Sonny Gray- Let's GO FOR IT! Here's a plan...

[adambr2]

It's too bad Corey Ray has stunk up the joint this year. He's killed his trade value, if he was even halfway decent in Carolina, Gray is probably easily obtainable for him and perhaps even the Sox prefer our offer for Quintana over the Cubs, which was a huge turning point in the season.

 

Can't blame sellers for not being interested in a supposedly advanced college bat in High A who is neither productive nor young for his level as the centerpiece of a deal.

 

Sellers aren't going to be as turned off as you think by 2/3 of his first pro season of subpar production coming off knee surgery. The same swing, bat speed, tools, etc are still there. To say he's killed his trade value is a massive exaggeration and likely not true. That would be like saying brinson killed his trade value last year with his aa stat line and injury prior to the deal.

 

Its probably an unfair assessment on my part, but it remains true that if Ray were tearing it up in High A this year, the A's are likely far more interested in him. Since he's not, it was Brinson or bust for the A's -- Thus killing the trade.

[Brewcrewin07]

It's too bad Corey Ray has stunk up the joint this year. He's killed his trade value, if he was even halfway decent in Carolina, Gray is probably easily obtainable for him and perhaps even the Sox prefer our offer for Quintana over the Cubs, which was a huge turning point in the season.

 

Can't blame sellers for not being interested in a supposedly advanced college bat in High A who is neither productive nor young for his level as the centerpiece of a deal.

 

Sellers aren't going to be as turned off as you think by 2/3 of his first pro season of subpar production coming off knee surgery. The same swing, bat speed, tools, etc are still there. To say he's killed his trade value is a massive exaggeration and likely not true. That would be like saying brinson killed his trade value last year with his aa stat line and injury prior to the deal.

 

Its probably an unfair assessment on my part, but it remains true that if Ray were tearing it up in High A this year, the A's are likely far more interested in him. Since he's not, it was Brinson or bust for the A's -- Thus killing the trade.

 

 

I don't get the A's line of thinking with Brinson or bust though, because they are interested in lessor prospects from the Yankees then Brinson is, and probably even lessor than Phillips is.

[MrTPlush]

Last I heard they really wanted a CF prospect. You could make an argument Ray and Phillips are bad prospects. Not surprising if they don't like either of those guys that much.

[Brewcrewin07]

I don't want to trade Brinson for anyone really. Brinson is a giant overpay for the Brewers when it comes to Gray. The only reason is it Brinson or bust is because they don't like our other top prospects. If they valued our other guys then we could easily have made a deal happy and I am sure Stearns put together, what he thought, was a worthy deal. Brinson just that.

 

The Brewers want to and our going to role their dice on Brinson not Gray. We will see how that ends up in the long run. I think Brinson out plays him pretty easily in the next 6 years vs. 2.5 years of Gray. You seem like trading Brinson is something we have to do and it is not.

 

I think this is pretty telling, wouldn't you say?? If the A's were ONLY interested in Brinson and didn't like any of the other Brewers prospects, then why is DS so in love with those prospects, and even moreso as fans, why are a lot of people here in love with them??

[MrTPlush]

I don't want to trade Brinson for anyone really. Brinson is a giant overpay for the Brewers when it comes to Gray. The only reason is it Brinson or bust is because they don't like our other top prospects. If they valued our other guys then we could easily have made a deal happy and I am sure Stearns put together, what he thought, was a worthy deal. Brinson just that.

 

The Brewers want to and our going to role their dice on Brinson not Gray. We will see how that ends up in the long run. I think Brinson out plays him pretty easily in the next 6 years vs. 2.5 years of Gray. You seem like trading Brinson is something we have to do and it is not.

 

I think this is pretty telling, wouldn't you say?? If the A's were ONLY interested in Brinson and didn't like any of the other Brewers prospects, then why is DS so in love with those prospects, and even moreso as fans, why are a lot of people here in love with them??

