2017 Draft Pick Discussion, Rounds 1-5

[markedman5]

5th rounder signed overslot for 500 k

[And That]

4th rounder Brendan Murphy has signed as well.

 

https://twitter.com/brewcrewblue/status/876957977793703936

[markedman5]

4th-rder Brendan Murphy signs w/@Brewers for $500k (pick 114=$468,600). Illinois HS LHP, 88-93 w/life, fading CH, projectable. @MLBDraft

[ZBTMP]

5th rounder signed overslot for 500 k

 

I know high school stats aren't going to provide much correlation, but I'm alittle perplexed that a above slot, corner infield, top-5 round pick can only hit .265 with 1 home run against high school competition.

[Noche]

5th rounder signed overslot for 500 k

 

I know high school stats aren't going to provide much correlation, but I'm alittle perplexed that a above slot, corner infield, top-5 round pick can only hit .265 with 1 home run against high school competition.

 

For sure. He did slide a bit this spring after that performance. Brewers are betting on the tools.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't see game action this season while they iron out his mechanics.

[markedman5]

1st-rder Keston Hiura signs w/@Brewers, $4 mil (pick 9=$4.57 mil). UC Irvine OF/2B, best pure hitter in @MLBDraft, led NCAA D-I in AVG & OBP

[MrTPlush]

1st-rder Keston Hiura signs w/@Brewers, $4 mil (pick 9=$4.57 mil). UC Irvine OF/2B, best pure hitter in @MLBDraft, led NCAA D-I in AVG & OBP

 

Explains why teams before us didn't agree to an underslot deal. Not much of a savings at all.

[monkeyman343434]

1st-rder Keston Hiura signs w/@Brewers, $4 mil (pick 9=$4.57 mil). UC Irvine OF/2B, best pure hitter in @MLBDraft, led NCAA D-I in AVG & OBP

 

Explains why teams before us didn't agree to an underslot deal. Not much of a savings at all.

 

It looks like the bonuses have come out from 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, and 9 and has come in at $494,500 under slot.

 

2 and 10 have signed, but haven't seen $ figures for either of those 2 signings yet.

 

Still, that leaves 1b, 2, 3, 6, and 10 with a pretty sizable amount available under slot, and that doesn't even factor in the 5% teams can go over. Hopefully Lutz doesn't eat up too much of the available pot. If I remember correctly and teams can go 5% over, that's an additional 522,385 they can play with. I'm guessing with both Harrison and Hairston being college picks, they shouldn't command much, if any, over slot. Hopefully the Crew is able to play with that ~$1m for all those HS players drafted between the 11th and 20th rounds.

[battlekow]

McCalvy sez likely no immediate surgery for Hiura and that Hiura expects to be assigned to Wisconsin.

[markedman5]

TH tweet

 

#Brewers tests showed Hiura's UCL healed after PRP injection. Huge news for player and organization.

[nate82]

TH tweet

 

#Brewers tests showed Hiura's UCL healed after PRP injection. Huge news for player and organization.

 

That is real good news.

[Harry Doyles JD]

RE: Keston's elbow, I'm going to post the same thing I said about Tyler Thornburg rehabbing instead of surgery: Mistake.

 

 

He may be available sooner, but that elbow will be a ticking time bomb. I know surgery is no sure-fire bet, but long-term prognosis is better than not getting it properly fixed.

 

I'll gladly admit it if I'm wrong.

[MrTPlush]

Comparing the elbow of a 2B to a pitcher...not good

[CheezWizHed]

Maybe he can throw underhand from 2B.

 

Well, Wisconsin can certainly use his offense. I wonder what they will do with Tucker Neuhaus.

 

Looks like Braun and Villar are going to rehab in WI also. I wonder if that is intentional.

[homer]

Watched his BP after he signed. Man does he have a nice, quick swing.

[Harry Doyles JD]

Comparing the elbow of a 2B to a pitcher...not good

I was unaware he was pitching when he hurt it the first time. Since he won't be pitching, he could not injure it again.

[MrTPlush]

Comparing the elbow of a 2B to a pitcher...not good

I was unaware he was pitching when he hurt it the first time. Since he won't be pitching, he could not injure it again.

