Pitching staff adjustments?

[brewmann04]

dacbrewers thanks glad to see people being able to watch him.

Yes think he at the very least should be a sept call up, now need Hader to get back on track and control his walks.

[dacbrewers]

dacbrewers thanks glad to see people being able to watch him.

Yes think he at the very least should be a sept call up, now need Hader to get back on track and control his walks.

Woodruff is so far ahead of Lopez in my opinion.

[MillerParkSouth]

random: was just checking out Woodruff and Lopez's stats and saw that they were both born on 2/10/93.

[brewmann04]

Thanks dacbrewers Lopez I know has struggled in 3a but he has done well back in 2a.

It just seems like some guys can't handle Colorado springs.

PS I hoping to see Garza pitch lights out for the next 2 months

[dacbrewers]

Lopez is in his 3rd year at AA. He should be putting up some good numbers. The Rockies are always looking for pitchers that can handle the high altitude. What kind of haul could we get for Woodruff?

[Never Outhustled]

Lopez is in his 3rd year at AA. He should be putting up some good numbers. The Rockies are always looking for pitchers that can handle the high altitude. What kind of haul could we get for Woodruff?

 

Hopefully we'd get Brandon Woodruff back in the deal, as he's exactly what we need. He's a MLB ready, hardthrowing, healthy, strikeoutout pitcher who limits the longball and is cost controlled longterm.

[brewmann04]

I don't think the brewers should be trading pitching at this point.

[monty57]

I don't think the brewers should be trading pitching at this point.

 

Not prospects anyway. I could see some of our current MLB staff getting traded if they can perform okay for a couple of months, opening up spots for guys like Woodruff, Lopez and Hader. By next year, I hope some of these guys have a few months of MLB experience, and are in the opening day rotation.

[MrTPlush]

If Williams can shake off the rust and get his control going, he could soar through the system

 

I've heard that for years and he just disappoints.

[statman0007]

With Woodruff, Lopez, and Hader getting close to deserving their shot in the big leagues, do we think that any of our current starters could make the switch to being a relief pitcher? Specifically thinking of Nelson and Peralta. It seems that their trade value is probably fairly minimal at this point (hard to believe a few short years ago people were talking about Nelson being the centerpiece in a potential trade for David Price) but they're young enough and talented enough that maybe they could reinvent themselves. Maybe the ability to add a couple MPH throwing an inning or two at a time could make them valuable contributors? I'd be happy if one of them turned into Tyler Thornburg 2.0

[MillerParkSouth]

I don't think Hader is particularly close to a call up, he hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire in AAA.

[dacbrewers]

Remember when everyone was calling for Tyler Wagner to be brought up...only to be traded soon afterwards...I could see that happening with several guys.

[FVBrewerFan]

If Williams can shake off the rust and get his control going, he could soar through the system

 

I've heard that for years and he just disappoints.

 

He disappoints? Because he got injured? He was on the fat track to make the Brewers roster before his TJ surgery. Since he's come back, he has been outstanding from winter league until today, other than one outing.

 

As for the others, yea Woodruff will be up mid-season if he keeps this up. Hader I'm still not convinced can be a starter in MLB, he has work to do. At least I'm still optimistic he can and will. Lopez.....I'm just not a fan. Maybe he can be a #5 starter, which is fine, but I have no illusions he'll be a huge part of the next Brewers playoff team.

[monty57]

Remember when everyone was calling for Tyler Wagner to be brought up...only to be traded soon afterwards...I could see that happening with several guys.

 

Melvin seemed to like "proven" talent over prospects (at least in the later years). Stearns seems like he'd rather trade away a "proven" guy with limited team control remaining and promote the prospects.

 

We just need a little more time to see if guys like Garza, Peralta and Anderson can pitch well enough until deadline that a team would be willing to give up something for them, or if some of our current guys pitch themselves out of the rotation.

[FVBrewerFan]

Remember when everyone was calling for Tyler Wagner to be brought up...only to be traded soon afterwards...I could see that happening with several guys.

 

Melvin seemed to like "proven" talent over prospects (at least in the later years). Stearns seems like he'd rather trade away a "proven" guy with limited team control remaining and promote the prospects.

 

We just need a little more time to see if guys like Garza, Peralta and Anderson can pitch well enough until deadline that a team would be willing to give up something for them, or if some of our current guys pitch themselves out of the rotation.

 

I don't think Melvin preferred proven talent over prospects, it was just a different time. Mark A had a "win now" goal, and Melvin was charged with making it happen.

 

I won't get into whether that was wise or not, just the way it was. Once the Brewers are ready to compete again, Stearns will look more like Melvin- trading prospects for vets.

[dacbrewers]

At some point Stearns is going to trade prospects for whatever position they need to fill. They have very few veteran assets left to sell off. So far the gm has had an easy job of selling and acquiring. The more important job will be trading prospects for key players needed to make a playoff run.

[brewcrewdue80]

With Woodruff, Lopez, and Hader getting close to deserving their shot in the big leagues, do we think that any of our current starters could make the switch to being a relief pitcher? Specifically thinking of Nelson and Peralta. It seems that their trade value is probably fairly minimal at this point (hard to believe a few short years ago people were talking about Nelson being the centerpiece in a potential trade for David Price) but they're young enough and talented enough that maybe they could reinvent themselves. Maybe the ability to add a couple MPH throwing an inning or two at a time could make them valuable contributors? I'd be happy if one of them turned into Tyler Thornburg 2.0

 

Nelsons numbers first time through a batting order compared to after is just screaming bullpen. That'd be Elite numbers right there and needs to be done. Maybe this move happens when Guerra returns.

