Brinson

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

With Braun's injuries, Thames poor outfield play and Broxton's streakiness, I think Brinson needs to be recalled and given more of an opportunity. Perez can still be a super sub but the outfield situation needs to improve. If it costs Villar a roster spot so be it.

[pacopete4]

Pump the brakes a bit. Villar is going no where and shouldn't. This also could've been put in the people you'd like to see be called up thread.

[adambr2]

The only way Brinson was going to stay up is if he forced the issue by playing well. He didn't.

 

We aren't in a position to be auditioning guys right now. Good chance Brinson will make a fine MLB player one day, but the day of him being an MLB regular has been pushed back to 2018, and that's fine .

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

What's the option if Braun is hurt off and on and Broxton is struggling? Thames can not handle the wear and tear in LF. Who subs for Broxton in CF? If Brinson struggles again you can still make a move before the deadline.

[Oxy]

Brinson and Phillips will be up in September. Perez is fine as a spot starter in left and center until then. If a DL stint is necessary for any of the 3 regulars, we'll bring one of them up to fill that everyday vacancy at that time.

[Humans Need Water]

What's the option if Braun is hurt off and on and Broxton is struggling? Thames can not handle the wear and tear in LF. Who subs for Broxton in CF? If Brinson struggles again you can still make a move before the deadline.

So you want Brinson up because you want to play the "what if" game? That's not how it works. Perez is the 4th OF at this point because none of the starting OF is on the DL.

[adambr2]

What's the option if Braun is hurt off and on and Broxton is struggling? Thames can not handle the wear and tear in LF. Who subs for Broxton in CF? If Brinson struggles again you can still make a move before the deadline.

 

Broxton will break out of if and go on a tear like he does every time. Either you have to live with his highs and lows or trade him. It's futile to try to time it.

 

I'd have no problem with another everyday bench option for the OF but if so I'd prefer Cordell while Brinson and Phillips play every day in AAA.

[tmwiese55]

We have a fine backup in Perez for the spot starts as needed. I'd rather see Brinson playing everyday in AAA unless someone gets hurt to free up some PT for him.

[DHonks]

Broxton will outperform Brinson for the near future. Down the road, it could be the other way

[CheezWizHed]

Pump the brakes a bit.

 

This actually makes your anti-lock brakes less effective.

[rcc]

I don't think Brinson is ready. Perez can be the 4th outfielder.

[Brewer Fever]

I don't think Brinson is ready. Perez can be the 4th outfielder.

 

Lol, small sample alert. I have very little doubt that if Brinson was brought up for good and given an everyday spot, he'd very quickly outproduce Broxton.

 

The conclusions drawn on so little never cease to amaze me.

[Roderick]

I don't think Brinson is ready. Perez can be the 4th outfielder.

 

Lol, small sample alert. I have very little doubt that if Brinson was brought up for good and given an everyday spot, he'd very quickly outproduce Broxton.

 

The conclusions drawn on so little never cease to amaze me.

 

Well he was just saying what he thought, and didn't reference anything that would equate to a small sample size.

 

Basically, I agree that over the course of the remainder of this season, at this point, I would stick with Broxton and keep Brinson with every day at bats in AAA.

 

I'm not amazed at your conclusion, but I like to keep an open mind.

[reillymcshane]

Brinson has such enormous potential that I would have no problem bringing him up again if we needed another OF and the club thinks he is ready or near ready. He looked overmatched in his first stint, but the talent is there. He is going to have growing pains, whether we bring him up next week or a month or a year from now. The payoff is (hopefully) a guy hitting his stride come September and ready to contribute for the playoffs.

 

Obviously the club would have to live with his growing pains - but that's the risk you take. The good part is that he could contribute defensively right from the get go. It could compensate a bit for his bat if he struggles for a while. And then, when the bat comes around, you have someone who could be a difference maker in a playoff race (and the playoffs).

 

To me the question is what do the Brewers have in Broxton. I was cautiously optimistic about the guy coming into the season. I figured if he could hit .250 with some power and quality defense, he'd be a great CF. Offensively, he's been okay. What's disappointed has been his defense, which was so good last year. He's looked pretty mediocre this year - a few highlight reel plays here and there, but otherwise, lots of smaller mistakes, including poor routes and slow jumps. I believe Brinson (or Phillips) would be an upgrade in the field.

 

What I could see happening is if by the end of the month Broxton is still still struggling with the bat and on defense, the team could send him down to AAA to work on his game. They then give Brinson a full time shot in CF for a month. At that time, they make a call on Keon. Perhaps the stint at AAA would help him - just like it did last year. Just a thought.

[tmwiese55]

If the team is still winning and in first i can't see the team taking the risk of sending down their starting CF (assuming roughly the same play he's been giving now) and risk starting a rookie. Broxton is streaky but his power and speed still contributes and when he's hitting 7th or 8th a 20 hr /30 SB guys with a .750ish OPS isn't too bad. Brinson's chance will come with an OF injury or if Broxton hits one of those brutal cold spells. Of course it's just as likely he hits one of those hot streaks he can go on that carries them for 6-10 games.