 

I am just saying Tyler Thornburg is a pitcher who throws 90+mph plus a bunch of other stressors on his arm. A 2B will not throw it as hard or even remotely close to as often. Not saying he can't injure himself again playing 2B, but I would find it to be a lot more unlikely than someone like Thornburg(or any pitcher). There are many players who heal their elbows without surgery and successfully avoid it in the future.

 

Regardless there is no point to going under the knife right now. The elbow has healed and there is nothing to repair.

[82brewcrew82]

This notion that the Brewers brass randomly drafted this kid without being VERY informed as to his medical situation seems very strange to me. Likewise, the idea that the Brewers brass are a bunch of bumbling idiots that, after acquiring even more medical information, are just going to throw him on the field to play despite an obvious need for surgery is equally strange.

 

They looked at the medicals and re-examined the kid after the draft. If they say the elbow is good, then the elbow is good. Even so, they are not taking that for granted. They have clearly stated that he is going to start with a throwing program in Maryvale before going on. Unless one is a M.D. AND one has reviewed the medicals, then one has nothing more than conjecture to conclude future issues.

[Harry Doyles JD]

This notion that the Brewers brass randomly drafted this kid without being VERY informed as to his medical situation seems very strange to me. Likewise, the idea that the Brewers brass are a bunch of bumbling idiots that, after acquiring even more medical information, are just going to throw him on the field to play despite an obvious need for surgery is equally strange.

 

They looked at the medicals and re-examined the kid after the draft. If they say the elbow is good, then the elbow is good. Even so, they are not taking that for granted. They have clearly stated that he is going to start with a throwing program in Maryvale before going on. Unless one is a M.D. AND one has reviewed the medicals, then one has nothing more than conjecture to conclude future issues.

The same medical staff that went along with Thornburg not having surgery...

 

I'm aware a 2b won't throw as much or as hard as a pitcher, but a 2b will have many more opportunities to throw at awkward angles without proper form, which is just as dangerous as a pitching, if not more because they are not keeping their arms warm like pitchers do.

 

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but I am in favor of taking the most cautious approach in these situations. MRI's aren't perfect for reading how the injury is, actually doing an exploratory is a lot more sure fire way of ensuring it's healed properly.

[WV Brew]

This notion that the Brewers brass randomly drafted this kid without being VERY informed as to his medical situation seems very strange to me. Likewise, the idea that the Brewers brass are a bunch of bumbling idiots that, after acquiring even more medical information, are just going to throw him on the field to play despite an obvious need for surgery is equally strange.

 

They looked at the medicals and re-examined the kid after the draft. If they say the elbow is good, then the elbow is good. Even so, they are not taking that for granted. They have clearly stated that he is going to start with a throwing program in Maryvale before going on. Unless one is a M.D. AND one has reviewed the medicals, then one has nothing more than conjecture to conclude future issues.

 

Nathan Kirby says hello.

[brewerfan82]

This notion that the Brewers brass randomly drafted this kid without being VERY informed as to his medical situation seems very strange to me. Likewise, the idea that the Brewers brass are a bunch of bumbling idiots that, after acquiring even more medical information, are just going to throw him on the field to play despite an obvious need for surgery is equally strange.

 

They looked at the medicals and re-examined the kid after the draft. If they say the elbow is good, then the elbow is good. Even so, they are not taking that for granted. They have clearly stated that he is going to start with a throwing program in Maryvale before going on. Unless one is a M.D. AND one has reviewed the medicals, then one has nothing more than conjecture to conclude future issues.

The same medical staff that went along with Thornburg not having surgery...

 

I'm aware a 2b won't throw as much or as hard as a pitcher, but a 2b will have many more opportunities to throw at awkward angles without proper form, which is just as dangerous as a pitching, if not more because they are not keeping their arms warm like pitchers do.

 

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong, but I am in favor of taking the most cautious approach in these situations. MRI's aren't perfect for reading how the injury is, actually doing an exploratory is a lot more sure fire way of ensuring it's healed properly.

I'll trust the Brewer's brass on this. They have a lot to lose by not taking the most cautious approach, so I would venture to guess after reviewing his medicals, that's exactly what they feel they are doing by not having what they feel would be an unnecessary surgery at this point.

