Reds claim Scooter Gennett on waivers

[pacopete4]

That said it didn't need to be between Villar and Gennett as they could have gone with both and cut Perez, Nieuwenhuis, or Aguilar instead.

 

I think they would have if Scooter could play anything other than second base. That is what this all comes down to. I would love to have kept Scooter over a guy like Perez. Man would I have loved that. But when you can only put Scooter in a second base, you are just too limited.

[Thurston Fluff]

That said it didn't need to be between Villar and Gennett as they could have gone with both and cut Perez, Nieuwenhuis, or Aguilar instead.

 

I think they would have if Scooter could play anything other than second base. That is what this all comes down to. I would love to have kept Scooter over a guy like Perez. Man would I have loved that. But when you can only put Scooter in a second base, you are just too limited.

 

He has played some outfield for the Reds hasn't he? I imagine he could play 1st as well. Which would put him one up on Aguilar. But then the choice is about the same as Villar in that they went with the guy with more control. Perez is simply more valuable as a utility player to take Gennett over him. That leaves Nieuwenhuis. Can't really see where his value was higher than Gennett even in spring. To me the mistake was not in keeping Villar over Gennett but keeping Nieuwenhuis over him. Lesson learned. Never keep a player with more vowels than consonants in his name.

[monty57]

That said it didn't need to be between Villar and Gennett as they could have gone with both and cut Perez, Nieuwenhuis, or Aguilar instead.

 

I think they would have if Scooter could play anything other than second base. That is what this all comes down to. I would love to have kept Scooter over a guy like Perez. Man would I have loved that. But when you can only put Scooter in a second base, you are just too limited.

 

He has played some outfield for the Reds hasn't he? I imagine he could play 1st as well. Which would put him one up on Aguilar. But then the choice is about the same as Villar in that they went with the guy with more control. Perez is simply more valuable as a utility player to take Gennett over him. That leaves Nieuwenhuis. Can't really see where his value was higher than Gennett even in spring. To me the mistake was not in keeping Villar over Gennett but keeping Nieuwenhuis over him. Lesson learned. Never keep a player with more vowels than consonants in his name.

 

Aaron :-)

[Thurston Fluff]

It's a surname thing.

[yfinn6]

It's a surname thing.

 

Henry Aaron

[Baldkin]

It's a surname thing.

 

[Thurston Fluff]

I thought of that later. I was thinking Aaron Rodgers. just goes to show there is no clear cut way to determine who should be kept.

[The stache]

While I'm impressed with Scooter's production this year, let's remember how much home runs are up. While Giancarlo Stanton's likely the only guy that's going to end over 50 (I don't see Judge doing it, nor Khris Davis), this season has seen a pace to break the all-time single season record.

[Bob Skube Snacks]

First, anyone who uses the term "utility man" to describe Scooter Gennett completely loses me on any argument they wish to make.

 

Secondly, if the Brewers had any inkling the first-half 2017 Gennett was who he really is, you must also consider the other move that was made to make Gennett expendable: the acquisition of Travis Shaw. Figuring on Gennett as your 2B perhaps would have forced them to consider Villar as the regular 3B against RHP (with Villar shifting to 2B and Perez to 3B against LHP). Because based on their recent histories to that point, there is just no logical reason for not having Villar starting at a position and Gennett had no value as a utility bench player due to his extreme defensive limitations.

 

Agreed. I've essentially looked at this as a Gennett-for-Shaw trade-off of sorts from the beginning.

 

I have nothing against Scooter. I'm glad he's playing well for the Reds, but his WAR for the Reds just now topped his 2013 WAR with the Brewers despite playing more than 50 additional games this season. Why? He has little range and is below league average.

[Austin Tatious]

The biggest consistency with Scooter is his team's record. He's a classic second division ball player. You will lose a ton of ball games with him in the lineup. Horrible defender, minimal range, ok pop on occasion against right handers. Most importantly, he's a total dumbass. Dumb players kill you. I'm not going to sit here and regret losing Scooter. Jeez. We needed to move on and try to get a first division talent at second for the long term.

[TURBO]

The biggest consistency with Scooter is his team's record. He's a classic second division ball player. You will lose a ton of ball games with him in the lineup. Horrible defender, minimal range, ok pop on occasion against right handers. Most importantly, he's a total dumbass. Dumb players kill you. I'm not going to sit here and regret losing Scooter. Jeez. We needed to move on and try to get a first division talent at second for the long term.

 

Please explain the bolded part of you post above... Seriously, what are you basing this opinion on?

[Austin Tatious]

I saw him play for years. He made a ton of mental errors. He is not a winning baseball player. I'm glad he's gone.

[SomewhereInTime]

Can you give any specific examples?

