Trade Targets- Starting Pitchers

[KCBrewerfan34]

Hamels and Darvish could becoming available per Rotoworld. Hmm......

[Lathund]

I think the price, even for the rental that it is, for Darvish is going to be too high for us to even really consider it. But I sure would love to see him throw those breaking pitches of his in a Brewers uniform.

[Oldcity]

There are a lot of players who will be available. I'd be willing to pay big (so Brinson and a lot more) for Archer, Stroman, or Fulmer. If the Brewers don't want to gut the system, there are still plenty of options. I also won't be upset if they don't acquire a starting pitcher. The trade today for Webb is already a move to help the big league team. I am plenty good with lower key deals like that.

 

Basically, I don't think there's really a wrong play for the Brewers, short of giving up big prospects for a rental player, which I don't believe Stearns would ever do. Nice position in which to be.

[NievesNoNO]

If the Marlins start trading of OFs the Brewers might be a good fit to ship some young ones back. I'd have some interest in a Straily+Phelps deal.

[FmrBeerMan]

I know it is not the sexy pickup but I would grab Trevor Cahill. Can pitch out of the rotation until (Guerra, Chase, Woodruff) come back and then can just shift over to the pen and solidify things there.

 

Bargain basement price and has playoff experience with being on 2015 cubs team.

[Ennder]

Braves call and say Julio Teheran for Villar - Do you do it? Both Buy low guys

 

Braves do have Albies at AAA though

 

I probably do because Villar is such a moron when it comes to understanding baseball. But lets be real here, there is almost no chance Teheran is an above average pitcher. He has pitched enough innings that he has probably showed his true talent level. He has a well below average K rate in that time. He has proven to be homer prone and is a fly ball pitcher. He isn't the type that heavily suppresses hard contact. There is no reason to expect him to be better long term than say Chase Anderson. The park was heavily deflating his ERA but no reason to expect that lasts.

[trwi7]

Braves call and say Julio Teheran for Villar - Do you do it? Both Buy low guys

 

Braves do have Albies at AAA though

 

Yes, unfortunately the Braves aren't on crack.

[Humans Need Water]

Or I could have simply responded...

 

"Why do you believe humans need water?"

Fact: humans indeed need water so why would you even ask it to begin with

 

The Brewers, however, don't "need" a high level SP like you only suggest they target hence the question (and I did say in my 2nd post I should have rephrased to "high level" vs a SP in general but why would you pay attention to that!)

 

I do enjoy the Kewshaw remarks though because it speaks directly to the overall point I made, which you still won't grasp after this

[JosephC]

Cole Hamels should be added to the first post.

[brewcrewdue80]

Still just on board with JA Happ trade if we can't get by with Woodruff. Nothing else really excites me without some work on salary or a lower prospect tradeaway. Happ has his stretches while not being terrible in other stretches. Modest salary hit with an offseason to maybe trade him for 80 cents on the dollar you spent renting him.

[billymac]

Cubs were reportedly asking Detroit about Michael Fulmer and were willing to part with Schwarber. Now Tigers are said to be searching for their CF of the future and rejected the Cubs. If Fulmer were available, the asking price would be enormous, but Brewers have the CF in Brinson that might interest the Tigers but don't think him alone gets it done. Question is what else would they want? Davies? Woodruff?

 

It appears that the Tigers have not-great OF depth in their organization. The current stats bear it out; it's mentioned in Detroit-centric sports columns. Additionally, Justin Upton has an opt-out clause in his contract after the 2017 season, which could be exercised if he turns it up the rest of the season and thinks he can be an attractive free agent.

 

That would make Brinson a key piece in any potential trade with Detroit. I'd suggest that any trade for Fulmer would involve several OF prospects.

 

Additionally, the Tigers trading away a young starting pitcher would hurt their pitching rotation. I'd expect they would have interest in a young major league starter or a near major-league ready starter.

 

The Tigers infield is also aging with Kinsler at 2B and Romine playing UT. So a major league or near major-league ready infielder might be sought.

 

So throwing that all together, I'd think we'd be looking at something like this:

Fulmer = Brinson, Phillips, Dubon/Villar, and Davies/Woodruff.

 

MLB trade rumors said Detroit wanted both Baez and Happ from the Cubs for Fulmer. Would a package with Brinson/Villar get it done? I'd do that in a heart beat

[reillymcshane]

Cubs were reportedly asking Detroit about Michael Fulmer and were willing to part with Schwarber. Now Tigers are said to be searching for their CF of the future and rejected the Cubs. If Fulmer were available, the asking price would be enormous, but Brewers have the CF in Brinson that might interest the Tigers but don't think him alone gets it done. Question is what else would they want? Davies? Woodruff?

 

It appears that the Tigers have not-great OF depth in their organization. The current stats bear it out; it's mentioned in Detroit-centric sports columns. Additionally, Justin Upton has an opt-out clause in his contract after the 2017 season, which could be exercised if he turns it up the rest of the season and thinks he can be an attractive free agent.

