Time to Start Worrying About Villar?

[rickh150]

He was clearly safe. Counsell just didn't challenge for some reason.

 

After taking off for 3rd and being out again.... I think CC said to himself I'm not challenging it for this crap... he was safe, called out, then like a tball kid took off for 3rd. He didn't overslide the base.

[pacopete4]

He was clearly safe. Counsell just didn't challenge for some reason.

 

After taking off for 3rd and being out again.... I think CC said to himself I'm not challenging it for this crap... he was safe, called out, then like a tball kid took off for 3rd. He didn't overslide the base.

 

oh my. He would've been safe at 3B if the ump made the correct call at second. Only reason he was out there was that he stopped running after an emphatic out call by the ump. It was heads up running knowing no one was covering 3B.

[jerichoholicninja]

He was clearly safe. Counsell just didn't challenge for some reason.

 

After taking off for 3rd and being out again.... I think CC said to himself I'm not challenging it for this crap... he was safe, called out, then like a tball kid took off for 3rd. He didn't overslide the base.

 

oh my. He would've been safe at 3B if the ump made the correct call at second. Only reason he was out there was that he stopped running after an emphatic out call by the ump. It was heads up running knowing no one was covering 3B.

 

I don't know if that's why he went for third but after being safe at second he would have been safe at third had he actually ran the whole way there instead of pulling up 20 feet short

[adambr2]

Villar hating at its best today.

 

I mean it's pretty justified by this point, isn't it? It's not like last year when he was actually really good and people just hated on him because of his style of play.

[Boomer5]

I think the time to worry is over. It is time to admit that this is a guy who is not likely to get 600 PA in a season again.

 

Too bad, I was actually a fan of his last year.

[pacopete4]

Villar hating at its best today.

 

I mean it's pretty justified by this point, isn't it? It's not like last year when he was actually really good and people just hated on him because of his style of play.

 

 

Sure.

[MrTPlush]

I think the time to worry is over. It is time to admit that this is a guy who is not likely to get 600 PA in a season again.

 

Too bad, I was actually a fan of his last year.

 

You said the same about Segura too I bet right?

[monty57]

I think the time to worry is over. It is time to admit that this is a guy who is not likely to get 600 PA in a season again.

 

Too bad, I was actually a fan of his last year.

 

You said the same about Segura too I bet right?

 

At any given time, there are around 360-390 position players in the majors. In any given year, around 40-70 of them will have an .800 OPS season. There are very few who can routinely post .800+ OPS year after year. Villar isn't in the "year-after-year" group, but he's shown the ability to be a special player. Heck, he was a hair short of becoming only the third person in the history of the game to hit 20 HR with 60 SB in a season. Regardless of what you think of "old school stats," that's some rare company.

 

That is why someone with the talents of Villar will get multiple chances, even if he has down years. He has shown the ability to do things that few people can do, and there is reason to believe that he will do it again. Someone will give him another chance in the hope that he will turn into a star. We'll see if that "someone" is the Brewers or someone else.

[Greenleaf1]

I think the time to worry is over. It is time to admit that this is a guy who is not likely to get 600 PA in a season again.

 

Too bad, I was actually a fan of his last year.

 

You said the same about Segura too I bet right?

 

At any given time, there are around 360-390 position players in the majors. In any given year, around 40-70 of them will have an .800 OPS season. There are very few who can routinely post .800+ OPS year after year. Villar isn't in the "year-after-year" group, but he's shown the ability to be a special player. Heck, he was a hair short of becoming only the third person in the history of the game to hit 20 HR with 60 SB in a season. Regardless of what you think of "old school stats," that's some rare company.

 

That is why someone with the talents of Villar will get multiple chances, even if he has down years. He has shown the ability to do things that few people can do, and there is reason to believe that he will do it again. Someone will give him another chance in the hope that he will turn into a star. We'll see if that "someone" is the Brewers or someone else.

 

I think at this point, unless Villar shows noticeable improvement by the end of the year, he's kinda played his way back into placeholder status, much like he was at the beginning of last year before Arcia came up. I'm sure Stearns didn't think he would be a total bust, but I don't think he was realistically expecting Villar to be a starting infielder with the Brewers for the next 5 years when he traded for him.

 

Once the midseason prospect rankings come out, we're going to have three 2B in our top 15 prospects (Hiura, Diaz, and Dubon), and we're pretty set on the left side of our infield for years to come one would hope. I'm guessing Villar fights it out with Dubon next spring for time at 2nd, or who knows maybe we can resign Sogard for a reasonable price, but I think Villar's days as a regular starter are unlikely to return at this point unless he suddenly snaps out of his year long funk.

[monty57]

At any given time, there are around 360-390 position players in the majors. In any given year, around 40-70 of them will have an .800 OPS season. There are very few who can routinely post .800+ OPS year after year. Villar isn't in the "year-after-year" group, but he's shown the ability to be a special player. Heck, he was a hair short of becoming only the third person in the history of the game to hit 20 HR with 60 SB in a season. Regardless of what you think of "old school stats," that's some rare company.