 

Wasting away Woodruffs arm.

[brewmann04]

DS has done a great job adding prospects at middle infield and outfielder to make future deals for pitching and other spots as needed. I hope Garza puts on a lights out performance and the crew can move him and think it Nelson spot that can be in jeopardy.

[reillymcshane]

 

Nelsons numbers first time through a batting order compared to after is just screaming bullpen. That'd be Elite numbers right there and needs to be done. Maybe this move happens when Guerra returns.

A while back in an online chat with Dave Cameron at Fangraphs, someone asked who he thinks would be a good candidate to be converted from a bad/mediocre starter to a good/excellent reliever. He answered Nelson.

 

I think (and this is going by memory, so I might be wrong), he's felt that Nelson doesn't have a good 3rd pitch. And his other offerings just aren't that good to overcome that. Combine that with mediocre control - says bullpen.

[MrTPlush]

Converting Wily Peralta would be kind of pointless at this point. He already went through arby once and is expnsive. Make him a reliever and you pretty much are non tendering him at years end.

 

Jimmy Nelson would be a more interesting case.

[monty57]

Converting Wily Peralta would be kind of pointless at this point. He already went through arby once and is expnsive. Make him a reliever and you pretty much are non tendering him at years end.

 

Jimmy Nelson would be a more interesting case.

 

I agree that with Peralta, it's starter or nothing. He had back-to-back subpar outings (4IP, 6ER vs StL & 5IP, 4 ER vs Cin). Other than that, he's been decent. I think that if he continues pitching like he has been so far this year, following up on his good second half of last season, he has value. If we need the spot for prospects, someone would trade for him. If we think we'll need him in future rotations, he still has two arby seasons remaining (he is in year two, but has four years of arby).

 

Nelson should get sent down to the minors when Guerra's ready. Let him work on things as a starter, and if he can't figure it out, convert him to a reliever down there.

 

So, Guerra comes back, Nelson goes down. At the deadline, Garza, Feliz, and Peralta are all shopped around. Unless Nelson is really lighting it up as a starter, Woodruff and Lopez take the open spots when Garza and Peralta are traded, giving them some MLB experience going into 2018, where we will hopefully have a more talented rotation with Guerra, Anderson, Woodruff, Lopez, Hader, and more talent pushing their way up through the minors.

 

Of course, if we're still in the division and WC races in late July, all that might change. But that would probably mean that our current pitching was getting better and/or some of the prospects are already up.

[FVBrewerFan]

Converting Wily Peralta would be kind of pointless at this point. He already went through arby once and is expnsive. Make him a reliever and you pretty much are non tendering him at years end.

 

Jimmy Nelson would be a more interesting case.

 

Nelson should get sent down to the minors when Guerra's ready. Let him work on things as a starter, and if he can't figure it out, convert him to a reliever down there.

 

So, Guerra comes back, Nelson goes down. At the deadline, Garza, Feliz, and Peralta are all shopped around. Unless Nelson is really lighting it up as a starter, Woodruff and Lopez take the open spots when Garza and Peralta are traded, giving them some MLB experience going into 2018, where we will hopefully have a more talented rotation with Guerra, Anderson, Woodruff, Lopez, Hader, and more talent pushing their way up through the minors.

 

Of course, if we're still in the division and WC races in late July, all that might change. But that would probably mean that our current pitching was getting better and/or some of the prospects are already up.

 

I pretty much agree with this. To me, it doesn't matter much if Nelson or Anderson is sent down temporarily or put in the bullpen. But Nelson really could be a nice BP arm if they go that route, and he embraces it.

 

Just a couple things in bold, I would add Anderson (30) and Knebel as guys they will shopping. Also, don't forget about Davies as part of the 2018 rotation.

[Greenleaf1]

I think Stearns should still be in "listen to all offers" mode.

 

In terms of guys we could actually GET offers for, I'd like Stearns to be looking to move Garza, Feliz, and Peralta. Anderson too if the price is right (wouldn't surprise me if we could get a nice return for him if he keeps pitching well).

 

Realistically, we're going to want to open up spots in the rotation over the next 2 years for Woodruff, Hader, Ortiz, and Lopez to get extended tryouts at an absolute minimum. It would be nice for Espino, Burgos, and Wilkerson to get a look as well. I think we're hitting the point where we're all losing patience at the below average rotation that's made all the more frustrating because they have so much potential to be good (Nelson and Peralta in particular).

 

If I were Stearns, my goal for 2nd half of 2017 would be to see if we potentially have the pieces to make a WC run next year. As far as hitting goes, I think we might already be there, but the rotation and bullpen could both use upgrades and we definitely have guys at AAA who could potentially help in both those areas.

 

I have faith that Stearns has a plan for all this stuff. Nelson to the pen does seem like a great idea.

[newrivervalley]

If my memory serves me well, Nelson always has 1st and 2nd inning problems. He takes a while to settle into a rhythm. Don't see him in the BP.

[Ennder]

Peralta has no trade value imo, 3 straight years of a 4.80+ ERA is not getting anything. The only way to salvage any value from him is to turn him into a bullpen guy. I strongly feel Peralta is pitching for his starting career these next few starts. If he stinks he will be out of the rotation when Junior comes back and he will never see it again. He just can't get lefties out. It is bullpen or end of career for him unless he figures out his curve or change up as a meaningful pitch.

 

What they should have done last year was put him in the minors and tell him he wasn't getting another shot until he has a change up. Make him throw it 20-30% of the time until he gets the hang of it. There was no reason to think he was going to improve without a change in pitch selection. He is at least showing a change and a curve this year but both are at 5%, they need to be a bigger part of the game especially against lefties.