Trade Targets- Starting Pitchers

[KCBrewerfan34]

Stearns is smart, he's waiting to see who becomes available, what if the Mets make DeGrom available ( I would empty for him) or if Darvish becomes available. Gray may be the best option now but things can change in a week or 2. If TB tanks maybe Archer is available (also would empty for him). I think many of us want to go for this but this deadline seems pretty fluid. Give Stearns about 10-14 business days. Now relievers if he can get Ramos or Neshek you pull the trigger quickly as long as you're not trading upper echeleon prospects.

 

I still maintain Yelich would look great in CF

[A Swing and A Drive]

Darvish WILL become available and likely is alreay, but it doesn't make as much sense for the Brewers to pay a steep price for a 2 month rental.

 

deGrom...not happening.

 

I think the guys that make the most sense of the Brewers are Sonny Gray, Marcus Stroman or Dan Sraily.

 

Yelich in CF makes zero sense for a multitude of reasons.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Yelich replaces Broxton, broxton could go in the trade. You don't like .360 OBP?

 

You have no idea what Texas would ask. He won't bring a Quintana haul because YD is a strict rental.

[nate82]

Stearns is smart, he's waiting to see who becomes available, what if the Mets make DeGrom available ( I would empty for him) or if Darvish becomes available. Gray may be the best option now but things can change in a week or 2. If TB tanks maybe Archer is available (also would empty for him). I think many of us want to go for this but this deadline seems pretty fluid. Give Stearns about 10-14 business days. Now relievers if he can get Ramos or Neshek you pull the trigger quickly as long as you're not trading upper echeleon prospects.

 

I still maintain Yelich would look great in CF

 

The best pitcher available right now is definitely not Gray. The Pirates have made Gerrit Cole available but it is going to take a lot to get him and the Brewers don't really match up all that well with the Pirates unless you are looking at making the headline being Hader and Burnes plus others.

[adambr2]

Yelich replaces Broxton, broxton could go in the trade. You don't like .360 OBP?

 

You have no idea what Texas would ask. He won't bring a Quintana haul because YD is a strict rental.

 

The Rangers are 2 games out of the WC. They're not just going to give Darvish away. Maybe not a Quintana price, but still significant prospects for a rental which is not a business Stearns wants to be in.

[LouisEly]

I personally think the best bets are Samardzjia and Verlander, because the Brewers have the ability to take on significant salary which will lower the price in prospects, and both are signed for multiple seasons so the Brewers could trade either this offseason or next deadline and get most of what they paid back.

 

Verlander is 34 and owed $28M for each of next two seasons plus remainder of 2017 (~$13M) so it won't take that much to acquire him.

 

Verlander + cash to cover most of Verlander's remaining 2017 salary ($10M) for Ray + Dubon + two of Wilkerson/Lopez/Derby I think is a good starting point. Kinsler is 35 and has a $5M buyout after this season (or one season at $12M left) and Iglesias hasn't been anything special and is a FA in 2019, so Dubon has value to them. Wilkerson can move right into the ML rotation. Change of scenery might do Lopez good.

[TURBO]

I just can't see giving up that much for Verlander, when the Tigers are going nowhere. Verlander is on the downside of his career, obviously, and with the Tigers having no possible playoff shot in the near future, they should be dying to shed that bloated salary. Giving up those prospects PLUS paying off his salary is an absolute rip-off for us.

 

I really, REALLY hope we don't even kick his tires for an offer like that.

[trwi7]

Verlander is pitching like crap. If we take on his whole salary and give up a couple of nothing prospects to gamble that he becomes a 3 starter or something, that's fine but I'm not giving up anything of value for him. Ray and Dubon is an insane price for him.

[adambr2]

The Tigers want a big return without eating any contract. They won't get that, but they are wanting a premium return for him. He's been a franchise player for them for more than a decade, and they're not looking to give him away, just like we haven't been looking to give Braun away even when rebuilding.

 

Verlander's contract, NTC, recent production, age, and value put on him by the Tigers make him a very poor trade match for anyone let alone us.

[danzig6767]

Verlander is pitching like crap. If we take on his whole salary and give up a couple of nothing prospects to gamble that he becomes a 3 starter or something, that's fine but I'm not giving up anything of value for him. Ray and Dubon is an insane price for him.

I agree.

 

Samardzjia at least has good secondary numbers, he's just given up a lot of home rums, 18 in 118 innings. I wouldn't give up to much in prospects for him either since he's owed 60 million and is 32, but i'd trade for him before Verlander without a second thought.

[SRB]

I'm not interested in Fulmer given the likely price. He will be valued like an ace but his K/9 and advanced metrics are less elite and thus somewhat worrisome.

[HighHeat19]

If we are giving up our top prospects than give us DeGrom or keep what we have. Were going to get burned with the likes of Gray, Verlander or any of these mid to mediocre level guys.

[LouisEly]

I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

 

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.

[wallus]

I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

 

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.

