Is it possible that we could be buyers at the deadline?

[rcc]

I think Feliz is a bad pickup. But thankfully he's only got a 1 year contract then he's gone. Knebel as closer is a much better idea.

 

Stearns is a good GM and could be the next Epstein and bring a championship to Milwaukee. Homegrown stars are better than high priced free agents with multi-year contracts.

 

Getting an ace like Lester and Arietta should be the only reason to give the big money. Position players never really work out with $200 million contracts.

[Oxy]

Getting an ace like Lester and Arietta should be the only reason to give the big money. Position players never really work out with $200 million contracts.

 

I'd say those $200M contracts don't work out even less so for pitchers. Harper and Machado are going to get paid, and I think they'll be more worth whatever deals they get than paying Max Scherzer $35M/yr in '19, '20, and '21.

[stalton]

Like others have said, I think we can do both. Sell Garza, an outfielder for more depth and we can be small buyers as well. Jerry Hairston Jr wasn't a world beater but in his limited time in Milwaukee, he played more games for us than Eric K played in the MLB total.

[3and2Fastball]

I think Quintana would require Hader plus either Arcia or Dubon plus Brinson

 

Maybe you could pull off Hader + Arcia + Phillips or Cordell plus another top pitching prospect and keep Brinson

[brewcrewdue80]

I think Quintana would require Hader plus either Arcia or Dubon plus Brinson

 

Maybe you could pull off Hader + Arcia + Phillips or Cordell plus another top pitching prospect and keep Brinson

 

 

Oh come on. 3 top 30s for Q? What team is remotely offering something that has two top 30s. Arcia hasnt even completed his first full 162 games and we want to trade that top 10 prospect already? Such a joke. Hey he's not beating Carlos Correa with the bat so he sucks. Lets trade him. Villar too, he sucks. Santana too he sucks. Broxton, he sucks. Go find a Unicorn because now that we have batters who are grouping around .800OPS with the bat, it isn't .950OPS so we should move on from them? Oh my gosh, they make a few errors having played less than 2seasons of baseball. Because Rickie Weeks was a gold glove right? Yuni B certainly? Aramis Ramirez? How many dpes Braun have?

The standards I read here for so many players are ridiculous! We're in 1st place with these guys being on the field and at the plate. Take up fandom of the Tigers or Whire Sox. Find me a 25man roster that your happy with filled with Mike Trouts and Clayton Kershaws. Youre always going to be upset with every player that takes the field.

 

3and2 this isnt fully directly at you. Just reading far too many posts to trade essentially everyone. 1 and done gotta move on.

 

Please list where you are ranking the Brewers position players compared to the starters of the other 29teams. I promise you not a single one is 30th. Not a single one is 25th. Keep climbing the ladder and realize how good these guys are. Not a single one of them is a FA in 3years.

 

We've got one of the best minor League systems in Baseball at the moment, if not the best. You dont have to put 3 top 100 in every offer to get a good ML player. It took Lucroy+Jeffress to get only 2 from the Rangers. Our top 100s are in the top 80 and climbing. This isnt a Peralta/Nelson/Thornburg #1 Brewers prospect around 85 with this group.

Im just going to end rant.

[3and2Fastball]

I'm not suggesting that I would like such a trade, I just think that is what it will take to get Quintana

[Greenleaf1]

Two top 100's is what the White Sox got for Adam Eaton.

 

Jeffress was a glorified setup guy with not a super long track record, and Lucroy had a year and a half of control left.

 

Quintana is a proven innings eater with a remarkably consistent ERA in the low 3's over years with cheap control for 3 1/2 years. He's going to get a bigger package on his own than we got for Lucroy/Jeffress for sure.

 

Brinson's going to be untouchable in trade talks, but I would think the Brewers would have to put together an offer of 4-5 prospects in order to get Quintana or at least be competitive with other teams' offers. Probably something like Ray, Hader, F Peralta, plus one of Cordell/Phillips/Broxton. Probably include a near major league ready reliever as well like Tristan Archer.

