Time to Start Worrying About Villar?

[rickh150]

Happy for Scoots but he's still not a good player.

 

Career .300 hitter vs. righties??? Not good?

Maybe a good platoon player instead of a good everyday 2Bman.

[MillerParkSouth]

As Plush pointed out above, he is a league average player at best.

[JohnBriggs12]

Happy for Scoots but he's still not a good player.

 

He's posted a positive WAR every year (2013-2017) he's been in the league and he's still just 27. You simply don't just waive guys like that and he's proving this season he's got the versatility to be a utility player too. There's something to be said about performing to a respectable level year in and year out, and Gennett's done just that.

[MrTPlush]

Happy for Scoots but he's still not a good player.

 

He's posted a positive WAR every year (2013-2017) he's been in the league and he's still just 27. You simply don't just waive guys like that and he's proving this season he's got the versatility to be a utility player too. There's something to be said about performing to a respectable level year in and year out, and Gennett's done just that.

 

What is he on pace for(ignoring a one night performance)? 1-1.5 WAR? Hernan Perez already has that this year. What exactly are we missing out on? He isn't versatile either. Maybe he is if you like poor defense at 3B or LF, but no thanks. Once again we have Hernan Perez who is better and even more versatile. You are mad we didn't give $2.5mil to someone who would never play.

[Boomer5]

As Plush pointed out above, he is a league average player at best.

 

Just tip your cap and move on. This argument is lost.

 

None of us saw this coming. We didn't see Segura turning into a 5 WAR SS, and I'm sure AZ didn't see Anderson turning into a 3 ERA starter.

 

It happens.

[reillymcshane]

Good for Scooter - but in the end, I don't really care.

 

I believe it's important to keep tabs on guys you give up on for a couple of reasons. One, you want to understand if the move was the right move - a way to help you evaluate future decisions. And second, you do want to hold decision makers accountable in the long run. Poor - or good - decisions need to kept in some sort of ledger as part of a holistic evaluation of our braintrust.

 

But in the end, I don't care about the guy, and it's pointless and defeating to sit around and moan about what might have been. After all, nothing can be done once a move has been made. We can't go back and redo it - so complaining over and over again, or always pointing out when the guy does well, or when his replacement doesn't do well - accomplishes nothing.

 

Go back to the root of the situation - the move is done. End of story. Dwelling on the decision does not change what has happened.

 

I'm not saying a person can't root for a former player they liked. Or lament a decision the team made. It's human nature to talk about 'what ifs'. But ultimately, you have to move on. Complaining repeatedly about something that we have no control over is just and exercise in futility.

[3and2Fastball]

In regards to Segura, we received Chase Anderson, Isan Diaz & Aaron Hill for Segura & Tyler Wagner. Anderson has been way better than any of us dreamed of, Diaz is only hitting .233/.331 in A+ ball at age 21 but is still regarded as a legit prospect. Hill gave us a half season of solid MLB production (.283/.359) and was flipped for Rijo & Wilkerson, neither of whom might be more than organizational fodder but Wilkerson might eventually be able to help in the bullpen, and Rijo is only 21 and plays both SS & 2B (and had a .400 OBP in A+ ball this year in a small sample).

 

Tyler Wagner has a 7.71 ERA in AAA this year

 

I don't mind the Segura trade at all, it depends on if Diaz develops still.

[MrTPlush]

If I was going to be bothered by the Segura trade it would be because of our coaching staffs inability to fix him. I can't get mad because we traded him and another team made him better. If he was still here it would be foolish to think he would play this well. He would likely still be replacement level.

[rickh150]

Villar asked CC why he didn't play Sunday.... get a clue.

[pacopete4]

Villar asked CC why he didn't play Sunday.... get a clue.

 

If THIS is what you're referring to, it sounds as though he just cares and wants to rebound. Good for him.

[MrTPlush]

Villar asked CC why he didn't play Sunday.... get a clue.

 

If THIS is what you're referring to, it sounds as though he just cares and wants to rebound. Good for him.

 

I don't understand why there always has to be one player on this team that everyone has to be so negative about when it comes to just about anything. I am not referring to Rick's comment alone, but in a general sense. Can't people ever hope he improves or get happy when he has a nice game? Nope just complete silence when he does something good and the comments come out of the woodworks when he does something bad.

 

I could understand all the negativity if we was lazy or acted like he didn't care, but jesh Villar goes out there every day 100%.

[pacopete4]

Couldn't agree more Plush. I've said it a few times. Hopefully last night really was day one of his season and he is ready for battle now because this team, even as great as Sogard has been, could use the Villar of a season ago in that leadoff spot.