[jerichoholicninja]

If Brinson is coming up this year he needs to play every day. No point in wasting service and development time for him as a bench 4th outfielder. Even with Broxton's total feast or famine play, I'd prefer to stick with him and hope the feasts become more common.

[rcc]

I don't think Brinson is ready. Perez can be the 4th outfielder.

 

Lol, small sample alert. I have very little doubt that if Brinson was brought up for good and given an everyday spot, he'd very quickly outproduce Broxton.

 

The conclusions drawn on so little never cease to amaze me.

 

My opinion and if it amazes you so be it. Do you think Brinson hit the ball well when he was up? He was overmatched.

[Humans Need Water]

I don't think Brinson is ready. Perez can be the 4th outfielder.

 

Lol, small sample alert. I have very little doubt that if Brinson was brought up for good and given an everyday spot, he'd very quickly outproduce Broxton.

 

The conclusions drawn on so little never cease to amaze me.

 

My opinion and if it amazes you so be it. Do you think Brinson hit the ball well when he was up? He was overmatched.

I wish someone would be amazed by anything I said!!

 

I don't think Brinson was over-matched. I think his lack of production was a combination of being too passive and nervous to start combined with inconsistent PT (start one night, off the bench late the next, etc). It's a different routine than he's ever known. As his time went on he looked better in his ABs actually and was making solid contact.

 

If Stearns stayed with Broxton and just brings Brinson up in Sept I'm cool with it as I like Broxton. But if he decided to use Broxton to bring an arm at the deadline having Brinson take over every day I'm cool with that too as I think Brinson is an immediate upgrade when playing every day.

[adambr2]

I don't think Brinson is ready. Perez can be the 4th outfielder.

 

Lol, small sample alert. I have very little doubt that if Brinson was brought up for good and given an everyday spot, he'd very quickly outproduce Broxton.

 

The conclusions drawn on so little never cease to amaze me.

 

You say that the conclusions draw on so little never cease to amaze you while literally concluding that Brinson would outproduce Broxton quickly.

 

Maybe he would, I really don't know. But if the Brewer organization was as certain as you, he'd be our starting CFer now. There would be no reason not to especially in contention.

[Humans Need Water]

I don't think Brinson is ready. Perez can be the 4th outfielder.

 

Lol, small sample alert. I have very little doubt that if Brinson was brought up for good and given an everyday spot, he'd very quickly outproduce Broxton.

 

The conclusions drawn on so little never cease to amaze me.

 

You say that the conclusions draw on so little never cease to amaze you while literally concluding that Brinson would outproduce Broxton quickly.

 

Maybe he would, I really don't know. But if the Brewer organization was as certain as you, he'd be our starting CFer now. There would be no reason not to especially in contention.

Do you honestly not believe a Top 15 prospect who's killed it at every level in the minors (typically young for level by at least 1.5yrs) that has all the tools to be an AS CF could quickly outproduce a a guy slashing 227/304/755? Broxton not exactly setting a high bar here and I'm saying this as someone who likes him. Brinson's numbers are gaudy (in part to CS) but he's also hitting 264/365/865 on the road in AAA. He's rather consistent too, unlike Broxton.

 

And the Brewers org is certain, which is why Brinson is going to be the CF of the future and not Broxton. But there could be several reasons he's not inserted right now. 1) Broxton's not exactly a bum 2) Maybe they don't want to mess with what's working on the field given they're in 1st 3) Maybe they don't want to mess with the team chemistry/clubhouse culture having Broxton sit on the bench 4) Maybe they're waiting until the deadline to trade/package Broxton for an arm (would have less of a chemistry impact given everyone knows when you're in the hunt you need to shore up weaknesses and potentially use MLB players to do so, plus it makes sense given the crowded OF situation at the top levels) 5) Maybe they want Broxton to play a full season and perform as an average starter or better making him more valuable to trade in the off-season given his 5yrs control, which would also strengthen the bench in Sept with Brinson/Phillips on it

 

There's plenty of logical reasons. Rewind 1yr and Brinson would already be the every day CF.

[Ennder]

Broxton is on pace for 1.6 WAR on the season and over his first full season in the majors has put up a 2.8 WAR. He has been somewhere between slightly below league average to quite a bit above league average. I am not confident in any first year player beating those marks.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Do you honestly not believe a Top 15 prospect who's killed it at every level in the minors (typically young for level by at least 1.5yrs) that has all the tools to be an AS CF could quickly outproduce a a guy slashing 227/304/755? Broxton not exactly setting a high bar here and I'm saying this as someone who likes him. Brinson's numbers are gaudy (in part to CS) but he's also hitting 264/365/865 on the road in AAA. He's rather consistent too, unlike Broxton.