 

I guess the question is: would that be worth it? I feel like we'd be giving up a future star in Ray but how many future stars do we need in 3 outfield spots? Braun/Brinson/Santana seems like a pretty awesome outfield to me, with plenty of backups to choose from from who we didn't trade. Broxton is expendable and seems like a great choice to include in a package for TOR pitching. Peralta is far from a sure thing, and seems like the kind of prospect you could get away with flipping, also we'd be selling high on him seeing as we got him for Adam Lind.

 

I'd hate to lose Hader, but the risk involved in getting 4-6 years of a dominant Hader vs. including him in a deal to get 3 1/2 years of a proven Quintana seems like an ok risk to me.

 

 

I'm not sure I'd like to offer much more than this proposed package though, and honestly this would probably be a losing trade for us in the long run in terms of WAR, but sooner or later some of these prospects have to be flipped for pitching. We can't have 7 outfielders on the team.

[adambr2]

I think Quintana would require Hader plus either Arcia or Dubon plus Brinson

 

Maybe you could pull off Hader + Arcia + Phillips or Cordell plus another top pitching prospect and keep Brinson

 

 

Oh come on. 3 top 30s for Q? What team is remotely offering something that has two top 30s. Arcia hasnt even completed his first full 162 games and we want to trade that top 10 prospect already? Such a joke. Hey he's not beating Carlos Correa with the bat so he sucks. Lets trade him. Villar too, he sucks. Santana too he sucks. Broxton, he sucks. Go find a Unicorn because now that we have batters who are grouping around .800OPS with the bat, it isn't .950OPS so we should move on from them? Oh my gosh, they make a few errors having played less than 2seasons of baseball. Because Rickie Weeks was a gold glove right? Yuni B certainly? Aramis Ramirez? How many dpes Braun have?

The standards I read here for so many players are ridiculous! We're in 1st place with these guys being on the field and at the plate. Take up fandom of the Tigers or Whire Sox. Find me a 25man roster that your happy with filled with Mike Trouts and Clayton Kershaws. Youre always going to be upset with every player that takes the field.

 

3and2 this isnt fully directly at you. Just reading far too many posts to trade essentially everyone. 1 and done gotta move on.

 

Please list where you are ranking the Brewers position players compared to the starters of the other 29teams. I promise you not a single one is 30th. Not a single one is 25th. Keep climbing the ladder and realize how good these guys are. Not a single one of them is a FA in 3years.

 

We've got one of the best minor League systems in Baseball at the moment, if not the best. You dont have to put 3 top 100 in every offer to get a good ML player. It took Lucroy+Jeffress to get only 2 from the Rangers. Our top 100s are in the top 80 and climbing. This isnt a Peralta/Nelson/Thornburg #1 Brewers prospect around 85 with this group.

Im just going to end rant.

 

Man this was a little over the top in the context of the conversation. All he said was the kind of deal he thought it would take to land Quintana. If a bidding war ensues at the deadline than they might be the kind of deal it takes. It doesn't mean we should do it.

[brewcrewdue80]

Broxton is expendable? Sure for Quintana. Id add zach Davies and Bickford call it a day. Broxton must be near top 8CFs in Baseball. Looking close to a 20/40 speedy CF with OB skills. Do 5 of those CFs even exist in current MLB? The stats hes putting up is better than the overly rated Billy Hamilton. It's crazy to suggest him with 2 of our top 5 prospects. If Broxton were putting up these numbers in AAA hed be every bit as high or higher than Brinson is. Look Q is a fine pitcher, but hes not an Ace. Hes not CC Sabathia or Zach Grienke. Chris Sale. With all that hes done, has even even received Cy Young votes in any years?

If I offered Broxton with Davies and Bickford. Please be GM for other teams and beat that? Id like to see 5teams with better proposals posted below. And explain the reasoning as GM this is a logical move to make.