[MadThinker88]

Villar is an embarrassment in the field at 2nd, SS, 3rd and CF. This year he's an embarrassment hitting. Scooter never embarrassed himself in the field, running the bases or hitting. Big mistake by Brewers picking Villar over Scooter.

 

Scooter had a habit of forgetting to touch 2nd base on double plays. That's pretty embarrassing.

 

I would think this qualifies as a solid example (from earlier in the thread). Thanks Jericho..

[Thurston Fluff]

I don't know how smart or dumb Gennett is but I don't think it's fair to say he is the reason the Reds or Brewers had losing records when he was on the team. Villar isn't exactly a rocket scientist running the bases or fielding and he's on a winning team. I also think Gennett can be part of a winning team. He was let go because he wasn't good enough for a contract beyond his arbitration years and the team wasn't expected to be competitive enough to keep him around before then. So they went with players that might be.

[SomewhereInTime]

Until like a couple of years ago, touching second base really didn't matter during double plays. I'm sure that's the reason the Reds are in last place.

[Austin Tatious]

Can you give any specific examples?

 

More importantly, are you trying to say he was a bright player? Would any informed fan take that position?

[Austin Tatious]

Until like a couple of years ago, touching second base really didn't matter during double plays. I'm sure that's the reason the Reds are in last place.

 

It's a hell of a lot more than touching second base with Gennett. Terrible base runner, not knowing how many outs there were at times, making bad decisions.

[Austin Tatious]

I don't know how smart or dumb Gennett is but I don't think it's fair to say he is the reason the Reds or Brewers had losing records when he was on the team. Villar isn't exactly a rocket scientist running the bases or fielding and he's on a winning team. I also think Gennett can be part of a winning team. He was let go because he wasn't good enough for a contract beyond his arbitration years and the team wasn't expected to be competitive enough to keep him around before then. So they went with players that might be.

 

That kind of proves the point. If he were a first division player, he'd be worth money. You could win despite him, sure, if you were stuck with him but good teams would not seek him out as an answer. Top echelon teams aren't going to trot Scooter out there if they can help it. The Brewers tried to trade him before dumping him. Obviously, there wasn't enough interest or he'd be traded.

[Austin Tatious]

I'm not going to call anybody out on an individual basis, but I challenge all readers of this forum to notice and pay attention to certain trends. Certain pigmented players are dumb and inadequate while guys with less pigment are favorites and not viewed as dumb.

 

Sadly, Villar, Gomez, Broxton, and others are complained about loudly by some folks as dumb players while less pigmented guys get a free pass. Gennett is a dumb ball player, regardless of skin pigment, yet the guys complaining about the Villars defend the Gennetts. If it weren't sad, it would be comical. Going forward, note what you will about certain posters. If I've seen it, I'm sure others have as well. It's still out here in 2017.

[MrTPlush]

I'm not going to call anybody out on an individual basis, but I challenge all readers of this forum to notice and pay attention to certain trends. Certain pigmented players are dumb and inadequate while guys with less pigment are favorites and not viewed as dumb.

 

That subject has no place here. That is going to go nowhere but bad places. Weird you would bring it up after a comment that goes exactly against what you are trying to claim.

[Austin Tatious]

Sure it does. When you see people take ridiculously inconsistent positions, and it's an obvious factor, its fair to be discussed. It's not breaking any forum rules.

[TURBO]

Can you give any specific examples?

 

More importantly, are you trying to say he was a bright player? Would any informed fan take that position?

 

Calling him dumb is ridiculous. I don't know how bright he is, I've never seen his ACT scores, but attacking his intellectual ability just reeks of desperation in defending the fact that you don't like him, and that he was a bad baseball player. I see no reason for anyone to call him a dumb ass, just makes you look like what you are describing.

[TURBO]

I'm not going to call anybody out on an individual basis, but I challenge all readers of this forum to notice and pay attention to certain trends. Certain pigmented players are dumb and inadequate while guys with less pigment are favorites and not viewed as dumb.

 

Sadly, Villar, Gomez, Broxton, and others are complained about loudly by some folks as dumb players while less pigmented guys get a free pass. Gennett is a dumb ball player, regardless of skin pigment, yet the guys complaining about the Villars defend the Gennetts. If it weren't sad, it would be comical. Going forward, note what you will about certain posters. If I've seen it, I'm sure others have as well. It's still out here in 2017.

 

Ahhhhh, the race card... When you play it where it has no business, it has no effectiveness.

 

There is no reason to continue to post on the subject now once it goes that direction.

 

Thanks for playing, but the game is now over...

[TURBO]

I'm not going to call anybody out on an individual basis, but I challenge all readers of this forum to notice and pay attention to certain trends. Certain pigmented players are dumb and inadequate while guys with less pigment are favorites and not viewed as dumb.

 

That subject has no place here. That is going to go nowhere but bad places. Weird you would bring it up after a comment that goes exactly against what you are trying to claim.

 

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