corey knebel sets single season k streak relief record

[Oxy]

Baseball is riddled with meaningless stats that people worship.

 

I don't totally agree with this but if somewhat true than I feel like WAR (Wins Above Replacement) is being treated like the 2nd coming of Jesus.

 

Current baseball statheads put WAY too much faith in that stat, IMHO.

 

WAR definitely isn't perfect, especially for pitchers. The issue is there really isn't a perfect single stat you can use. WAR is something you go to because it is an objective measure with one single value so it is just easy to use.

 

I can appreciate trying to come up with a composite stat- and I will even use WAR for that purpose-- but its name is an egregious misnomer. Batting average IS actually the percentage of ABs a guy gets a hit. ERA IS actually how many runs a pitcher gives up per 9 innings. WAR is NOT actually how many "Wins Above a Replacement" [player] that a player provides.

[Mass Haas]

What's the record that is not necessarily to start a season? Isn't that the record worth really noting?

 

But also doesn't span two seasons.

 

I wish whoever first noted this weeks ago didn't; impressive, of course, but so unusually focused on.

[502 to Right]

I think streak records are asinine. Production is what matters.

 

 

Edit - Case in point: During Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, Ted Williams outhit him .412 to .408 in batting average and Williams' OPS was 43 points higher during that span.

[pacopete4]

I think streak records are asinine. Production is what matters.

 

 

Edit - Case in point: During Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, Ted Williams outhit him .412 to .408 in batting average and Williams' OPS was 43 points higher during that span.

 

 

There is something to be said about being consistent. An example is DiMaggio's 56 games straight where he got a hit might've helped his team win more games than having 43 more OPS points over that same period. Not only that but 56 games is simply amazing. You know how I know? Because no one has come near it and probably never will.

[djoctagone]

35!

[Outlander]

Ted Williams being awesome doesn't make Dimaggio's streak any less impressive. Both are remembered and talked about still today.

[jerichoholicninja]

I think streak records are asinine. Production is what matters.

 

 

Edit - Case in point: During Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, Ted Williams outhit him .412 to .408 in batting average and Williams' OPS was 43 points higher during that span.

 

I would agree overall but in the case you're pointing out .004 in batting average is not even worth mentioning and .043 in OPS just isn't that much for 56 games.

[Baldkin]

I think streak records are asinine. Production is what matters.

 

 

Edit - Case in point: During Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, Ted Williams outhit him .412 to .408 in batting average and Williams' OPS was 43 points higher during that span.

 

I would agree overall but in the case you're pointing out .004 in batting average is not even worth mentioning and .043 in OPS just isn't that much for 56 games.

 

I mean, it's been the difference between the board saying Keon Broxton is awful and needs to be DFA'd and him being the new Mike Cameron.

[Bombers]

What's the record that is not necessarily to start a season? Isn't that the record worth really noting?

 

But also doesn't span two seasons.

 

I wish whoever first noted this weeks ago didn't; impressive, of course, but so unusually focused on.

This link has 49 by Chapman from 2013 through 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_individual_streaks

[djoctagone]

36! one away from tying aroldis chapman's major league record.

 

the brewers' next opponent for the next four games, the pirates, have the fewest strikeouts in the national league (505 to the brewers' league leading 687).

[djoctagone]

it took nine pitches to josh harrison, but knebel tied arolids chapman last night for most consecutive appearances (37) to start a season exclusively in relief with at least one strikeout per game.

[JohnBriggs12]

Only thing you can knock Knebel for is inefficiency. When it takes 25 or so pitches to save a game he can't be used a lot. They could really use another reliable vet to close games 2 or 3 times a month.

[reillymcshane]

Good for Corey. I hope he gets the record. Personally, it's not a big deal to me, but it would be a cool thing to be able to boast about.

[pacopete4]

Only thing you can knock Knebel for is inefficiency. When it takes 25 or so pitches to save a game he can't be used a lot. They could really use another reliable vet to close games 2 or 3 times a month.

 

 

Couple really good at bats last night by the Pirates took care of that. Wouldn't call inefficient.

[liveforoctober]

Only thing you can knock Knebel for is inefficiency. When it takes 25 or so pitches to save a game he can't be used a lot. They could really use another reliable vet to close games 2 or 3 times a month.

 

I don’t know that I would call him inefficient. He is missing a lot of bats, more so than other top closers in the league. His pitches per inning (ppi) is on the higher end of the saves leaders in baseball, but the difference isn’t terribly drastic:

 

Rodney – 17.9 ppi

Knebel – 17.8 ppi

Kintzler – 16.1 ppi

Kimbrel – 15.8 ppi

Colome – 14.8 ppi

Holland – 14.74 ppi

Jansen – 14.45 ppi

Osuna – 13.89 ppi

 

But he also is striking a lot more guys out … almost at a Craig Kimbrel level, per the topic of this thread. (Ks per inning -> kpi)

 

Kimbrel – 1.89 kpi

Knebel – 1.77 kpi

Jansen – 1.71 kpi

Holland – 1.32 kpi

Osuna – 1.27 kpi

Rodney – 1.18 kpi

Colome - .93 kpi

Kintzler – .67 kpi

 

If pitching to contact is going to save him only two pitches per inning, I’d rather he keep doing what is making him elite and missing bats and I’d be hard pressed to call it a deficiency.

[CheezWizHed]

The main reason that he was inefficient last night is he didn't have control of his CB and Pittsburgh rightfully laid off it. So he was left to his FB. And while no one was centering on his FB, they were fouling off a lot of pitches. I was actually surprised that he finally got the K on a FB.

 

Later in the inning, his CB started coming in.

[djoctagone]

38! a record in the modern era!

[A Swing and A Drive]

Not many Milwaukee Brewers hold any records of the modern era, so it me, this is kind of a big deal!

 

Knebel has to be a shoe-in as our ALL STAR representative at this point.

[MrTPlush]

This means a lot. He just broke a record held by Aroldis Chapman. One of the elite relievers in recent memory with incredible K numbers. It also means every single outing he is bringing elite stuff that even when he is off 33% or more of batters still struggling to even make contact with his stuff. His ERA is now under 1.00 and the Ks are a big reasons.

 

I mean we aren't going to print shirts and remember this for years(ok maybe the Brewers will), but it has a lot of significance for other reasons.

[sveumrules]

Most consecutive relief appearances with a strikeout to start a season, rolls right off the tongue.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Who holds the record for most K/game at any point during the season, not just from the start of the year?

[homer]

Only two relievers have higher K:9 than Knebel - Betances and Kimbrel. He's arguably a better closer than Kenley Jansen for 95% less money.

[reillymcshane]

Only two relievers have higher K:9 than Knebel - Betances and Kimbrel. He's arguably a better closer than Kenley Jansen for 95% less money.

Jansen hasn't walked a batter all year. 50K in 29.2 IP. That's extraordinary.

[danzig6767]

Only two relievers have higher K:9 than Knebel - Betances and Kimbrel. He's arguably a better closer than Kenley Jansen for 95% less money.

Jansen hasn't walked a batter all year. 50K in 29.2 IP. That's extraordinary.

Jansen's stats are silly. Besides what you said, his WHIP is 0.573 after 0.670 last year.

[Pugger]

Not many Milwaukee Brewers hold any records of the modern era, so it me, this is kind of a big deal!

 

Knebel has to be a shoe-in as our ALL STAR representative at this point.

 

I'll be surprised if he isn't. The only others who could be are either Anderson or Thames and I doubt they will be tabbed and nobody on our roster is anywhere close vote wise.