the first 5. With all the close games we've been playing, he could be quite valuable. Down 1 or tied in the late innings, if someone can walk or get a single...in theory we put this guy in to steal second(and maybe 3rd) and give us a better chance to get the run home. At minimum, he'll be in the pitchers head and add that much pressure...and likely glide home with ease on anything extra bases.

[dacbrewers]

If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.

[KeithStone53151]

If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.

 

I don't know how fast or how good of a runner Berry is. That ratio is not great. Your point about the track star is silly as you need someone with baseball instincts, stealing bases isn't only about speed. I could understand considering Wren or Dubon for this type of role, but the Brewers clearly thought Berry would be a better fit in this specific role. Maybe it is BS to some degree(I personally don't think so), many of us on this site understand the move though.

[dacbrewers]

And at Rochester AAA earlier this year...3 steal attempts....2 caught stealing....1 stolen base.

[dacbrewers]

If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.

 

I don't know how fast or how good of a runner Berry is. That ratio is not great. Your point about the track star is silly as you need someone with baseball instincts, stealing bases isn't only about speed. I could understand considering Wren or Dubon for this type of role, but the Brewers clearly thought Berry would be a better fit in this specific role. Maybe it is BS to some degree(I personally don't think so), many of us on this site understand the move though.

 

Kyle Wren...26 steals...5 caught stealing.

[dacbrewers]

I just think it alienates your players when you bring in an Indy player and promote him over guys in the Brewers Organization that deserve it more. In actuality, Wren has a better stealing ratio regardless of who is faster.

[And That]

In actuality, Wren has a better stealing ratio regardless of who is faster.

Wren's career SB%: 77.1%

Berry's career SB%: 81.1%

 

Wren's MLB SB%: N/A

Berry's MLB SB%: 96.4%

[KeithStone53151]

If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.

 

I don't know how fast or how good of a runner Berry is. That ratio is not great. Your point about the track star is silly as you need someone with baseball instincts, stealing bases isn't only about speed. I could understand considering Wren or Dubon for this type of role, but the Brewers clearly thought Berry would be a better fit in this specific role. Maybe it is BS to some degree(I personally don't think so), many of us on this site understand the move though.

 

Kyle Wren...26 steals...5 caught stealing.

 

I see your point on Wren, in fairness Berry has 27 steals with 1 caught stealing in his MLB career. He's also stolen over 400 total bases in his baseball career. Looking strictly at the stats isn't enough though. Shaw has 9 steals and no caught stealing...should we have him be our running specialist?

[DocLuna7]

Loyalty doesn't matter nearly as much as who can help the team the most in a playoff push. Berry's numbers at the MLB level suggest a fair amount of success on the basepaths and I will trust Stearns on this one.

[dacbrewers]

How about Wren and Berry race for the roster spot?

[dacbrewers]

Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.

[pacopete4]

So the Brewers get to call up a guy that is a proven base stealer and they do it at the expense of basically nothing. The guy will probably never see an at bat or an inning in the outfield. Is that the role you would want to see Wren in for a month when he could be playing in the AAA playoffs? This is a nothing move for the most part other than it may give us a guy to use in desperation mode to try to score a run to tie a big game. The rest of it screams nothing to see here.

[patrickgpe]

Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.

Im assuming the brewers don't want to put Davis on the 40 and have to remove him for the rule V players. Berry is not a concern and will be gone after the season from the 40

[Outlander]

It seemed likely the Brewers were going to do this after signing him but the guy is almost 33 and likely has lost a step or two since having success in the majors 3-4 years ago. Probably doesn't mean much one way or the other and will only get a few pinch running opportunities without hopefully ever swinging a bat.

[dacbrewers]

Yes, proven in the past. Its not the past anymore. Berry is 2 years older than when he was last in the majors..He didnt get any faster, in reality he got slower. Ask Wren what he thinks...I'm sure he would love a month of major league pay.

[KeithStone53151]

Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.

 

This is probably your best point. Especially considering that Davis is getting old and probably doesn't have much hope to be a MLB regular or anything at this point. But Davis also hasn't seen MLB pitching, it probably makes more sense to take the guy who's proven he can do it in this case than gambling on a AA or AAA player.

[And That]

Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.

The Brewers want to retain Davis after this year. If they add him to the 40-man now, they will have to remove him after the season and risk losing him. Berry will be removed from the 40-man as well, but I assume they don't care about losing him. It is perversely showing some faith in Davis by not adding him right now.

 

Also, and I do not usually put much stock in this but this is the rare exception - I want an experienced guy as a pinch runner. I don't want a foolish baserunning mistake from a guy who is only there to be a base runner.

 

I get your point, and it certainly isn't fair to Davis or Wren, but the Brewers are doing what they believe is best for right now, and for roster construction going forward. And it is in their best interests to do that.