Pitching staff adjustments?

[Oxy]

Sounds highly likely that Garza is headed to the DL.

 

Is this from TH? Counsell?

[rcc]

This Sun article of today's game reports that the Brewers lead mlb in losses by the bullpen. 16! I knew it was bad but to read it like that really sucks. It's at the end.

 

http://www.milwaukeesun.com/news/253467115/brewers-blank-dodgers-to-avoid-sweep

[adambr2]

Sounds highly likely that Garza is headed to the DL.

 

Is this from TH? Counsell?

 

Both.

 

TH asked Craig after the game, said Garza feels awful, like he was in a car crash.

 

If he's going to miss even one start no reason not to DL him. His starts line up with Woodruff, so we can dream, but I'd bet highly on it being Espino.

[adambr2]

2019 bullpen:

 

Hader (yes, he's going to wind up in the pen, sorry.)

Knebel

Barnes

Taylor Williams

Bickford

Medeiros

?

 

Hang in there, help is on the way...

[JohnBriggs12]

Sounds highly likely that Garza is headed to the DL.

 

Is this from TH? Counsell?

 

Both.

 

TH asked Craig after the game, said Garza feels awful, like he was in a car crash.

 

If he's going to miss even one start no reason not to DL him. His starts line up with Woodruff, so we can dream, but I'd bet highly on it being Espino.

 

I'll take that bet. Espino is listed as Colorado Springs' starter today. Don't read too much into his use for a one time spot start last month. He's still a 30 year old who's not really a future rotation piece. Woodruff makes sense on a lot of levels. It's a perfect time to get a look at where he's at, so even if he goes right back down, he'll have planted a seed for the not too distant future with a solid performance.

[SoCalBrewfan]

Woodruff is not currently on the 40-man roster, so I'd be a bit surprised if they added him right now (and made a corresponding move to take someone off) for a single start. To be sure, I wouldn't really shed a tear if they DFAd Feliz or Hughes...but that would also require adding a reliever as well and I just don't know whether they're ready to do that yet. Of the 40-man pitchers, Espino and Lopez might be the only ones currently starting (though Jungmann has had some longish relief outings in AAA), and Lopez is scuffling right now.

[SoCalBrewfan]

This Sun article of today's game reports that the Brewers lead mlb in losses by the bullpen. 16! I knew it was bad but to read it like that really sucks.

 

The flip side of that is that only the Astros have fewer losses by starting pitchers (Nats are tied with Brewers). Brewers starters are 21-11. Of course, pitcher W-L are not the most important stats in the world, but still...who would have predicted that?

 

The good news, I think, is that the suckiness in the bullpen is pretty localized, and there are options in AAA. If Tyler Cravy is checking box scores, he must be be wondering what they're waiting for.

[adambr2]

 

I'll take that bet. Espino is listed as Colorado Springs' starter today. Don't read too much into his use for a one time spot start last month. He's still a 30 year old who's not really a future rotation piece. Woodruff makes sense on a lot of levels. It's a perfect time to get a look at where he's at, so even if he goes right back down, he'll have planted a seed for the not too distant future with a solid performance.

 

Listed doesn't mean much at this point, the game is 8 hours away and they probably want to see how Garza feels today first.

 

If Garza goes on the DL and Espino still makes his start tonight then I'd agree they have something else in mind.

[JohnBriggs12]

Woodruff is not currently on the 40-man roster, so I'd be a bit surprised if they added him right now (and made a corresponding move to take someone off) for a single start. To be sure, I wouldn't really shed a tear if they DFAd Feliz or Hughes...but that would also require adding a reliever as well and I just don't know whether they're ready to do that yet. Of the 40-man pitchers, Espino and Lopez might be the only ones currently starting (though Jungmann has had some longish relief outings in AAA), and Lopez is scuffling right now.

 

There's plenty of options for opening a roster spot for a guy that under any circumstances would likely have one in September. That being said, Hader only was used for 2 innings and could be ready by Thursday as well.

[adambr2]

Woodruff is not currently on the 40-man roster, so I'd be a bit surprised if they added him right now (and made a corresponding move to take someone off) for a single start. To be sure, I wouldn't really shed a tear if they DFAd Feliz or Hughes...but that would also require adding a reliever as well and I just don't know whether they're ready to do that yet. Of the 40-man pitchers, Espino and Lopez might be the only ones currently starting (though Jungmann has had some longish relief outings in AAA), and Lopez is scuffling right now.

 

There's plenty of options for opening a roster spot for a guy that under any circumstances would likely have one in September. That being said, Hader only was used for 2 innings and could be ready by Thursday as well.

 

Hader they are pretty much grooming for a pen role this year so he doesn't make much sense for Thursday either unless they want to try to cover the whole game with bullpen by committee.

 

I agree Woodruff will probably have a roster spot by September, but it doesn't make much sense to DFA a guy now just for one start for Woodruff, unless they plan to somehow keep him up in the rotation .