[FVBrewerFan]

In fairness, what are we supposed to say after one productive game? He has not had a good season, so why act like that's not the case? But that doesn't mean we're pulling against him. Can you imagine what that would do to this offense if he ramped up and put up the numbers he did last year!?!? Of course we want that to happen.

 

And there's some irony here. Some of the same people who are "protecting" Villar have no problem throwing Feliz, Torres, Hughes, Drake, etc. under the bus.

[DuWayne Steurer]

In fairness, what are we supposed to say after one productive game? He has not had a good season, so why act like that's not the case? But that doesn't mean we're pulling against him. Can you imagine what that would do to this offense if he ramped up and put up the numbers he did last year!?!? Of course we want that to happen.

 

And there's some irony here. Some of the same people who are "protecting" Villar have no problem throwing Feliz, Torres, Hughes, Drake, etc. under the bus.

 

 

I think the comments are more about the idea/perception that ... it feels like there are people who literally seem like they don't want Villar to succeed. There's a negativity about the posts and the guy that just permeate a lot of the comments where even when he does something positive, it feels like you're waiting for him to get thrown out on a caught stealing or make a fielding error to see a flurry of negative posts again. "See!!! See!!! See how terrible he is!!"

 

He's a lightning rod player..... he's just one of those dudes who brings out the scorn. Eh, it is what it is. We're all fans, and we like who we like and in some cases, don't like who we don't like. Villar just seems to be one of those guys who is hard to like for some fans.

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea, I get that. I think you guys are talking about the IGT. That cat, and others, don't really limit their scorn to Villar. Every single time the starting pitcher leaves the game, we see "well, here comes a loss" or whatever. Broxton has been getting a lot of flack too.

 

With Villar, let's be honest. Early in the year he was picked off a couple times, had some horrible defensive plays, and not hitting. So there's lots of ammo there. Was the same way with Gomez.

 

But yea, I understand if I hung out in the IMG every night it would probably get old.

[monty57]

I'm glad Villar had a good night, and hope for continued success. Some of the negativity against him is probably based on two things:

 

1) He is one of only two of our regular hitters that isn't hitting. It's great that we have so many players hitting well, but it really makes his slow start stand out.

 

2) We have two guys who play his position (Perez & Sogard) who are hitting a lot better then Villar. Therefore, while people understand that he could potentially break out, they also understand that every time he starts he is taking PAs away from someone who is currently playing much better then he is playing.

 

I think Counsell has treated the situation pretty well. To start the season, naming him the starter and leadoff hitter made sense. After giving him a decent amount of time, he moved him down in the order. Then, with Sogard hitting so well, he started getting some starts. We'll have to see how everyone performs going forward, but I don't have a problem with how everyone's been used.

[pacopete4]

"Here comes the loss" when the bullpen enters the game is pretty justifiable since it's the category we actually lead the league in.

 

Villar, like Gomez, plays the game a different way than a lot of players in the league and anything different, especially to a bunch of Wisconsinians, is usually not a great mix. It is what it is I guess. Hopefully he'll go on a long hot streak so people can fake the love for a bit at least.

[FVBrewerFan]

"Here comes the loss" when the bullpen enters the game is pretty justifiable since it's the category we actually lead the league in.

 

Sure. But you can't have it both ways. Saying "here comes a K or soft grounder" when Villar is up or "don't get picked off" when he's actually on base is pretty justifiable too, no?

[DuWayne Steurer]

"Here comes the loss" when the bullpen enters the game is pretty justifiable since it's the category we actually lead the league in.

 

Villar, like Gomez, plays the game a different way than a lot of players in the league and anything different, especially to a bunch of Wisconsinians, is usually not a great mix. It is what it is I guess. Hopefully he'll go on a long hot streak so people can fake the love for a bit at least.

 

 

I think it's funny that Brewers fans deride the Cardinals and their fans for all that "play the game the right way" and "the Cardinal Way" stuff, but as soon as we get a few players who play the game with some exuberance and flair and excitement, we want our players to "play the game the right way" and such.

 

I love me a good bat flip, FWIW.

 

 

I can't even imagine a pitcher in MLB who's head wouldn't outright explode if a player did something like that.

 

Anyways....... I'm getting off topic. It'd just be nice if everyone at least pretended to want every Brewer player to be successful, even if only to improve their trade value....

[jerichoholicninja]

"Here comes the loss" when the bullpen enters the game is pretty justifiable since it's the category we actually lead the league in.