 

That is why someone with the talents of Villar will get multiple chances, even if he has down years. He has shown the ability to do things that few people can do, and there is reason to believe that he will do it again. Someone will give him another chance in the hope that he will turn into a star. We'll see if that "someone" is the Brewers or someone else.

 

I think at this point, unless Villar shows noticeable improvement by the end of the year, he's kinda played his way back into placeholder status, much like he was at the beginning of last year before Arcia came up. I'm sure Stearns didn't think he would be a total bust, but I don't think he was realistically expecting Villar to be a starting infielder with the Brewers for the next 5 years when he traded for him.

 

Once the midseason prospect rankings come out, we're going to have three 2B in our top 15 prospects (Hiura, Diaz, and Dubon), and we're pretty set on the left side of our infield for years to come one would hope. I'm guessing Villar fights it out with Dubon next spring for time at 2nd, or who knows maybe we can resign Sogard for a reasonable price, but I think Villar's days as a regular starter are unlikely to return at this point unless he suddenly snaps out of his year long funk.

 

That's why I put the disclaimer at the end regarding whether it will be with the Brewers or someone else. If he remains a Brewer for the remainder of his team control, a good portion of that time could be on the bench. I really hope he can step it up in the second half. In the short run, that would obviously help our playoff hopes. In the longer run, it will make him a nice trade chip as the prospects you mentioned become MLB ready.

[Humans Need Water]

Sweet. It only took 5 responses before someone mentioned Villar was safe on that caught stealing and 7 responses before the entire play came to light actually showing his heads up base running.

 

Not surprising is nobody mentioning the bullet he took off his wrist/forearm yesterday that prevented not only a run from scoring but other runners potentially ending up in scoring position with a chance to get right back in the game.

 

Maybe people should worry more about watching a game objectively vs searching for the negatives in player's they don't care for

[Greenleaf1]

Sweet. It only took 5 responses before someone mentioned Villar was safe on that caught stealing and 7 responses before the entire play came to light actually showing his heads up base running.

 

Not surprising is nobody mentioning the bullet he took off his wrist/forearm yesterday that prevented not only a run from scoring but other runners potentially ending up in scoring position with a chance to get right back in the game.

 

Maybe people should worry more about watching a game objectively vs searching for the negatives in player's they don't care for

 

Just because we don't like Villar doesn't make us wrong.

 

He did make a great defensive play. So far I don't think that outweighs his poor batting line.

[homer]

I've defended Villar as much as anyone but it's obvious he's totally lost right now. The boneheaded stuff you can put up with as long as he's hitting but he's not so he should stay on the bench for now.

[jerichoholicninja]

I coach JV baseball. Watching Villar is like watching a JV player. He'll do all kinds of great things - make diving catches, hit line drive doubles to the wall, etc. and then cancel that out by doing all kinds of things that make no sense to you and wonder if he's ever played baseball before.

[brewcrewdue80]

Time to Stop Worrying. I dropped Villar from my fantasy team July 5th. Someone will pick him up and crush mt team the rest of the season all because of Villar. In other news I picked up Ian Happ for Villar and I think hes hitless since.

[rickh150]

Are we seriously going to trot this dude out daily? Against lefties too? And lead him off? We are almost forced to play him with Sogard out..... not sure why Dejesus isn't up...... he's crushing the ball in AAA too, right?

[trwi7]

De Jesus is a career .242/.303/.327 hitter in the majors. I'm not sure why you think he's going to do anything positive offensively.

[rickh150]

De Jesus is a career .242/.303/.327 hitter in the majors. I'm not sure why you think he's going to do anything positive offensively.

 

Because Dejesus raked in spring training...

Because if past major league results meant a lot, this team wouldn't be above .500.....

Because some players actually improve...

Because of Sogard's success.....

Sogard is useless then too, right? Play the hot hand, not the .190 hitter against lefties lead off in the middle of a playoff race when your AAA middle infielders are hitting well. Sogard, the other former AAA infielder who is hurt here has an OBP well into the .400's. By your logic, Sogard would have never been called up because of poor past results.

[danzig6767]

Are we seriously going to trot this dude out daily? Against lefties too? And lead him off? We are almost forced to play him with Sogard out..... not sure why Dejesus isn't up...... he's crushing the ball in AAA too, right?

This should be simple. Play Perez at secondbase anytime a lefty starter is on the mound.

[joepepsi]

Last year he was a better hitter against lefties than righties. For his career he's been a better hitter against lefties than righties. In general, platoon splits in a single season aren't an accurate representation, let alone splits over a half season.

[Greenleaf1]

As much as I've been hating on Villar, he just had an 8g hitting streak with an OBP over .370 during that time. He's obviously holding his own recently, let's hope he continues to improve.

 

Anyways, Sogard will be back in a few days so not much reason to fret anymore at this point.