[monty57]

2019 bullpen:

 

Hader (yes, he's going to wind up in the pen, sorry.)

Knebel

Barnes

Taylor Williams

Bickford

Medeiros

?

 

Hang in there, help is on the way...

 

Not saying your wrong, but if Woodruff and Ortiz are our only decent SP prospects who become starters in the majors, our rotation is in trouble, and we probably shouldn't be looking at being playoff hopefuls anytime soon.

[homer]

So if you are converting a guy to a reliever mid season, do you normally just start cutting down his innings all of a sudden? Can't you just have him be a reliever if he gets called up but still pitch starters innings in the minors?

[jerichoholicninja]

The Brewers have already shot down the whole Hader to the bullpen thing. They said he only threw 2 innings because they are cutting some of his starts short to keep his innings down. Which seems like the exact opposite thing you'd do to someone you want to move to the bullpen.

[SoCalBrewfan]

Seems like Espino didn't make his scheduled start in AAA...

[adambr2]

The Brewers have already shot down the whole Hader to the bullpen thing. They said he only threw 2 innings because they are cutting some of his starts short to keep his innings down. Which seems like the exact opposite thing you'd do to someone you want to move to the bullpen.

 

Just because they shot it down doesn't mean it's not true.

 

He's thrown 2 innings his last 2 outings, his family was interviewed and said they're trying him out in the pen. Managing his innings in June by having him make 2 inning starts all of the sudden doesn't make much sense to me. If they really aren't concerned about him going to the MLB pen and just want to develop him as a starter they'd be trying to build his innings up, not reduce them.

 

I guess people are going to draw their own conclusions but the writing seems to be on the wall to me.

[brewmann04]

I guess no one really knows what the plans are with Josh personally i want him to make it as a starter.

[FVBrewerFan]

The Brewers have already shot down the whole Hader to the bullpen thing. They said he only threw 2 innings because they are cutting some of his starts short to keep his innings down. Which seems like the exact opposite thing you'd do to someone you want to move to the bullpen.

 

Just because they shot it down doesn't mean it's not true.

 

He's thrown 2 innings his last 2 outings, his family was interviewed and said they're trying him out in the pen. Managing his innings in June by having him make 2 inning starts all of the sudden doesn't make much sense to me. If they really aren't concerned about him going to the MLB pen and just want to develop him as a starter they'd be trying to build his innings up, not reduce them.

 

I guess people are going to draw their own conclusions but the writing seems to be on the wall to me.

 

It makes perfect sense. If they want starts out of him in Mile come Aug or Sept, they need to limit his innings now. Then use July to stretch him out.

 

If the plan is to use him as a reliever, why is he still starting games??? Seems to me they would get him used to coming out of the pen if that was the plan.

[homer]

The Brewers have already shot down the whole Hader to the bullpen thing. They said he only threw 2 innings because they are cutting some of his starts short to keep his innings down. Which seems like the exact opposite thing you'd do to someone you want to move to the bullpen.

 

Just because they shot it down doesn't mean it's not true.

 

He's thrown 2 innings his last 2 outings, his family was interviewed and said they're trying him out in the pen. Managing his innings in June by having him make 2 inning starts all of the sudden doesn't make much sense to me. If they really aren't concerned about him going to the MLB pen and just want to develop him as a starter they'd be trying to build his innings up, not reduce them.

 

I guess people are going to draw their own conclusions but the writing seems to be on the wall to me.

 

I guess that's why I asked the question. It seems odd either way.

[A Swing and A Drive]

The Brewers would be silly to move Hader to the pen this early in his career. I'm 100% percent certain that they are committed to developing Josh as a starter. Any minor league bullpen appearances would be to just limit his innings, etc.

[Boomer5]

The Brewers would be silly to move Hader to the pen this early in his career. I'm 100% percent certain that they are committed to developing Josh as a starter. Any minor league bullpen appearances would be to just limit his innings, etc.

 

Well just based on the construction of the major league roster and the number and type of transactions, it appears they are somewhat comfortable with their starting pitching but it's clear they think they don't have any young, elite relievers anywhere near ready to go.

[adambr2]

The Brewers would be silly to move Hader to the pen this early in his career. I'm 100% percent certain that they are committed to developing Josh as a starter. Any minor league bullpen appearances would be to just limit his innings, etc.

 

So you think there's zero chance he'll join the Brewer bullpen this season?

[Oxy]

Johan Santana was in the pen for the better part of 4 years before dominating the AL and winning multiple Cy Youngs. The guy can pitch from the pen and still be a starter. There are dozens of these examples.

[adambr2]

Seems like Espino didn't make his scheduled start in AAA...

 

Yeah I think this makes it obvious they are just waiting and seeing with Garza and if he has to miss a start he'll go to the DL and Espino will come up.

[dacbrewers]

What's a joke is Brewers organization not bringing up starters to AAA when they are playing well. Back to back bullpen games have the bullpen stretched out.

[adambr2]

According to the broadcast tonight Garza will not be making his next start. Really don't understand why they haven't made a move .