[MilwaukeesBest]

I think a conversation like this to Chicago has Hahn hanging up the phone while laughing. Bickford is maybe a starter, been suspended twice for drugs, and has reportedly lost velocity, also hurt. Broxton is not a top 8 center fielder, and Davies is almost as unproven as Bickford is. Great last year but this year he's been very hittable and his control has not been great.

 

I think the proposal that you laid into would be far closer and probably a realistic foundation to get a deal going. Quintana IS an ace in every sense of the word. He's solid, controllable, cheap, and dependable. I don't think he's the one I'd want to target, though. I like the idea of trading for Gerrit Cole but big deals within the division are very risky (ask Pittsburg about Jason Rogers). I'd much rather wait this out right now TBH. I like the idea of buying value this FA period with the historic crop. Guerra could also be our #1 this year if he performs how he did last year. Big if but worth the risk IMO.

[Oxy]

We still don't know what we have with Broxton, but at the very least it looks like he is a starting caliber CF with what, 5 years of cheap control? At most, he's an all-star. If he is still hitting in July, then I'd think that Broxton-Davies-Bickford would be a decent offer for Quintana. Arcia-Davies-Phillips would work for me too. Maybe Santana-Arcia-Davies.

 

I'm still pushing for a Santana, Arcia, Phillips, Ray, Davies, Medeiros and Supak for Chris Archer and Alex Cobb. Tampa loves controllable young talent, right?

[Warning Track Power]

I'm still pushing for a Santana, Arcia, Phillips, Ray, Davies, Medeiros and Supak for Chris Archer and Alex Cobb. Tampa loves controllable young talent, right?

While I am all for acquiring TOR talent like Archer and Cobb...this would absolutely GUT the system. This would likely mean Villar moves to SS, Brinson moves to RF, Perez/Franklin/Sogard at 2B. While I would love to acquire these guys, (especially given Archer is not a FA until after 2021, although Cobb is one after this season) it seems more like a Dombrowski-big market move than a Stearns-small market one.

[Oxy]

I'm still pushing for a Santana, Arcia, Phillips, Ray, Davies, Medeiros and Supak for Chris Archer and Alex Cobb. Tampa loves controllable young talent, right?

While I am all for acquiring TOR talent like Archer and Cobb...this would absolutely GUT the system. This would likely mean Villar moves to SS, Brinson moves to RF, Perez/Franklin/Sogard at 2B. While I would love to acquire these guys, (especially given Archer is not a FA until after 2021, although Cobb is one after this season) it seems more like a Dombrowski-big market move than a Stearns-small market one.

 

Cordell and Dubon are still there too. And Woodruff, Hader, Ortiz, Lopez. And Burnes, Bickford, and Pennington. And the Carolina lineup except for Ray.

[tmwiese55]

I didn't know Archer had that much time left. Could be another guy in consideration due to that. In this scenario you're talking, why not just get him instead of both and not give up as much in prospects.

[Oxy]

I didn't know Archer had that much time left. Could be another guy in consideration due to that. In this scenario you're talking, why not just get him instead of both and not give up as much in prospects.

 

Because Archer, Cobb, Garza, Guerra, and Nelson is a good rotation. Archer, Garza, Guerra, Nelson, and ??? might be an okay rotation. We have the depth to trade and Tampa is going to need a haul to pry Archer away from them, and they are losing Cobb anyway after the year (so would we, but this would only theoretically work if we are in it in July and they are not in it. It's still probably only theoretical)

[adambr2]

Broxton is expendable? Sure for Quintana. Id add zach Davies and Bickford call it a day. Broxton must be near top 8CFs in Baseball. Looking close to a 20/40 speedy CF with OB skills. Do 5 of those CFs even exist in current MLB? The stats hes putting up is better than the overly rated Billy Hamilton. It's crazy to suggest him with 2 of our top 5 prospects. If Broxton were putting up these numbers in AAA hed be every bit as high or higher than Brinson is. Look Q is a fine pitcher, but hes not an Ace. Hes not CC Sabathia or Zach Grienke. Chris Sale. With all that hes done, has even even received Cy Young votes in any years?

