Trade Targets- Starting Pitchers

[Greenleaf1]

So I hadn't realized until recently that our pitching coach was Gray's coach in college. I believe I read an article where Gray described DJ as being "like a father to him", which was quite serious because his father passed away when Gray was in high school.

 

Given that deep connection, I can totally see why the Brewers are going after Gray now, but it also makes me wonder if they think they have a good shot of extending Gray to a team friendly contract if they can trade for him? If that's the case, I could see them being ok with giving up a big package of prospects for him.

[Fear The Chorizo]

"team friendly" does not compute to FA pitchers with injury histories and a frame that doesn't lend itself well to a career much past 30....Sonny will look to get paid when he can by whomever gives him the most paper, as he rightfully should. If Derek Johnson is truly a father figure in Gray's life even to this day, I'd expect him to give him that very same advice.

 

In trying trade for Gray, the Brewers should put zero stock into what his perceived value may be with a "team friendly" extension or what value in prospects he might return via trade should the Brewers flip him down the road. Way too much can happen to a pitcher in two years, and the Brewers have been burned in terms of draft compensation and expected player trade value in the past.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

God I hope someone else overpays. Just like buying a car he's a classic depreciating asset right when you get him. People will say you can flip him for a similar package if you're not competing next year, but I think it's quite plausible to see a 5'10 pitcher's value drop tremendously after turning 28-29.

[billymac]

I mentioned it somewhere else, but Sean Manaea is much more valuable than Sonny Gray, I'd be all over Billy Beane/Forst on him. You never know what the Oakland Management is willing to do.

 

Gray: 5'10" 190 Righty, FA in 2020, 2017 8.4K/9, FIP 3.42

Manaea: 6'5" 245 Lefty, FA in 2023, 2017 9.1K/9 , FIP 3.41

 

I'd happily give away Brinson, a top pitching prospect and a couple other prospects. We would still have a solid farm system and a very good MLB club/Pitching Staff(Manaea, Nelson, Anderson,Davies) that is mostly controlled through 2022. Would not want to give away Brinson for Gray.

 

A lefty starter would be great for Miller Park and to have him for the next 5+ years as a top of the rotation guy

[Eye Black]

I mentioned it somewhere else, but Sean Manaea is much more valuable than Sonny Gray, I'd be all over Billy Beane/Forst on him. You never know what the Oakland Management is willing to do.

 

Gray: 5'10" 190 Righty, FA in 2020, 2017 8.4K/9, FIP 3.42

Manaea: 6'5" 245 Lefty, FA in 2023, 2017 9.1K/9 , FIP 3.41

 

I'd happily give away Brinson, a top pitching prospect and a couple other prospects. We would still have a solid farm system and a very good MLB club/Pitching Staff(Manaea, Nelson, Anderson,Davies) that is mostly controlled through 2022. Would not want to give away Brinson for Gray.

 

A lefty starter would be great for Miller Park and to have him for the next 5+ years as a top of the rotation guy

I am a big Sean Manaea fan. I was able to catch the majority of his start on Sunday and he looked much more comfortable on the mound than what I had remembered. His slider was just nasty and he was locating it well. He looked like a guy who could develop into a #2 starter on a playoff team. The 5.5 years of team control is also obviously enticing. If the Brewers are going to agree to trade either Brinson or Hader for a starter then Manaea is the guy I would love to see the Brewers acquire.

[Lee16]

Is there any indication that Sean Manaea is even available? If so, go for him, quickly, he looks like a great fit. I just can't believe he is available.

[mlloyd10]

Is there any indication that Sean Manaea is even available? If so, go for him, quickly, he looks like a great fit. I just can't believe he is available.

 

 

Why would he be

[A Swing and A Drive]

No Sean Manaea is not available.

 

However, in two years he will be and would be a good trade candidate then, when the Brewers might ACTUALLY be ready to contend.

 

But at that point most BF.netters will be 100% unwilling to trade either of our top two prospects, Jake Gatewood and Monte Harrison, for him. lol

[DocLuna7]

No Sean Manaea is not available.

 

However, in two years he will be and would be a good trade candidate then, when the Brewers might ACTUALLY be ready to contend.

 

But at that point most BF.netters will be 100% unwilling to trade either of our top two prospects, Jake Gatewood and Monte Harrison, for him.

 

Maybe I missed something but if you don't think we are actually in contention now then why trade for Sonny Gray?

[billymac]

Is there any indication that Sean Manaea is even available? If so, go for him, quickly, he looks like a great fit. I just can't believe he is available.

 

 

Why would he be

 

 

Why would Billy Beane trade Josh Donaldson after an MVP season before he hit his arbitration years? Never know what their front office will do.

[Eye Black]

Billy Beane doesn't strike me as the type of GM who says, "no, we would not be willing to discuss player X". I have a feeling if the Brewers threw out names like Brinson, Woodruff, Ray, Dubon, etc. they would at least have the A's attention.

[A Swing and A Drive]

No Sean Manaea is not available.

 

However, in two years he will be and would be a good trade candidate then, when the Brewers might ACTUALLY be ready to contend.

 

But at that point most BF.netters will be 100% unwilling to trade either of our top two prospects, Jake Gatewood and Monte Harrison, for him.

 

Maybe I missed something but if you don't think we are actually in contention now then why trade for Sonny Gray?

