Anderson to DL , Lopez called up from AA

[CheezWizHed]

Sadly, Corbin Burnes took his first loss as a professional on Wednesday. He gave up a whole 3 earned runs and 7 hits in 5.2 innings.

 

[sarcasm]Release the bum![/sarcasm]

[dacbrewers]

Don't forget about Scahill...He could be next up again.

[FVBrewerFan]

Burnes started the year in High A, right? He's been great, but this is his first full professional season, let's give him some time to progress before bringing him up.

 

 

Mike Leake never pitched in the minors. He turned out alright. Each guy is different. Burnes is basically 23 and lighting it up. Bring the guy up and let him continue to do so.

 

I agree, nothing says Burnes can't be brought up just because this is his first full season in pro ball. Plus, it's not like he would need to be brought up for the rest of the season.

 

With that said, they may their reasons for not doing it. Maybe they don't want to disrupt what he's doing. Or maybe not risk having him blow up in the 1st inning of his first MLB start. They know the players better than we do, as well as the big picture of other guys they may want to start instead.

 

Either way it has nothing to do with being "chicken." They haven't hesitated to bring rookies up when they thought it was time. Heck, with Arcia a lot of people thought it was TOO early.

[mrn1ceguy]

For Burnes, I would say if there is less than a 95% chance he would stay up and be productive the rest of the season and beyond, you don't bring him up because it would burn options. If he comes up for a couple weeks, then get's sent down, that uses up one option. Then if next year, he's not ready to break camp with the team as a starter (or reliever), he uses up option #2 to refine his skill likely in AA or AAA. That only leaves us 1 option in case he ever needs to be sent down to fix things if he struggles (as is common with young pitchers) or you need to use some extreme roster management. If you wait until mid next year (assuming he stays as productive), he has a much better chance of coming up and sticking, leaving you up to three chances to be sent down in case he ever hits struggles like Nelson, Peralta, Davies, Jungman and more have in the early parts of their career.

 

The last thing you want is to have a pitcher who is under 25, has tons of potential but is struggling in the majors with no options to be sent down and work things out. Then you take the risk of not being able to fix whatever is wrong (mechanical tweak, pressure, loss of confidence, ...) and wrecking whatever season this is happening to or likely losing him if you try to outright him. I say he needs a stronger (and longer) track record before bringing up Burnes. He only has a handful of starts at AA, he still has a lot to prove.

[LouisEly]

I don't know that Burnes would be able to pitch enough innings this year where it would be worthwhile to burn an option. I'm guessing his innings limit this year will be somewhere around 130.

 

The Brewers only have to cover 10 more games until the All-Star break, and Sunday July 9th can be a bullpen day if needed. You can slot Hader in, Blazek and Jungmann have been pitching well as of late, and Wilkerson has been pitching well at AA. They can carry you for a start or two until the break, and then Woodruff should be healthy shortly after.

[djoctagone]

Jungmann pitches tonight for CS. If he gets pulled after a couple innings, you can pretty much count on him being the guy. Otherwise scratch him off the list too.

pulled after 37 pitches over three innings. allowed two hits, struck out five and no runs or walks.

[Pugger]

Can we start a negativity thread where people can post irrational negativity about things that haven't happened yet?

 

I think we had one once. Either way Burnes ain't happening. Heck they won't even let Hader pitch.

 

Yes, if they won't let him pitch then he should be sent back to AAA where he can get in some work.

[trwi7]

Sadly, Corbin Burnes took his first loss as a professional on Wednesday. He gave up a whole 3 earned runs and 7 hits in 5.2 innings.

 

[sarcasm]Release the bum![/sarcasm]

 

He's so bad that he's going to be the first player in baseball history to be DFA'd without being on the 40 man roster.

[BuckyBrewer61]

Can we start a negativity thread where people can post irrational negativity about things that haven't happened yet?

 

I really, really hope someone saved the no holds barred, anything goes vent thread from after we lost the NLCS. And I really hope it gets re-posted. It wasn't fun at the time, but I'm sure in retrospect that thing would be gold.

[JohnBriggs12]

For Burnes, I would say if there is less than a 95% chance he would stay up and be productive the rest of the season and beyond, you don't bring him up because it would burn options. If he comes up for a couple weeks, then get's sent down, that uses up one option. Then if next year, he's not ready to break camp with the team as a starter (or reliever), he uses up option #2 to refine his skill likely in AA or AAA. That only leaves us 1 option in case he ever needs to be sent down to fix things if he struggles (as is common with young pitchers) or you need to use some extreme roster management. If you wait until mid next year (assuming he stays as productive), he has a much better chance of coming up and sticking, leaving you up to three chances to be sent down in case he ever hits struggles like Nelson, Peralta, Davies, Jungman and more have in the early parts of their career.