 

Villar, like Gomez, plays the game a different way than a lot of players in the league and anything different, especially to a bunch of Wisconsinians, is usually not a great mix. It is what it is I guess. Hopefully he'll go on a long hot streak so people can fake the love for a bit at least.

 

 

I think it's funny that Brewers fans deride the Cardinals and their fans for all that "play the game the right way" and "the Cardinal Way" stuff, but as soon as we get a few players who play the game with some exuberance and flair and excitement, we want our players to "play the game the right way" and such.

 

Has nothing to do with flair or exuberance, it's the utterly stupid play that those guys show so often. They have all the talent in the world but lack the discipline to do the simplest things consistently.

[monty57]

"Here comes the loss" when the bullpen enters the game is pretty justifiable since it's the category we actually lead the league in.

 

Villar, like Gomez, plays the game a different way than a lot of players in the league and anything different, especially to a bunch of Wisconsinians, is usually not a great mix. It is what it is I guess. Hopefully he'll go on a long hot streak so people can fake the love for a bit at least.

 

You mean those same Wisconsinites that loved players like "T Plush," and who have loudly cheered on players from countries all over the world (including cheering for Villar last season) as long as that player helps the team win?

[pacopete4]

"Here comes the loss" when the bullpen enters the game is pretty justifiable since it's the category we actually lead the league in.

 

Villar, like Gomez, plays the game a different way than a lot of players in the league and anything different, especially to a bunch of Wisconsinians, is usually not a great mix. It is what it is I guess. Hopefully he'll go on a long hot streak so people can fake the love for a bit at least.

 

 

I think it's funny that Brewers fans deride the Cardinals and their fans for all that "play the game the right way" and "the Cardinal Way" stuff, but as soon as we get a few players who play the game with some exuberance and flair and excitement, we want our players to "play the game the right way" and such.

 

I love me a good bat flip, FWIW.

 

 

I can't even imagine a pitcher in MLB who's head wouldn't outright explode if a player did something like that.

 

Anyways....... I'm getting off topic. It'd just be nice if everyone at least pretended to want every Brewer player to be successful, even if only to improve their trade value....

 

Baseballs unwritten rules. Don't get me started. And your last statement is spot on.

[pacopete4]

"Here comes the loss" when the bullpen enters the game is pretty justifiable since it's the category we actually lead the league in.

 

Villar, like Gomez, plays the game a different way than a lot of players in the league and anything different, especially to a bunch of Wisconsinians, is usually not a great mix. It is what it is I guess. Hopefully he'll go on a long hot streak so people can fake the love for a bit at least.

 

You mean those same Wisconsinites that loved players like "T Plush," and who have loudly cheered on players from countries all over the world (including cheering for Villar last season) as long as that player helps the team win?

 

 

There were many, many people who hated Tplush even as he was helping us win games. Tplush was the definition of fake love because he too was a different breed of a ball player. Maybe it's wrong but Cheppelle shouldve done his white guy impersonation of the "right" way to play the game of baseball. Not because of the race part but the uprightness of that character that he portrayed. Would've been a great sketch, well if people can laugh at themselves.

[rickh150]

Villar asked CC why he didn't play Sunday.... get a clue.

 

If THIS is what you're referring to, it sounds as though he just cares and wants to rebound. Good for him.

 

I don't understand why there always has to be one player on this team that everyone has to be so negative about when it comes to just about anything. I am not referring to Rick's comment alone, but in a general sense. Can't people ever hope he improves or get happy when he has a nice game? Nope just complete silence when he does something good and the comments come out of the woodworks when he does something bad.

 

I could understand all the negativity if we was lazy or acted like he didn't care, but jesh Villar goes out there every day 100%.

 

 

No Brewers player in 2017 has been given more leash than Villar. No one even close....

He has more at bats than anybody. He leads off most games, even against lefties in which his stats are even worse. Why he believes he needs to get clarification on why he isn't playing on a certain day ( now, I don't know the whole nature of the entire meeting) is beyond me. He is hitting poorly enough to of course not lead off, but also to get substantially less playing time. CC keeps leading him off many games and plays him almost everyday.

The better question is what more can Sogard possibly do... the man should play daily until he cools down a bit. Sogard should be banging on CC's door.

[Jenkins5]

I like Villar a lot & am really disappointed right now by him. Watching him at the plate try to pull every pitch & making dumb mistakes on bases is frustrating. I hope he snaps out of it. Needs to start maximizing his talent as he did last year.