 

 

I do think we are in contention now.

 

And think that we should trade prospects for Sonny Gray.

 

That's why actually was a "sarcasm" shade of blue.

[Humans Need Water]

No Sean Manaea is not available.

 

However, in two years he will be and would be a good trade candidate then, when the Brewers might ACTUALLY be ready to contend.

 

But at that point most BF.netters will be 100% unwilling to trade either of our top two prospects, Jake Gatewood and Monte Harrison, for him.

 

Maybe I missed something but if you don't think we are actually in contention now then why trade for Sonny Gray?

If nothing changes then in 2yrs you're looking at Braun, Brinson, Santana, Phillips, Shaw, Arcia, Dubon, Thames, Aguilar, whichever catchers, Hader, Woodruff, Burnes, Ortiz, Davies, Barnes, Knebel (other potential pen arms being Suter, T.Williams, Derby).

 

In 1-2yrs you can trade for a big piece or so from the top prospects - Bickford, Ray, Clark, Diaz, Erceg, Peralta, Hiura, Nottingham, Harrison, Gatewood, Diplan, Ponce, Kodi, Lutz perhaps, (I think Herrera follows the Peralta path) etc....that's more than half of our current Top 25 then add in future top draft picks over next 2yrs as well as any other prospects acquired via trade of MLB players (potentially Nelson, Chase, Guerra, Villar, Perez, Thames, etc)

 

That looks like a terrible position to be in

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Y'all are gonna hate me, but I'd sell if better value is coming back.

[Humans Need Water]

Y'all are gonna hate me, but I'd sell if better value is coming back.

Buying and Selling should always be options if it makes sense in the short-term and long-term. Who would you think about selling

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Y'all are gonna hate me, but I'd sell if better value is coming back.

Buying and Selling should always be options if it makes sense in the short-term and long-term. Who would you think about selling

The reliever market is insane. I'd mainly shop Knebel for someone like Juan Soto maybe Robles if the Nats are desperate enough. I think this team has a chance at the playoffs albeit small, but I just can't see a scenario where the Brewers aren't washed by the Dodgers or Nats.

[Humans Need Water]

Y'all are gonna hate me, but I'd sell if better value is coming back.

Buying and Selling should always be options if it makes sense in the short-term and long-term. Who would you think about selling

The reliever market is insane. I'd mainly shop Knebel for someone like Juan Soto maybe Robles if the Nats are desperate enough. I think this team has a chance at the playoffs albeit small, but I just can't see a scenario where the Brewers aren't washed by the Dodgers or Nats.

I'd keep Knebel but your thought process makes sense overall and I agree with it. I knew the Brewers could be a 500 area team but it's only a matter of time before the Cubs figure it out and surpass us, nobody should be shocked by that. It's about putting this team in the best position long-term to consistently compete for the division and make playoff runs. Knebel has a lot of control and Robles is an immense talent. I don't see Stearns doing it given Knebel has a lot of control and because we're close to becoming that consistent playoff caliber team. He can use Knebel for 2-3yrs still then trade him for an absurd return so he gets the best of both worlds.

[3and2Fastball]

It would an amazing return for Knebel if the Brewers went that route

[Mudville9]

If we got Robles, we could include whatever OF Billy Beane wants for Mannea! I love fantasy baseball!

 

While I would love such a move, I don't think MA would give DS the green light when we are in a pennant race. We have the lead now, but we have three better (on paper at least) teams breathing down our neck. If we had a better bullpen besides Kneubel I would be all over something like this. I think without him, we completely fall apart.

[Jenkins5]

O's are opened to selling... probably need to blow them away to get them to part with some of their controlable arms. 2 of their top arms have not been great in Gausman & Bundy. Doubt they are willing to trade Bundy despite injuries & his fastball average velocity losing 4-5 mph this season. The Rockies checked in on both

 

Gausman is controlled through 2020

Bundy is controlled through 2021

 

Their relievers I am more interested in:

Britton through 2018

Givens through 2021

Hart through 2022 (outstanding LOOGY)

Castillo through 2023

 

Britton & maybe Gausman are only 2 I could see them maybe parting with on my list but worth looking into

[superfly]

Y'all are gonna hate me, but I'd sell if better value is coming back.

Buying and Selling should always be options if it makes sense in the short-term and long-term. Who would you think about selling

The reliever market is insane. I'd mainly shop Knebel for someone like Juan Soto maybe Robles if the Nats are desperate enough. I think this team has a chance at the playoffs albeit small, but I just can't see a scenario where the Brewers aren't washed by the Dodgers or Nats.

 

Despite a money filled roster and big names, the Dodgers haven't had a ton to show for it the past few years. Washington I would be more afraid of, but they aren't invincible either.

[LouisEly]

The Cubs have gutted their farm system adding Quintana, Chapman, Montgomery, Davis, etc. Lester and Arrieta are on the wrong side of 30 and have regressed. Lackey is probably done. Montgomery has been bad as a starter. They are going to have to dip from their major league roster to add another starter, and Schwarber has negative defensive value. It will cost more than Happ if they want to add a starter under 30 with control.

 

I could see them willing to take on Samardzjia's contract though, which they can get for Happ.

[nate82]

I could see them willing to take on Samardzjia's contract though, which they can get for Happ.

 

That is a steep price for Samardzija.