 

And the Brewers org is certain, which is why Brinson is going to be the CF of the future and not Broxton. But there could be several reasons he's not inserted right now. 1) Broxton's not exactly a bum 2) Maybe they don't want to mess with what's working on the field given they're in 1st 3) Maybe they don't want to mess with the team chemistry/clubhouse culture having Broxton sit on the bench 4) Maybe they're waiting until the deadline to trade/package Broxton for an arm (would have less of a chemistry impact given everyone knows when you're in the hunt you need to shore up weaknesses and potentially use MLB players to do so, plus it makes sense given the crowded OF situation at the top levels) 5) Maybe they want Broxton to play a full season and perform as an average starter or better making him more valuable to trade in the off-season given his 5yrs control, which would also strengthen the bench in Sept with Brinson/Phillips on it

 

There's plenty of logical reasons. Rewind 1yr and Brinson would already be the every day CF.

Top prospects struggle all the time. Take Byron Buxton of the Twins. Was a top 10 prospect in all of baseball, killed it in the minors and now is in year 3 and still struggling in the majors. I'll take Broxton at 750 OPS.

[adambr2]

Do you honestly not believe a Top 15 prospect who's killed it at every level in the minors (typically young for level by at least 1.5yrs) that has all the tools to be an AS CF could quickly outproduce a a guy slashing 227/304/755?

 

I don't know if he could quickly outproduce Broxton or not. That's why I literally said, "I don't know."

 

Broxton not exactly setting a high bar here and I'm saying this as someone who likes him. Brinson's numbers are gaudy (in part to CS) but he's also hitting 264/365/865 on the road in AAA. He's rather consistent too, unlike Broxton.

 

Consistency isn't as big of a deal as some make it out to be. If Player A and Player B are statistically identical at the end of the year, only Player A got there consistently, while Player B had various hot and cold stretches, both have still produced the same value.

 

And the Brewers org is certain, which is why Brinson is going to be the CF of the future and not Broxton. But there could be several reasons he's not inserted right now. 1) Broxton's not exactly a bum

 

Before you said Broxton isn't exactly setting a high bar here, now you say Broxton's not exactly a bum. So what is it, should he be replaced or not?

 

2) Maybe they don't want to mess with what's working on the field given they're in 1st

3) Maybe they don't want to mess with the team chemistry/clubhouse culture having Broxton sit on the bench

 

Tell these reasons to Jett Bandy. Not buying it. They've made plenty of personnel moves and tinkered with the roster since they've been in 1st. Keon Broxton is still the starting CF'er for the Brewers because at this point and time the organization still feels that he gives them a better shot at winning games than Brinson or Phillips as the everyday guy.

 

I think you're putting way, way too much stock in an immediate impact from Brinson based on his minor league numbers and prospect status. We've been spoiled this year by Aaron Judge and Cody Bellinger, but not every high ranked rookie prospect makes that immediate of an impact that quickly. Arcia made very little positive impact the last half of 2016. Rickie Weeks was as can't miss of a prospect as we've had this century, and he produced negative WAR his first full season, and less than 1 his second. Brad Nelson was a top 25 prospect. If you want to put Brinson's first season WAR prediction over the 2.8 that Ender pointed out that Broxton has had, go ahead, but it's far less of a slam dunk than you seem to indicate.

 

Small sample, but I also didn't get the sense that Brinson's defense is MLB-ready, certainly not to the extent that Arcia's was when we promoted him.

[Jenkins5]

Uber athletic CFs tend to struggle with transition. Not in all cases of course. Bruxton is perfect example of this. To me Brinson's road numbers are troubling with the argument of him lighting up triple A... Don't think .270 with .860 ops prove hes so dominant that he is going to come up and outperform. Those aren't bad numbers of course but not dominant.

 

I love Brinson. I'm excited for him! However, there is no certainty that he will outperform Broxton. Keon has proven himself at this level. He is ultra steaky like Weeks, yes. But.... like Weeks, when he is clicking, few are better. He is a gifted player who is still growing. Brinson got an unfair shake for success when he was up last time but did little to jump out & show he deserved more PT in chances he got. This is a 1st place team. Do we want a guy that we know what we are getting or roll dice & hope Brinson will make jump right away?

 

In the end, Santana is an anchor right now who won't sit much. Braun gets his days off but is important elite bat when in lineup. Broxton offers plenty right now to start. Unless Braun is on DL, there is just no place for Brinson to get enough ABs consistently. Keon hasn't deserved to be bench for a player who showed very little when given his first shot (unfair, yes) no matter how talented he is. Broxton is also extremely talented but has track record.

 

I'm on board with a Cordell call up. He is 25 already & see what he offers. same time, outside of still refusing to walk, I think Perez is fine covering.

 

We all love Brinson but there is no rush. He will get his chance in time. Pump the breaks a bit. It is more common for an elite prospect to struggle at first than it is for them to be Bellinger or Lindor & explode.

[igor67]

Buxton is not a good comparable for what people want. It is very clear that the Twin really rushed him, as in only 59 plate appearances in AAA before promoting him and the year before that he only posted a combined .702 OPS across the Fall league, A+ and AA non of which had a good stat line. Brinson has been hitting in AAA since 2015. I'm sympathetic to not wanting to mess with something that is working, because any big strikeout guy is prone to look horrible for stretches. Having said that I would not be at all offended if there was a deal for a significant pitcher and we traded Broxton as part of that and brought up Brinson.