[BrewCrew02]

Even if he needs surgery come August or September - that should be plenty of time to be ready for next year. I believe position players only need 6-9 months to come back from Tommy John. He could always DH early next year too.

[82brewcrew82]

This notion that the Brewers brass randomly drafted this kid without being VERY informed as to his medical situation seems very strange to me. Likewise, the idea that the Brewers brass are a bunchor of bumbling idiots that, after acquiring even more medical information, are just going to throw him on the field to play despite an obvious need for surgery is equally strange.

 

They looked at the medicals and re-examined the kid after the draft. If they say the elbow is good, then the elbow is good. Even so, they are not taking that for granted. They have clearly stated that he is going to start with a throwing program in Maryvale before going on. Unless one is a M.D. AND one has reviewed the medicals, then one has nothing more than conjecture to conclude future issues.

 

Nathan Kirby says hello.

 

 

I don't recall the Brewers coming out and saying the injury was healed with either Thornburg or Kriby. In both cases I'd bet the player had a significant say in whether they rehabbed or had surgery. Neither Thornburg or Kirby are position players. Neither I, or anyone else on this board, has reviewed the medicals of the players involved to determine how similar or dis-similar the injuries were between the three players. Having any surgery is risky and having a procedure "just to check" is a horrible idea. There is a growing opinion that surgery is not the answer.

 

I'm not worried in the least.

[82brewcrew82]

This notion that the Brewers brass randomly drafted this kid without being VERY informed as to his medical situation seems very strange to me. Likewise, the idea that the Brewers brass are a bunch of bumbling idiots that, after acquiring even more medical information, are just going to throw him on the field to play despite an obvious need for surgery is equally strange.

 

They looked at the medicals and re-examined the kid after the draft. If they say the elbow is good, then the elbow is good. Even so, they are not taking that for granted. They have clearly stated that he is going to start with a throwing program in Maryvale before going on. Unless one is a M.D. AND one has reviewed the medicals, then one has nothing more than conjecture to conclude future issues.

 

Nathan Kirby says hello.

 

Actually, after reading up I'm not sure how Thornburg or Kirby are relevant.

 

Kirby had a lat strain that caused him to miss his last college season. The Brewers found the UCL injury upon his draft exam and slashed his bonus because of it. He then had TJS almost immediately (pitched a few innings). While rehabbing that surgery this spring he encountered a less serious issue that required a surgery that will probably keep him out until late in the year at best. Don't know how that relates to Hiura at all.

 

Thornburg actually had the same PRP injection that Hiura had a completely recovered from it and went on to pitch effectively enough to bring back a significant trade package. Here is an expert from an article on Thornburg after the trade.

 

"So the decision was made to shut Thornburg down for a full three months after the PRP injection. Luckily for Thornburg and the Brewers, that move worked and the former third-round draft choice was back throwing in mid-November."

 

His issues now are due to thoracic outlet syndrome which is a shoulder injury, not an elbow injury. Again, that seems to make the case for what Hiura did and not having surgery as opposed to having an unnecessary surgery.

[Jenkins5]

Think there are a lot of people making a bigger deal out of Hiura's injury than they probably should. Thornburg as mentioned above healed just fine. He came back throwing mid 90's and was dominant. Not sure why that was a bad decision.... Yes, he broke down again for this season but not sure if he had Tommy John, the story would be different. Bodies are different. Some pitchers arms never recover back to what they once were or they tear it again. Others go on to have even stronger arms with long lasting careers with no issues .So if it healed and he performed after....why would TJ been a better option? Now that he is injured again, why is that more the Brewers fault over Thornburg's own body. He is a little guy with effort, pumping heat.... that is a lot of stress on an elbow.

 

Does Hiura have the same body as Thornburg? Does he recover and self-repair the same? Does he put as much stress on his elbow throwing? Is his career reliant on throwing max effort in high leverage situations 60+ innings year? If answer is no to any of those.... why does it make sense comparing apples to oranges?

 

Teams don't like throwing players under the knife just to do so. In next 6 weeks, we will know how healed his arm is and what the next step forward will be. If he injuries it again and needs it TJ..... I still will have zero issue with their decision. Can't make decisions based off of a few past pitchers in our system. Everyone's body is completely different.