Villar- Toronto

[NievesNoNO]

The Jays could potentially be in the market for a 2b.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/toronto-blue-jays

 

I don't really want to move Villar yet. He can be a pretty dynamic player as he showed last season and obviously still has plenty of team control. I don't think Sogard is a long-term solution but if you think he can keep up 80% of what he's doing for the remainder of the season maybe it makes sense to try and extract some value from Villar while not losing a whole lot of production this season.

 

I'm intrigued by Biagini, who's currently in Toronto's starting rotation, however I think Sanchez is coming back soon so maybe they'd be willing to move him in a potential deal.

 

Would something like Biagini +Bo Bichette work? Am I overvaluing Villar?... maybe I'm undervaluing him? I really don't have a feel for what he might be worth after not being able to replicate what he did last year to this point.

[MrTPlush]

I would rather sell high on Sogard vs. trading Villar at this point in time. For what it is worth I wouldn't trade either. After this year Sogard is gone. Resigning a player who has done little to nothing his entire career only to have a good couple hundred ABs sounds very unwise. Jonathan Villar likely skates into next season as the starting 2B unless things change drastically and a good opportunity presents itself. His value is so low I just can't fathom trading him away.

[jerichoholicninja]

This would just about be the worst time to trade Villar.

[JohnBriggs12]

I would rather sell high on Sogard vs. trading Villar at this point in time. For what it is worth I wouldn't trade either. After this year Sogard is gone. Resigning a player who has done little to nothing his entire career only to have a good couple hundred ABs sounds very unwise. Jonathan Villar likely skates into next season as the starting 2B unless things change drastically and a good opportunity presents itself. His value is so low I just can't fathom trading him away.

 

It won't take a ton to re-sign Sogard, but even if they don't, they have a viable everyday option at 2B in Perez who is still a man without a position.

 

Only trade Sogard if they fall 5-6 games behind a month from now. Certainly not now as he's the man at 2B right now.

 

Both Podsednik and Segura followed up great seasons with mediocre ones and still maintained trade value. Villar is similar though 2B are not in high demand. His value was never that high to begin with. His flaws were apparent even last year.

[Austin Tatious]

If you can get a Segura type return, I'd do it.

[HighHeat19]

The return would be pretty bad with either player right now and you should never sell low. Best case scenario is for the Brewers to keep both and ride it out.

 

If the Brewers are out of contention come July 31st and the offer for Villar is respectable than consider. If I look at it from another team's point of view there is no way I'm giving a top prospect for Villar. And our farm can't hold anymore lottery tickets.

 

However, Stearns needs to find a creative way to bring in a higher end starter to next year's rotation without breaking the bank or the farm. Doesn't have to be Kershaw esque but a Straily, Vargas or Peacock would be nice. If a Villar or a Villar plus Trent Clark gets that done. So be it.

[MrTPlush]

If you can get a Segura type return, I'd do it.

 

I am sure they could. Jean Segura had that value despite 2.5 years of terrible performance and only a half season of stardom. Jonathan Villar has had success before coming here and was an offensive force all of last year. Personally I would expect more than what we got for Segura.

[jerichoholicninja]

If you can get a Segura type return, I'd do it.

 

I am sure they could. Jean Segura had that value despite 2.5 years of terrible performance and only a half season of stardom. Jonathan Villar has had success before coming here and was an offensive force all of last year. Personally I would expect more than what we got for Segura.

 

Dave Stewart isn't a GM anymore so I doubt more than Segura would be possible right now. If Villar could play a passable 3B maybe you could get a similar trade out of Dave D in Boston since his goal since he was hired has been to trade every minor leaguer in their system for marginal veteran upgrades.

[JohnBriggs12]

If you can get a Segura type return, I'd do it.

 

I am sure they could. Jean Segura had that value despite 2.5 years of terrible performance and only a half season of stardom. Jonathan Villar has had success before coming here and was an offensive force all of last year. Personally I would expect more than what we got for Segura.

 

I'd like to retract my earlier post. After thinking about it, I don't think Villar's value is all that high and will only go lower as a part time player. He's arby eligible and without options. His 2016 numbers will boost his arby award to where I'm not sure the Brewers won't non-tender him. I disagree that "he had success before coming here". He was a .236/.300/.353 hitter as an Astro where he came up on perhaps the worst team of this century, the 2013 Houston team that lost 111 games. Stearns probably saw him as the perfect tanking team player when he surrendered fringe prospect Cy Sneed for him.

 

Get the 2017 version of Cy Sneed and appreciate the $20 million mistake was avoided and move on. Dubon is only a year away remember.

[tmwiese55]

Injuries happen, so if the team is winning there's no reason to sell low on someone. The team is winning more than expected and the depth has been a big reason. Also, Sogard has been great but we're still at a pretty small sample. he's only signed for this year and is old. I'd put my money on us rolling with Villar again next year at 2B to start the year.

[pacopete4]

Villar or Sogard to the Yankees? Don't they have a bunch of injuries?

