Time to talk extension with Arcia?

[homer]

I think we have to also take into consideration what we have coming up at that position. Why pay a lot for a relatively small upgrade in production in one area and not have the money to get a larger upgrade somewhere else? Arcia circa 2020 might be better than someone like Dubon but is he worth more than Dubon plus the extra money we can spend to upgrade a true weakness?

 

That's a really good point and probably depends on how Brewers feel about both players. In any event, having Dubon means you don't have to rush an extension with Arcia. Obviously his price could go up but that's why they pay the GM's the big bucks.

[monty57]

I think we have to also take into consideration what we have coming up at that position. Why pay a lot for a relatively small upgrade in production in one area and not have the money to get a larger upgrade somewhere else? Arcia circa 2020 might be better than someone like Dubon but is he worth more than Dubon plus the extra money we can spend to upgrade a true weakness?

 

If you extend Arcia (or anyone else) during the pre-arby years, you expect to get a substantial discount to market value. That makes the player very valuable on the trade market if a solid replacement is ready in the minors. Look at the Lucroy and Gomez deals to see what teams are willing to pay for a good player signed to a "team friendly" contract.

 

I hope that we are able to keep good players coming up through the system, allowing us to trade guys who are more expensive with less team control. That's the only real way I can imagine that a smaller-revenue team like the Brewers can hope to sustain success for longer than a "window." If done correctly, you can actually get better when the vet is traded, as we would have a strong replacement and could use the trade to add talent in an area of greater need.

[Thurston Fluff]

I think we have to also take into consideration what we have coming up at that position. Why pay a lot for a relatively small upgrade in production in one area and not have the money to get a larger upgrade somewhere else? Arcia circa 2020 might be better than someone like Dubon but is he worth more than Dubon plus the extra money we can spend to upgrade a true weakness?

 

If you extend Arcia (or anyone else) during the pre-arby years, you expect to get a substantial discount to market value. That makes the player very valuable on the trade market if a solid replacement is ready in the minors. Look at the Lucroy and Gomez deals to see what teams are willing to pay for a good player signed to a "team friendly" contract.

 

I hope that we are able to keep good players coming up through the system, allowing us to trade guys who are more expensive with less team control. That's the only real way I can imagine that a smaller-revenue team like the Brewers can hope to sustain success for longer than a "window." If done correctly, you can actually get better when the vet is traded, as we would have a strong replacement and could use the trade to add talent in an area of greater need.

 

That is fine if we get a Lucroy style deal but lets be real about how often that happens with top prospects. If Arcia wants to sign a well below market value contract now fine. I don't really see that happening. He knows he is a top prospect already playing well at a young age. Lucroy didn't. Even then it isn't like Arcia wouldn't have any value with one less season of control. So then we have to measure how much an extra season of control will return to us vs the risk of giving out a decent sized contract.

[rickh150]

Odds are what....50/50 that he is nontendered?

[PeaveyFury]

Odds are what....50/50 that he is nontendered?

 

I'd put it closer to 20/80, with the 20 as non-tendered personally.

[MrTPlush]

Real strange to find a 2.5 year old thread to ask a question like this.

 

I’d put it at more like 75% chance he is either kept or traded. I can’t imagine a team won’t take a shot on him or get him for a utility role.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Real strange to find a 2.5 year old thread to ask a question like this.

 

I’d put it at more like 75% chance he is either kept or traded. I can’t imagine a team won’t take a shot on him or get him for a utility role.

 

Exactly. There is still value and prospect pedigree there. There will be teams out there who will think they can fix his offense. You tender him, and if you believe that Urias is your SS, you look to deal Orlando. Perhaps for another “change of scenery” guy. I suggested Dylan Bundy in the rumors forum.

[PeaveyFury]

Real strange to find a 2.5 year old thread to ask a question like this.

 

I’d put it at more like 75% chance he is either kept or traded. I can’t imagine a team won’t take a shot on him or get him for a utility role.

 

Agreed. As I said in another thread, he's ideal as the typical middle-IF bench guy that we always carry, especially with Hiura and his crappy defense on the roster to sub out late in games. I'd rather have him at $1-2 million over the $2 million we paid Saladino/Spangenberg to be that guy last year....

[SRB]

Odds are much higher that he is traded for a minimal return than he is non-tendered. He still isn't going to cost very much via arbitration.

 

I'd say 60% stay on the team as bench bat and splits time with Urias; 30% traded for a flier prospect; 10% non-tendered.

[DHonks]

Id think we need insurance with Hiura’s elbow, no clear 3b, and an unproven SS. Even if he isn’t an everyday starter, Arcia could get 300-400 plate appearances. In the past he’s done well when challenged for his job

[MrTPlush]

Why are we still talking about Hiura’s elbow years later? Did I miss something?

[DHonks]

Why are we still talking about Hiura’s elbow years later? Did I miss something?

 

His elbow had PRP and therapy. Most teams thought he’d require Tommy John surgery following the draft. It may be structurally sound, but so was Knebel’s with the same procedure. I may not be a doctor, but I assume a partially damaged elbow ligament is more likely to have further damage. Having adequate coverage in the infield is a good thing anyways.

[brewcrewdue80]

I imagine he still has an option remaining. He'll probably spend enough time in the minors where his clock winds back to Super 2 status, but another year of control before Free Agency. I was all for an extension so long ago it's probably on the 1st page. I thought he'd grow and become the Brewers own version of Derek Jeter. This versus holding him down in the minors for control/Super 2 concerns. With how many top prospects flame out, the practice to keep their prospect down until after a certain date in June is annoying to me, just like not playing guys in Sept if your team isn't in a playoff hunt. You want to have extra control of this player, then give the guy an extension and pay him, vs manipulate the system.

[markedman5]

This thread makes me happy that extensions aren't handed out by message board consensus....

[AKCheesehead]

I’d be down with extending Arcia..at a low low price.