 

That would make Brinson a key piece in any potential trade with Detroit. I'd suggest that any trade for Fulmer would involve several OF prospects.

 

Additionally, the Tigers trading away a young starting pitcher would hurt their pitching rotation. I'd expect they would have interest in a young major league starter or a near major-league ready starter.

 

The Tigers infield is also aging with Kinsler at 2B and Romine playing UT. So a major league or near major-league ready infielder might be sought.

 

So throwing that all together, I'd think we'd be looking at something like this:

Fulmer = Brinson, Phillips, Dubon/Villar, and Davies/Woodruff.

 

MLB trade rumors said Detroit wanted both Baez and Happ from the Cubs for Fulmer. Would a package with Brinson/Villar get it done? I'd do that in a heart beat

 

Happ and Baez are worth more than Villar/Brinson. If Detroit came and offered Fulmer for Brinson and Villlar - you do it as fast as possible.

[LouisEly]

The most I'd be willing to pay for Fulmer is Brinson, Ortiz, Ray, and maybe a throw-in 25-35 system-ranked low level prospect (Orimoloye/Supak/Zack Brown/Zach Clark/Lara/etc.). Woodruff/Hader/Burnes are off the table. Trade with someone who needs OFs, they'll value the Brewers prospects more.

 

The thing going for the Brewers is that there is potentially a big supply of starters available. Look at the first post in the topic. Econ 101 - increasing supply decreases price. Someone asks too much, move on to someone else.

 

As I've mentioned before, there are only three ways to acquire starting pitching:

1) Draft (draft is for building your team 6 years out)

2) Give up talent

3) Take on age/injury/salary/performance risk

 

Draft isn't an option for now, so it's either #2 or #3.

[wallus]

I really think we get either Darvish or Hamels.

[NievesNoNO]

Fulmer will command more than I care to give up. I mean if he's actually available, he'd be one of the few guys I could understand paying a premium for.

[brewmann04]

I think that DS will get a pitcher without trading any pitchers.

[superfly]

Darvish would be fun, but I don't see us being able to pay him this offseason so it would be worthless to me. Nor should we necessarily at what he'll command at age 30.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Sonny Gray tonight...

 

6 IP 2 H 0 ER 1 BB 5K W

 

Pulled at 100 pitches

[brewmann04]

If DS gets a starter it be someone that not being really talked about

[brewcrewdue80]

Sonny Gray tonight...

 

6 IP 2 H 0 ER 1 BB 5K W

 

Pulled at 100 pitches

 

 

Awful lot of pitches for 2hits 1walk and only 5k.

[JohnBriggs12]

Sonny Gray tonight...

 

6 IP 2 H 0 ER 1 BB 5K W

 

Pulled at 100 pitches

 

 

Awful lot of pitches for 2hits 1walk and only 5k.

 

I'd take 6 shutout innings from my starter and take my chances with the pen any day. Besides he didn't face the opposing pitcher a couple of times.

[MrTPlush]

Sonny Gray tonight...

 

6 IP 2 H 0 ER 1 BB 5K W

 

Pulled at 100 pitches

 

 

Awful lot of pitches for 2hits 1walk and only 5k.

 

Yah we better continue rolling out Guerra/Davies. 4 ERs in 5 innnings with a couple homers at least makes sense.

[pacopete4]

Sonny Gray tonight...

 

6 IP 2 H 0 ER 1 BB 5K W

 

Pulled at 100 pitches

 

 

Awful lot of pitches for 2hits 1walk and only 5k.

 

Yah we better continue rolling out Guerra/Davies. 4 ERs in 5 innnings with a couple homers at least makes sense.

 

For what we may pay to get Gray, fine by me. Seems to be working.

[MrTPlush]

 

For what we may pay to get Gray, fine by me. Seems to be working.

 

It won't for long. Brewrers need to acquire a starter somehow regardless. Not sure I want Sonny Gray, but who knows what the price ends up being. If we are going to trade away a major chunk of our prospects I'd prefer something less risky than that of Gray. That being said I think people are being waaaay too critical of Gray over one year. There is some risk there, but a ton of upside. If I could get a deal done without Brinson/Hader I would be all over it. He may command one of them though and I just don't know about that.

[pacopete4]

 

For what we may pay to get Gray, fine by me. Seems to be working.

 

It won't for long. Brewrers need to acquire a starter somehow regardless. Not sure I want Sonny Gray, but who knows what the price ends up being. If we are going to trade away a major chunk of our prospects I'd prefer something less risky than that of Gray. That being said I think people are being waaaay too critical of Gray over one year. There is some risk there, but a ton of upside. If I could get a deal done without Brinson/Hader I would be all over it. He may command one of them though and I just don't know about that.

 

Yeah I'm right there with you on the way you're thinking. I just don't want to blow our wad on above average. Elite, sure. But just not sure that's to be had this trading season.