If I offered Broxton with Davies and Bickford. Please be GM for other teams and beat that? Id like to see 5teams with better proposals posted below. And explain the reasoning as GM this is a logical move to make.

 

Yeah, not even close. Bickford's value is minimal right now until he can come back from his suspension and injury and re-establish himself as a prospect. Davies is a back end of the rotation starter. Broxton has the most value among the bunch and I love Broxton, but he's not bringing back a cost controlled ace as the centerpiece. And yes, Quintana is an ace, and yes, he finished top 10 in Cy Young voting last year. No, he's not as good as Sale or Kershaw, but he's far better than any starter we have.

 

They are asking for the sun and the moon for Quintana and while they may not get what they hope, there are about 10 other teams that would love a starter like Quintana who could blow that offer away. If Broxton/Bickford/Davies was enough for Quintana, it would be done.

[Oxy]

I thought Archer was 26. He's 28. Those are 2 important years, even if I kind of supported the opposite argument in that other thread. I'd try to keep Arcia in that case, maybe put in Lopez and McClanahan instead.

[pacopete4]

50 games into the season and we find ourselves in first place so far. The next 50 games will tell us a lot about what we should expect come the end of July. If we are in a similar spot, I don't expect a huge buy at the deadline but I also don't expect to sell off the farm either. I actually think if we are in a similar spot, there are the Jerry Harrison's of the world that can't help push this team towards a run at the playoffs come August and September.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

The more I think about it the more I think that buying now would be a colossal mistake. STAY THE FRIGGIN COURSE.

[Oxy]

The more I think about it the more I think that buying now would be a colossal mistake. STAY THE FRIGGIN COURSE.

 

So, we are going to head into 2018 with Braun, Broxton, Santana, Brinson, Phillips, Cordell, Thames, and Aguilar?

[MilwaukeeBeers]

The more I think about it the more I think that buying now would be a colossal mistake. STAY THE FRIGGIN COURSE.

 

So, we are going to head into 2018 with Braun, Broxton, Santana, Brinson, Phillips, Cordell, Thames, and Aguilar?

No they're moves that will have to be made. But buying a year and a half rental to "contend" this year and next goes against DS's core mission statement. I'm all for acquiring more young, controllable talent for those pieces just not the rentals. The Cubs are a borderline dynasty and it would be wise to follow that model, and not blow our load for this year and next. I don't mind winning, and I'm not in Hinkie's tank club, but the Cubs are likely gonna hold this division for the foreseeable future, so asset management is key.

[pacopete4]

The Cubs are nowhere near a borderline dynasty. Come on man. Lots of work left to do for them.

[Oxy]

The Cubs are nowhere near a borderline dynasty. Come on man. Lots of work left to do for them.

 

I wouldn't say they have a lot of work to do, although they obviously will need to continually re-build their pitching staff. Their position player group is set up extremely well for the next 5 years.

[pacopete4]

The Cubs are nowhere near a borderline dynasty. Come on man. Lots of work left to do for them.

 

I wouldn't say they have a lot of work to do, although they obviously will need to continually re-build their pitching staff. Their position player group is set up extremely well for the next 5 years.

 

 

I would. People throw around the word dynasty way too much. They've won a single World Series. While they have a lot of young talent on their roster it guarantees them absolutely nothing. They have a lot of work to do.

[MKEguy]

To take a step away from Q and Cubs dynasties for a moment...

 

I do not see the rebuild as complete, but we are competing. I like it. I agree Broxton is a solid CF. I'd like to see DS sell and buy at the same time. As far as production, what would our expectation for Brinson be? If he produced Broxton numbers, we'd all be happy and I think that's a distinct possibility. Trade Broxton for minor leaguers DS loves. Then make a trade or two at the deadline to improve the bottom 10% of the 25 man.

 

I can see something like that happening, where I'd be very surprised if we saw any blockbusters this summer, whether it's a big buy or big sell.