 

That is one teams opinion and he has tried to move our better prospects(Ray/Ortiz) and I am sure there are many other ones he has put in trade talks(especially Phillips). The main problem is the fact he doesn't really want to buy big right now so is looking to get a deal vs. paying the price.

 

Also I don't believe anyone here is in love with our prospects. I think all the people wanting to hold onto them want to do so cause they just don't want the Brewers to buy.

[Brewcrewin07]

I don't want to trade Brinson for anyone really. Brinson is a giant overpay for the Brewers when it comes to Gray. The only reason is it Brinson or bust is because they don't like our other top prospects. If they valued our other guys then we could easily have made a deal happy and I am sure Stearns put together, what he thought, was a worthy deal. Brinson just that.

 

The Brewers want to and our going to role their dice on Brinson not Gray. We will see how that ends up in the long run. I think Brinson out plays him pretty easily in the next 6 years vs. 2.5 years of Gray. You seem like trading Brinson is something we have to do and it is not.

 

I think this is pretty telling, wouldn't you say?? If the A's were ONLY interested in Brinson and didn't like any of the other Brewers prospects, then why is DS so in love with those prospects, and even moreso as fans, why are a lot of people here in love with them??

 

That is one teams opinion and he has tried to move our better prospects(Ray/Ortiz) and I am sure there are many other ones he has put in trade talks(especially Phillips). The main problem is the fact he doesn't really want to buy big right now so is looking to get a deal vs. paying the price.

 

Also I don't believe anyone here is in love with our prospects. I think all the people wanting to hold onto them want to do so cause they just don't want the Brewers to buy.

 

 

Those are the people that think even with any moves the Brewers made, they wouldn't be as talented as the Dodgers, Cubs, Nats etc. They would be correct. However, what maybe they aren't thinking about is that unlike the NBA and especially the NFL, in MLB playoffs talent means a lot less in postseason then it does in postseason in the NBA and NFL. Where with those, a vast majority of times the more talented team wins..in baseball anything can happen, and we have seen that time and time again. A little bleeder here, a ball 4 call that should have been strike three, a baserunning mistake, anything can turn a series in baseball.

[MrTPlush]

While I agree with your narrative that any team making the postseason can win I think it is wise to be smart and not overpay. To the A's we don't have the right 2nd tier prospects to get Gray. It would be unwise and just not smart to give up our 1st tier prospects because of that. I think Gray would easily be a Brewer if we had the right prospects, but we just don't it seems.

[brewcrewdue80]

Maybe Stearns is unwilling to part with Brinson because of Broxtons woes? He'll probably be able to move Broxton this offseason for some piece that helps the ML team or a couple lottery prospects.

[brewmann04]

maybe Stearns just does not seem Gray as an answer for the crew this season.

[rickh150]

maybe Stearns just does not seem Gray as an answer for the crew this season.

 

Brewers need starting pitching..... Gray would be an answer. Now, that probably isn't enough for playoffs, but next year would look a lot better. Also, this rebuild has to include some key trades every year to retool and upgrade talent. This could be one.

[brewmann04]

I think DS will make some moves when he thinks the time is right this season is not.

[KCBrewerfan34]

I'm concerned our minor league system is vastly overrated with not very many attractive players to other teams. That makes things difficult to make deals.

[bill hAll Star]

maybe Stearns just does not seem Gray as an answer for the crew this season.

 

Brewers need starting pitching..... Gray would be an answer. Now, that probably isn't enough for playoffs, but next year would look a lot better. Also, this rebuild has to include some key trades every year to retool and upgrade talent. This could be one.

 

All of this rebuilding has been with an eye towards the 2018-2025 timeframe. All of the controllable talent the Brewers have should be able to play together with depth (and plenty of money to spend around them) over that time.

 

I think you and many are conceding that while Gray would help this year, it's probably not enough.