 

When I watch Jungmann pitch I don't see an MLB pitcher.

[OnTheBlack]

I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

 

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.

 

 

Not by me. He's had really good stretches before. I'd rather give him a few starts than make some of these proposed moves. He has pitched well in Colorado Springs this year..for whatever that's worth.

 

It's really too bad that Peralta can't pitch with Nelson's aggressive approach. His stuff is as good. He's just constantly trying to nibble..which makes no sense to me with a mid 90's fastball that has good life. But I think we've seen the last of him. Probably both of them, but I do agree, at least give Jungman a shot if you need a starter.

 

 

I also do like the idea of waiting a couple weeks. I'd like to see if the last 3 games by the Cubs were their bats starting to wake up or them facing a bad team.

[mlloyd10]

Alex Cobb anyone? 2.19 ERA last 7 starts - But he is more of a fly ball SP now

[A Swing and A Drive]

Alex Cobb anyone? 2.19 ERA last 7 starts - But he is more of a fly ball SP now

 

Nice thought but with the Rays only 2 games back in the AL EAST, I don't think he'd be on the block.

[mlloyd10]

Alex Cobb anyone? 2.19 ERA last 7 starts - But he is more of a fly ball SP now

 

Nice thought but with the Rays only 2 games back in the AL EAST, I don't think he'd be on the block.

 

Thinking was they could bring up Honeywell then - Broxton for Cobb - We bring up Brinson

[A Swing and A Drive]

Bob Nightengale is now reporting that the Marlins will not be shopping several star players this deadline, including Dan Straily.

 

I'll go ahead and take Straily off the trade target list.

[JohnBriggs12]

If we are giving up our top prospects than give us DeGrom or keep what we have. Were going to get burned with the likes of Gray, Verlander or any of these mid to mediocre level guys.

 

You just cannot put Gray and Verlander in the same category or deGrom for that matter. Gray is just entering his prime and is pitching extremely well right now (3 ER allowed in last 4 starts). Verlander is well past his prime and not pitching well now. When fully healthy Gray's been the equal of deGrom if you consider he's been in the AL. deGrom would cost more in prospects if he were available (he's not) because he has 2 more years of control than Gray has not because his future is any more certain. Gray's 2014 and 2015 numbers were outstanding. He was injured in 2016 and is just now rounding into his 14-15 form.

 

Gray might not get the Brewers to the playoffs this year, but he gives them a shot this year and next year which is something they weren't expecting, and if he performs well and the team doesn't, he'll still have considerable trade value where the Brewers can recover most of the value in prospects they surrender this year.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Great post John Briggs!

 

Use prospects now to land Gray.

 

In the offseason, trade one of Santana, Villar or Broxton to re-stock farm assests.

 

Their is some risk involved but the potential reward (playoffs) outweighs it, IMHO.

[JohnBriggs12]

I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

 

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.

 

When I watch Jungmann pitch I don't see an MLB pitcher.

 

Depends on when you looked. Jungmann was solid for 15 or so starts just 2 years ago, and he's been very good at AAA this year. He's no prime prospect but he fits very well as a 3rd piece in a Gray trade as he could step into their rotation right now. Having a guy like that in the offer might help swing a deal in their direction or allow you too not give up quite as much with the top pieces. As far as his Brewer future, only if they fall too far behind and want to look at 2018 candidates in September.

[KeithStone53151]

I know I'm going to get roasted by a certain contingent of posters, but Jungmann has been pitching really well lately. Why not give him a couple of starts before the deadline to see if they really need to unload prospects for Gray/Happ/Verlander/whoever.

 

Or maybe he is a part of that trade package that allows the Brewers to keep their big 5 pitching prospects. Jungmann and Wilkerson can step into a major league rotation right away.

 

When I watch Jungmann pitch I don't see an MLB pitcher.

 

Depends on when you looked. Jungmann was solid for 15 or so starts just 2 years ago, and he's been very good at AAA this year. He's no prime prospect but he fits very well as a 3rd piece in a Gray trade as he could step into their rotation right now. Having a guy like that in the offer might help swing a deal in their direction or allow you too not give up quite as much with the top pieces. As far as his Brewer future, only if they fall too far behind and want to look at 2018 candidates in September.

 

When Jungmann's mechanics are working and he's hitting 94-95 with his fastball, he's an MLB caliber pitcher. That's what we saw 2 years ago. When he's sitting very low 90s and can't spot his pitches, he can't even have success in AA. That's what we saw last year. I agree with Briggs and like the idea of dealing Jungmann whether we can get good value for him or not as I'm not willing to deal with his stretches of mechanics being out of sync.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I'd say at this point Jungmann could be a 5th piece type throw in to a deal with a team like the A's.

 

It would be more of a favor to Jungmann, so he could go to a team that would be possibly be able to give him an opportunity to salvage a career at some point.

 

He will not really be worth a spot on our 40-man roster very soon.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Didn't we just restock the minor league system with 25-30 guys from the draft?