Luke Heimlich

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Pretty simple to me. He served his punishment and has shown no signs that the behavior (whether he did or didn't do it) would be repeated. I wouldn't hesitate to take him if I was a GM and would be ready to justify the decision. I understand the frustration that victims and their families feel about the system, but from all indications Luke and his circumstances aren't the type of case you make an example of and try to ruin someones life. He served his punishment. He should be treated as such, not vilified forever. Whether he did it or didn't. period. We either have a legal system with punishment we agree upon as a society or we have mob rule and punishment that is proportionate to the victims/families outrage.

 

Grabbing pitch forks and storming the castle hasn't really worked for... ever...

 

Spot on

[FVBrewerFan]

Pretty simple to me. He served his punishment and has shown no signs that the behavior (whether he did or didn't do it) would be repeated. I wouldn't hesitate to take him if I was a GM and would be ready to justify the decision. I understand the frustration that victims and their families feel about the system, but from all indications Luke and his circumstances aren't the type of case you make an example of and try to ruin someones life. He served his punishment. He should be treated as such, not vilified forever. Whether he did it or didn't. period. We either have a legal system with punishment we agree upon as a society or we have mob rule and punishment that is proportionate to the victims/families outrage.

 

Grabbing pitch forks and storming the castle hasn't really worked for... ever...

 

No, if he did it he should be vilified forever.

[homer]

Sorry my post was greatly taken out of proportion. I was curious where the line is drawn on moral issues. .

 

I think most people in society today draw the line at child molestation.

 

Personally, I don't think the guy should be in jail forever but I also don't blame GMs for passing.

[Harry Doyles JD]

Why not draft Heimlich? Where exactly are we suppose to draw moral line? Just looking at the Brewers we have a nice slate of questionable moral decisions made by our players.

 

-Jeremy Jeffress has a substance abuse problem and drove drunk.

-Ryan Braun proved to be a pretty terrible human for a little while.

-K-Rod best a woman/wife I believe?

-Domestic violence across the league multiple times.

 

What he did is seriously messed up don’t get me wrong. He was young though and while he probably knew it was wrong he might not have understood the magnitude of wrong. He was at a confusing age 13-15 when he did it. Despite popular belief not everyone was as mature as the typical person at the age.

 

Does he deserve a chance? I don’t know. I don’t know that the PR hit is worth it. I don’t really get how some people deserve second chances, but others are automatically scum. Some people are applauded after doing wrong if they try to make up for it...doubt this kid would get a warm welcome if he tried to do anything good.

 

Once again I’m not sure what to think of him. I just find it interesting how much hate this wrong doing gets while the majority just doesn’t care about DUIs, cheaters, liars, and domestic violence in this sport. Heck we celebrate and remember Jose Fernandez who did hard drugs and possibly/probably killed some of his friends crashing a boat under the influence. His number will hang in the rafters forever.

I may be willing to accept your point if he were actually being contrite about it right now.

[DHonks]

Why not draft Heimlich? Where exactly are we suppose to draw moral line? Just looking at the Brewers we have a nice slate of questionable moral decisions made by our players.

 

-Jeremy Jeffress has a substance abuse problem and drove drunk.

-Ryan Braun proved to be a pretty terrible human for a little while.

-K-Rod best a woman/wife I believe?

-Domestic violence across the league multiple times.

 

What he did is seriously messed up don’t get me wrong. He was young though and while he probably knew it was wrong he might not have understood the magnitude of wrong. He was at a confusing age 13-15 when he did it. Despite popular belief not everyone was as mature as the typical person at the age.

 

Does he deserve a chance? I don’t know. I don’t know that the PR hit is worth it. I don’t really get how some people deserve second chances, but others are automatically scum. Some people are applauded after doing wrong if they try to make up for it...doubt this kid would get a warm welcome if he tried to do anything good.

 

Once again I’m not sure what to think of him. I just find it interesting how much hate this wrong doing gets while the majority just doesn’t care about DUIs, cheaters, liars, and domestic violence in this sport. Heck we celebrate and remember Jose Fernandez who did hard drugs and possibly/probably killed some of his friends crashing a boat under the influence. His number will hang in the rafters forever.

I may be willing to accept your point if he were actually being contrite about it right now.

 

Please read all the articles and comments. He proclaims his innocence and yet feels very sorry his family has been out through this. If his story is correct, I know of fellow teachers that have resigned despite proclaiming innocence over accusations

[FVBrewerFan]

I read the article. Really doesn't say anything at all that means anything. Good family, religious family, yada yada. Doesn't change anything. Maybe he did it, maybe not. If he did, he deserves all the consequences. If he did not, yea it's a really crappy thing to be tagged with.

 

That's why I would never agree to a plea deal, ever. No way I could admit doing something like that. He did, attorney and family probably told him to plea, I get that.

 

Either he did it, or the mother coached her what to say. If he really didn't do it, why aren't they bringing a suit against the mother? One of many questions I have about this whole mess.

 

But the fact he proclaimed his innocence means absolutely nothing. As with the teachers you referenced. Maybe they did something, maybe they didn't. But of course they're going to proclaim their innocence. You know what? Chances are some of them did something, some of them didn't.

[trwi7]

The kid has shown huge regret.

 

He pled guilty, the story got out and now he's denying that he did it. What part of that is huge regret?

[JackNicholson1974]

It's not always so black and white.

 

As a criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that I have had big cases, where people enter a plea to something less so as to avoid the unknown or losing a trial on something bigger. Often times, cases are resolved based upon the perceived "certainty" of a plea deal vs the uncertainty of trial.

 

I can also tell you that this "not being able to play MLB" would fall as a collateral consequence to his conviction - not unlike someone losing their right to own a firearm after a felony conviction, and that upon being advised of said collateral consequence during a plea colloquy that clients have balked at entering a plea and negotiations are restarted to avoid that charge/plea and that collateral consequence...because its not really about the truth or fairness, its about convictions for the State and avoiding an undersireable punishment for defendants.

 

I would not be at all surprised if all parties, including the State, went back in time and advised that this collateral consequence would be out there, that a different deal would have been made. On top of that, because juvie records are sealed, it should not have gotten out to begin with and that is always taken into consideration in juvie deals as well.

 

The entire case sounds like a headache for the Brewers or any MLB team so best to avoid, but it isnt black and white, I can assure you that.

[And That]

Heimlich went undrafted.

[xisxisxis]

He pled guilty, the story got out and now he's denying that he did it.

 

In case facts actually matter to you, I will point out that he has denied doing it since the beginning. The court appointed counselor had him in individual counseling because they specifically don't have people who deny the crime they have pled to in group counseling. It is in the counselors notes from the BEGINNING that he has denied doing anything like what he has been accused/pled guilty to. So, no he didn't start changing his story, at all, once the information got out. He has denied it from the beginning.

 

but it isnt black and white

 

I don't find anything in life that is black and white and I am amazed people can treat so many things as bits. Heck 32 bit color doesn't have enough shades to represent the complexity of some issues...

[DHonks]

Let me just say that if an accusation against me--as a teacher, coach, and human being--is ever made, I hope that many people on this forum are removed from any jury pool. They don't care about being impartial or fair. It's why I generally don't rush to judgement in major news stories.

[markedman5]

Heimlich went undrafted.

 

So all 30 GM's/Owners had no trouble drawing the line.