Any one hear that the Rangers looking at Wily

[brewmann04]

I read an article in the rumors section that the Rangers are looking at Willy. Has anyone read anything about this ?

[Austin Tatious]

Here's a link to the article.

 

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/texas-rangers/rangers/2017/03/26/rangers-eyeing-this-controllable-affordable-nl-central-pitcher-where-jonathan-lucroy-contract-talks-stand-1

[brewcrewdue80]

I'm reading that too. I'd find it hard to see a team part with something special. Because Wily could tank in the AL and be non-tender come next season. Maybe you get them to trade away one of their higher recent picks in a draft a 3-4years away type, but that'd be unsatisfying should Peralta produce around 4ERA with 200IP. I'd wonder to a RP like Keone Kela where you help the bullpen. Two buy-lows in a trade.

[sveumrules]

Kind of tough to gauge Wily's value, though he did look pretty solid in his ten starts to close the season after coming back from AAA. Looking at the Rangers prospects I could see someone like Joe Palumbo possibly being of interest.

[monty57]

I'm reading that too. I'd find it hard to see a team part with something special. Because Wily could tank in the AL and be non-tender come next season. Maybe you get them to trade away one of their higher recent picks in a draft a 3-4years away type, but that'd be unsatisfying should Peralta produce around 4ERA with 200IP. I'd wonder to a RP like Keone Kela where you help the bullpen. Two buy-lows in a trade.

 

Peralta is a big question mark, but there is no reason for the Brewers to trade him away unless they get something decent back in return. If we were talking about Garza, then yeah, dump him for salary relief, but Peralta is 27 with team control and has a chance of pitching well. Since they gain no benefit from dumping him, they might as well keep him to see if they can benefit from his upside unless someone offers something you like.

 

A team would probably not give up a good high-minors prospect for Peralta right now, but Stearns is a low-minors nugget miner who spent a lot of time last season studying the Rangers' system. I could see him netting a few teenagers who have a chance of ending up on the Top 100 lists in a year or two.

 

Otherwise, hold onto him until trade deadline. If he continues to pitch like he did in the second half of last season, you will get a whole lot more for him than you'll get right now.

[FVBrewerFan]

Here's how I look at it. You will never get a top pitching prospect at the AA/AAA level for Peralta. Not now, not at the trade deadline, not next off-season. I don't see his value changing drastically if he pitches pretty well this season, but it is possible he reverts to being pretty bad.

 

So I take a good deal for him now if you can. Like Monty said, I could see a few guys with high upside from the rookie leagues, DSL, etc. Or, maybe a really good pitching prospect at the A level with a "lottery" guy thrown in.

 

Stearns has shown at times he will hold out for a higher return (Lucroy, Braun.) But I don't think you can do that in every situation, since there's always the injury risk and performance risk. I'm guessing he would deal Peralta or Nelson for a "good enough" deal where it still makes sense doing, and Guerra is a guy he thinks is worth the risk of waiting.

[JohnBriggs12]

There's every reason to think Peralta is on the verge of regaining his 2014 form based on his finish to 2016 and his strong spring. Not surprised he's getting looks. Had the chance to see the game against KC on Saturday with my out of market Directv service. There must have been a half dozen guys behind home plate with radar guns trained on him and more scouts observing.

 

It would be a major mistake to think the Brewers can get more value of Garza and unload Peralta who could actually increase his with a strong first half.

[FVBrewerFan]

It would be a major mistake to think the Brewers can get more value of Garza and unload Peralta who could actually increase his with a strong first half.

 

I don't think anyone believes Garza has more value than Peralta. And I don't think it has to be either/or. Wouldn't bother me a bit if they traded Peralta today if they got a good return, and cut Garza. I would be 100% fine with that.

[crickets]

Wily's got 2 pitches for a starter that has a hard time getting out lefties. Unless he's got that 3rd pitch working this year, right now or can get lefties out, I'd be fine with a solid High A Pitcher and lotto ticket. Someone like Brett Martin and a lotto or a Pedro Payano and Joe Palumbo deal would be nice in my mind.

[wildcat2237]

Would a straight up deal for Ronald Guzman be too much to ask for?

[And That]

Pedro Payano and Joe Palumbo deal would be nice in my mind.

I like this idea, though not sure Peralta would be quite enough. Guess they'd have to send a Michael Reed/Kyle Wren type prospect along with Peralta.

[And That]

Would a straight up deal for Ronald Guzman be too much to ask for?

That's probably about fair value. Though, I would rather focus on Martin or Palumbo as the Brewers' LHP depth is lacking much more so than 1B, which is an easier position to fill going forward.