 

"Controllable past this year" on Gray is somewhat misleading. We're watering down 2019 and beyond to probably take 2nd or 3rd place again against this stacked Cubs team that will probably have Yu Darvish in the rotation next season. The depressing part is that I think the Cubs are going to be better than the Brewers no matter what for the next 3-4 years, but I'd like to have a long window to try to beat them and at worst take the throne when the Cubs relinquish it in 3-4 years.

[bill hAll Star]

I'm concerned our minor league system is vastly overrated with not very many attractive players to other teams. That makes things difficult to make deals.

 

I, too, have a bit of that concern but it is not necessarily as trade chips but rather just the pieces that we have going forward. If Hader can't develop a changeup and Brinson has holes in his swing, the flagships of our future aren't going to be as elite as we thought.

 

One could argue that it's also hurting trade value but even if you told me that Hader and Brinson (and others) would not be as good as we would hope, I still would not deal them to put all of our chips on the table for 2018.

[JosephC]

I think this door has swung back open for Milwaukee. Now there are some reports that the Yankees do not want to include Florial in the deal. If the A's were set on getting a centerfielder, I don't know if Jorge Mateo has the experience there to convince the A's that he is their man. If the Yankees have pulled all six of their top prospects off the board, I can't see any deal coming from the Yankees that would make sense for the A's.

[DocLuna7]

One way or another I am very excited for this thread to be done and over with today.

[KCBrewerfan34]

One way or another I am very excited for this thread to be done and over with today.

 

 

Then don't read it. Your post quite frankly provides ZERO value to this thread. Trade deadline week is pretty exciting for alot of fans, if you're not one go post on the off topic stuff. CRIPES!!!!

[DocLuna7]

One way or another I am very excited for this thread to be done and over with today.

 

 

Then don't read it. Your post quite frankly provides ZERO value to this thread. Trade deadline week is pretty exciting for alot of fans, if you're not one go post on the off topic stuff. CRIPES!!!!

 

Well after reading (and posting many times regarding this topic in this thread) for weeks I think many would agree with me. Appreciate all that you do trying to police the boards and enjoy reading all of your incredibly valuable and insightful commentary.

[OnaBadger58]

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if yanks/a's sonny gray talk drags on, don't be shocked in brewers get involved. they love their prospects, but they love gray, too.

12:44 PM - 31 Jul 2017 from Jersey City, NJ

[MrTPlush]

Still think Yanks get him, but Gray loves Milwaukee and Brewers love Gray. If A's back off Brinson demand here at the end could happen.

[OnaBadger58]

Still think Yanks get him, but Gray loves Milwaukee and Brewers love Gray. If A's back off Brinson demand here at the end could happen.

I agree. I also think the "original" price for Gray was incredibly steep. Perhaps the A's are lowering their expected return which could bring the Brewers back into play.

[adambr2]

Ray + Ortiz would be a reasonable, fair price. I'd be pleased, even with the loss of 2 top 100 prospects.

[Ennder]

Sonny Gray is a 5'10" pitcher with a late load who has a history of arm problems. I really don't think you are getting 2 more years out of Gray. There will be an injury in there somewhere. I would not pay for him at full value.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Sonny Gray is a 5'10" pitcher with a late load who has a history of arm problems. I really don't think you are getting 2 more years out of Gray. There will be an injury in there somewhere. I would not pay for him at full value.

 

 

If you don't trade Brinson or Hader what are really giving up?? Burnes is pitching great but how projectable is he? Hiura can't be traded so we're safe there. I expect the Brewers to fast track him to cover our ever gaping 2b hole.

[MrTPlush]

Sonny Gray is a 5'10" pitcher with a late load who has a history of arm problems. I really don't think you are getting 2 more years out of Gray. There will be an injury in there somewhere. I would not pay for him at full value.

 

 

If you don't trade Brinson or Hader what are really giving up?? Burnes is pitching great but how projectable is he? Hiura can't be traded so we're safe there. I expect the Brewers to fast track him to cover our ever gaping 2b hole.

 

The same guy spending the rest of the year in Appleton? I think he flies through the minors, but I doubt we see him before 2019. That's being aggressive too.