[jerichoholicninja]

Villar or Sogard to the Yankees? Don't they have a bunch of injuries?

 

At 1B, OF, and SP so neither of those guys really help. Castro has been pretty good at 2B this year and Gregorious is good enough at SS. I'm sure they would love to get Shaw but trading him would pretty much end any chance of making the playoffs and I don't think the Yankees have anyone that would be worth him other than Torres and he's going no where.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

If you can get a Segura type return, I'd do it.

 

I am sure they could. Jean Segura had that value despite 2.5 years of terrible performance and only a half season of stardom. Jonathan Villar has had success before coming here and was an offensive force all of last year. Personally I would expect more than what we got for Segura.

 

I'd like to retract my earlier post. After thinking about it, I don't think Villar's value is all that high and will only go lower as a part time player. He's arby eligible and without options. His 2016 numbers will boost his arby award to where I'm not sure the Brewers won't non-tender him. I disagree that "he had success before coming here". He was a .236/.300/.353 hitter as an Astro where he came up on perhaps the worst team of this century, the 2013 Houston team that lost 111 games. Stearns probably saw him as the perfect tanking team player when he surrendered fringe prospect Cy Sneed for him.

 

Get the 2017 version of Cy Sneed and appreciate the $20 million mistake was avoided and move on. Dubon is only a year away remember.

Good lord no, I agree he's had a bad start to this year. Last year he was an offensive cornerstone, so he could turn it around the next half. Why jettison him for pennies when he's got team control?

[MrTPlush]

The is 0% chance he is non tendered. 0%

[LouisEly]

I would rather sell high on Sogard vs. trading Villar at this point in time. For what it is worth I wouldn't trade either. After this year Sogard is gone. Resigning a player who has done little to nothing his entire career only to have a good couple hundred ABs sounds very unwise. Jonathan Villar likely skates into next season as the starting 2B unless things change drastically and a good opportunity presents itself. His value is so low I just can't fathom trading him away.

Sell high on Sogard? Who's going to give anything of value for a 31-year-old who was signed to a minor league deal with a NRI the off-season before? This small sample isn't fooling anyone - he's a career .312 OBP/.644 OPS player with almost 1500 career PAs.

[MrTPlush]

I would rather sell high on Sogard vs. trading Villar at this point in time. For what it is worth I wouldn't trade either. After this year Sogard is gone. Resigning a player who has done little to nothing his entire career only to have a good couple hundred ABs sounds very unwise. Jonathan Villar likely skates into next season as the starting 2B unless things change drastically and a good opportunity presents itself. His value is so low I just can't fathom trading him away.

Sell high on Sogard? Who's going to give anything of value for a 31-year-old who was signed to a minor league deal with a NRI the off-season before? This small sample isn't fooling anyone - he's a career .312 OBP/.644 OPS player with almost 1500 career PAs.

 

I didn't say he was going to get anything notable.

[StearnsFTW]

"Stearns probably saw him as the perfect tanking team player"

[mlloyd10]

You only trade Villar if 1. Some team will overpay 2. If you think Mauricio Dubon is ready to start in 2018

[JohnBriggs12]

You only trade Villar if 1. Some team will overpay 2. If you think Mauricio Dubon is ready to start in 2018

 

Perez could handle everyday 2B job. He'll be needed less in utility role with young OF around. Sogard's market won't preclude Brewers going that way too.

[Greenleaf1]

Guessing that Villar has just traded being the SS placeholder for Arcia to being the 2B placeholder for whoever comes through our system fastest, whether that's Dubon (who probably profiles to be more of a utility guy), Diaz, or maybe Hiura.

 

If Dubon comes up at the end of this year and makes a good impression, he could be in line to start at 2B next year, but trading Villar now seems like a risky move with no sure thing at 2B for 2018.

 

If somehow we decide to sign Sogard (which seems unlikely but who knows), then I could see trading Villar in the offseason, but for now I think Villar stays where he is.

[MrTPlush]

He definitely wasn't intended to be the 2B placeholder...we offered him a long term deal. That's pretty obvious. I also doubt we traded for him to be a SS placeholder. He was young with some MLB success when we got him. Why would we trade a prospect for a one year placeholder...not buying that.

[pacopete4]

Bad months, badhalves, bad seasons happen. He very well could suck all season and then turn into an awesome player next year. He definitely has some maturing to do which either will happen and help him become consistently successful or he won't and he'll be just another guy. I doubt the front office is writing him off at his age right now though.

[monty57]

If someone blows us away with an offer, then sure, trade him. I don't think that's going to happen, so I'm fine with holding onto Villar as another utility guy to go along with Perez. That gives us a pretty strong bench and injury protection all over the field.

 

As to his upcoming arby raise, being a part-time player will keep that raise modest. I think arby values starting players (even if they're not that good) over part-time players (even if they're not that bad).

[MrTPlush]

The arby raise is a bit overblown. Jean Segura only got $2.6mil his first year. I can't say Villar would deserve much more. Only thing going for Villar is the fact his big year is in more recent memory.