[brewcrewdue80]

My thing on this is the minors depth is growing. Peralta wouldnt get someone who fits top 10 among them. But another 11-30s type. Which now competes with others for rule 5 protection in a year or 3. And this type of prospect fits in a group of likely never starting for a season for Milw. So if Im trading Peralta Im looking for a ML piece. Doesnt have to have the 6years of team control. The Relief Pitchers could use a better body. Id take a RP for Peralta over a long shot prospect to this point. Helping the immediate team.

 

Yeah yeah I understand you like talent. Acquire a talent. But theres a point where all this talent gets roadblocked. Guys like Miguel Diaz get drafted Rule 5 and you lose such talent.

[wildcat2237]

Would a straight up deal for Ronald Guzman be too much to ask for?

That's probably about fair value. Though, I would rather focus on Martin or Palumbo as the Brewers' LHP depth is lacking much more so than 1B, which is an easier position to fill going forward.

 

Thanks for the reply "And That."

 

I guess a lot of this comes down to whether or not you believe in Thames, Aguilar, and Garrett Cooper.

 

I'm not sold on any of them and would like to pick up a nice AAA 1B to go to Colorado Springs. Guzman fits that bill.

[brewmann04]

Maybe a top prospect at the lower levels?

[dacbrewers]

I wouldn't trade anything for relief pitchers...with all the young prospect starters that the Brewers have, some of those guys are going to get moved to relief. I definitely see others teams grabbing more rule 5 players from the Brewers over the next 3 years.

[monty57]

My thing on this is the minors depth is growing. Peralta wouldnt get someone who fits top 10 among them. But another 11-30s type. Which now competes with others for rule 5 protection in a year or 3. And this type of prospect fits in a group of likely never starting for a season for Milw. So if Im trading Peralta Im looking for a ML piece. Doesnt have to have the 6years of team control. The Relief Pitchers could use a better body. Id take a RP for Peralta over a long shot prospect to this point. Helping the immediate team.

 

Yeah yeah I understand you like talent. Acquire a talent. But theres a point where all this talent gets roadblocked. Guys like Miguel Diaz get drafted Rule 5 and you lose such talent.

 

When we get in a position where we have so many talented prospects that we are going to start losing MLB-quality prospects to things like Rule 5 is when I will have less of a problem with the team trading some prospects for MLB help. If the stars align, that will be about the time we're realistically looking at being a strong competitor at the MLB level.

 

A MLB relief pitcher right now has far less value than simply holding onto Peralta and hoping he's finally "found it" and can become a top of the rotation starter. Heck, if he hasn't "found it," then he could just be moved to the bullpen if we're in need of relief help.

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea, I wouldn't want to trade Peralta (or anyone) for a relief pitcher. In fact, it would be very hard for me to take back anything other than starting pitching right now. Guzman was mentioned, that doesn't really even interest me since one of the many OFs we have from MLB down to AA can be a 1B.

 

Rotation is where it's at, and I rather have a couple really good low minors starting pitchers than a relief pitcher, 1B, or anything else at the MLB/AAA level.

[And That]

Brad Krause spies a Ranger scout watching a Brewers minor league game.

[FVBrewerFan]

Brad Krause spies a Ranger scout watching a Brewers minor league game.

 

That's pretty much what generated this thread. Rangers scout was the game, so word got out everywhere that they're interested in Peralta.

[And That]

This was a separate Rangers scout incident. Probably nothing, but intriguing.

[brewmann04]

Maybe they are something to all this we just have to see what happens

[pogokat]

Maybe they were watching Jimmy Jam Nelson Pitch that AAA game today.

[adambr2]

Here's where I'm at with trading Wily. If the Rangers are after him, it's likely that they think he's coming pretty cheap. If we were to trade him for a reliever, I'd want a young power arm that could be a late inning fixture in our pen for years. Especially with the cost of relievers these days, he isn't bringing back that. He's not bringing a top 100 either, and trading him for another 11-20 organizational prospect isn't worth it.

 

I liked what I saw from him the 2nd half of last season. If he can build on that, when he's on, his stuff is as good as anyone else currently in our rotation. I'd rather see where he can go with that. He's got 3 years left of control. If he put together a big season and we look closer to contention, he could still be a part of that. If not, he could be worth a lot more this time next year.

 

Sure, he could tank and be a non-tender candidate next year. But if he does, its not like we're going to miss out on a top prospect by waiting and seeing with him now.

[jerichoholicninja]

I posted in the Guerra thread that the Rangers might make sense for Junior around the deadline due to their lackluster/injury ward rotation.