 

The last thing you want is to have a pitcher who is under 25, has tons of potential but is struggling in the majors with no options to be sent down and work things out. Then you take the risk of not being able to fix whatever is wrong (mechanical tweak, pressure, loss of confidence, ...) and wrecking whatever season this is happening to or likely losing him if you try to outright him. I say he needs a stronger (and longer) track record before bringing up Burnes. He only has a handful of starts at AA, he still has a lot to prove.

 

If every pitcher or player had to have a 95% chance of success before being brought up, then every player in your system would end up never coming up and you'd eventually lose them as minor league FA. The Brewers are without starter a who arguably is All Star worthy and they are in the midst of a playoff race, expected or not. He's likely out until at least early August. You roll the dice with the most talented guys with upside to be top of the rotation starters and hope over 6 or 7 starts they replicate Anderson's performance regardless of the time they've had in the minors. We know guys like Espino and Suter aren't that guy and probably not Jungmann either. While I think Hader could well do the job and go out tomorrow and throw 75-80 pitches, Burnes is the other likely guy.

 

Since when would Burnes have no options? Using up first option at age 23 for a guy already in AA is no big deal. He'll have options through age 26. If he struggles, and it doesn't work, fine, at least they tried. He goes back to AA. If he is so mentally weak at 23 to let that affect the rest of his career, maybe he's not a guy you want anyway. Burnes is said to have a bull dog mentality and he's jumped levels with no problem. He's 23 not 19 which is why perhaps he's a better option than say Ortiz. Of any guys in the Brewer system, Burnes is probably the best equipped mentally.

[mrn1ceguy]

 

If every pitcher or player had to have a 95% chance of success before being brought up, then every player in your system would end up never coming up and you'd eventually lose them as minor league FA. The Brewers are without starter a who arguably is All Star worthy and they are in the midst of a playoff race, expected or not. He's likely out until at least early August. You roll the dice with the most talented guys with upside to be top of the rotation starters and hope over 6 or 7 starts they replicate Anderson's performance regardless of the time they've had in the minors. We know guys like Espino and Suter aren't that guy and probably not Jungmann either. While I think Hader could well do the job and go out tomorrow and throw 75-80 pitches, Burnes is the other likely guy.

 

Since when would Burnes have no options? Using up first option at age 23 for a guy already in AA is no big deal. He'll have options through age 26. If he struggles, and it doesn't work, fine, at least they tried. He goes back to AA. If he is so mentally weak at 23 to let that affect the rest of his career, maybe he's not a guy you want anyway. Burnes is said to have a bull dog mentality and he's jumped levels with no problem. He's 23 not 19 which is why perhaps he's a better option than say Ortiz. Of any guys in the Brewer system, Burnes is probably the best equipped mentally.

 

My 95% is for players with less than 2 years since being drafted (we are only at ~1 for Burnes). If you are coming up that soon, you should be a sure fire team contributor for a long time (ala Braun). Otherwise, you run the risk of what happen to Perez where you are brought up to early, have to use all your options while you figure things out and then get let go. And actually Knebel almost ran into this issue. He was brought up real quick, had his struggles at times to the point we had to option him down last year. If he didn't figure things out this year, we possibly would have had to option him again this year and then risk losing him next year if he continued to struggle. It worked out for us in a great way, but what if he figured it all out in 2 years (for a different team) and not this year? That's not uncommon for a highly rated pitcher to still struggle at 25 before figuring it all out.

 

I don't want to see Burnes struggle in the MLB this year, get sent down a couple times and then get pushed out the door at 26 only to come back as a #3 pitcher for the cardinals. So unless the Brewers are 95% certain he's here to stay, its just too early for him.

 

The other main reason is he doesn't have close to the track record for me to say he's our best or even one of our best options in the minors for possibly only 2 starts. He has all of 27 total games with 5 in AA. While he has been great in those starts and looks very promising, that's not a lot of track record for me to say he's going to be better today than Hader, Woodruff, Wang, Blazek, Jungman, Wilkerson or any of our current 5 starters. Next year when he has 55 starts with 15 in AAA all doing great, absolutely he's our best option. But today, give me one of the other guys for 2-3 starts, Woodruff for 5 and then Anderson is back.

[Never Outhustled]

Jungmann has been awesome lately, I'm excited to have him up. I could see him going on another run like he did in 2015, pushing Davies aside. Jungman's missing bats more than ever.

[djoctagone]

good news for chase anderson. a rehab assignment is next.

[brewmann04]

Nice to see Chase moving forward

[djoctagone]

another bullpen today. if no setbacks, anderson's rehab assignment should start tuesday.

[djoctagone]

anderson's second rehab start will be sunday in colorado springs.