Red Sox?

[MilwaukeesBest]

Reports are leaning towards David Price having a potentially significant injury to his pitching elbow. If the Red Sox were to contact Milwaukee regarding a Guerra deal what could a potential return look like? I think Boston may really benefit from a guy like Hernan Perez too. Curious as to what others think as a package for Guerra individually and with Perez added too. Their system seems top heavy, wonder what it'd take to pry in interesting piece away.

[mlloyd10]

No reason to trade Perez - He is 25 yrs old and under TC for 4 more years..........Guerra is prime candidate.

[adambr2]

There's no reason not to trade Perez even at 25 if the offer is fair, especially if you think his 2016 season was an aberration and want to sell high on it.

 

I'm leery however of the Red Sox system as the hype always tends to be a bit over inflated for Boston and New York teams.

 

You're certainly not going to land Benintendi for that but I think for the control that Guerra and Perez offer I'd be going in asking for Devers and probably not get that, but settle for a minimum of a 3 piece offer or so centerpieced on Groome + a couple lotto tickets.

[And That]

I don't think you're getting Groome for Guerra, either, as part of a package deal or even just straight up. At least not at this point. If Guerra is healthy and has a 3.00 ERA in mid-July, could revisit that point.

 

If I had to guess, right now Guerra might be worth somewhere in the Sam Travis-Mike Shawaryn-Jhonathan Diaz package range.

[adambr2]

I don't think you're getting Groome for Guerra, either, as part of a package deal or even just straight up. At least not at this point. If Guerra is healthy and has a 3.00 ERA in mid-July, could revisit that point.

 

If I had to guess, right now Guerra might be worth somewhere in the Sam Travis-Mike Shawaryn-Jhonathan Diaz package range.

 

Probably not, but they can take a hike then. Guerra and Perez have a combined 10 years control remaining and cost essentially nothing, and Perez is very young.

 

I can understand why the Red Sox would be reluctant to pay that much, but we have no motivation to just sell guys like Guerra and Perez for more top 11-20 prospect depth.

[And That]

Agreed - they should be getting at least commensurate value back. Which is the problem with trading Guerra. There may or may not be a lot of value there, but teams are going to be incredibly hesitant to pay a premium for a 32 year old pitcher with an extremely limited track record and an out pitch that can do significant arm damage.

 

If the Red Sox were offering Groome right now, the Brewers should probably do the deal as quickly as possible before the Red Sox realize what they are doing.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

I don't think you're getting Groome for Guerra, either, as part of a package deal or even just straight up. At least not at this point. If Guerra is healthy and has a 3.00 ERA in mid-July, could revisit that point.

 

If I had to guess, right now Guerra might be worth somewhere in the Sam Travis-Mike Shawaryn-Jhonathan Diaz package range.

There was talk about Stearns offering Nelson for Anderson Espinoza when the Red Sox made the Drew Pomeranz trade. Maybe talks can resurface now. I agree that there is no chance in H E double hockey sticks Guerra nets us Groome or Devers, but maybe a somewhat young, controllable starter nets us a better than average package.

[adambr2]

I don't think you're getting Groome for Guerra, either, as part of a package deal or even just straight up. At least not at this point. If Guerra is healthy and has a 3.00 ERA in mid-July, could revisit that point.

 

If I had to guess, right now Guerra might be worth somewhere in the Sam Travis-Mike Shawaryn-Jhonathan Diaz package range.

There was talk about Stearns offering Nelson for Anderson Espinoza when the Red Sox made the Drew Pomeranz trade. Maybe talks can resurface now. I agree that there is no chance in H E double hockey sticks Guerra nets us Groome or Devers, but maybe a somewhat young, controllable starter nets us a better than average package.

 

Boy is Stearns kicking himself now if Nelson for Espinoza was an option and he didn't do it.

 

Don't know who else besides Guerra you're going to dangle out there and get a better than average package. Anderson, Nelson, Peralta and Garza are worth little.

 

Maybe Davies, but with his control you're probably going to need more than the offers are going to be to make it work moving him.

[pacopete4]

I still want Swihart. Allow him to roam the corner OF's and backup our catcher.

[JohnBriggs12]

There's no reason not to trade Perez even at 25 if the offer is fair, especially if you think his 2016 season was an aberration and want to sell high on it.

 

I'm leery however of the Red Sox system as the hype always tends to be a bit over inflated for Boston and New York teams.

 

You're certainly not going to land Benintendi for that but I think for the control that Guerra and Perez offer I'd be going in asking for Devers and probably not get that, but settle for a minimum of a 3 piece offer or so centerpieced on Groome + a couple lotto tickets.

 

I don't think the Brewers believe Perez' season was an aberration after he went on to lead the VWL in hitting. Teams not as familiar with him aren't likely to value him higher so why not just keep him?

[JohnBriggs12]

My guess is the Red Sox double down and go after Quintana using Swihart as key piece. White Sox drafted Zach Collins as their catcher of the future but he has position flexibility and they could really use a young catcher the next 2 or 3 years.

[adambr2]

If the Red Sox want Quintana, I think they're going to walk away empty handed if their best offer has Swihart as the key piece.

[brewcrewdue80]

Red Sox are smarter than to deal with Milwaukee in a David Price replacement idea. Our guys are a joke in the mainstream. Maybe we offer Braun to take Price and be done with it. Thats as close to making any trade with an effect on Price's current situation affecting Boston.

 

What does Boston need Hernan Perez for? Because if they needed him, a move would have been made. So an injury to Price, means now they fix this need for Perez and get a non-factor pitcher? Because Davies or Guerra are 0s to the Boston market when finding a SP to replace Cy Young winning Price. That would get you laughed at for such a joke as these warm bodies.

[adambr2]

Red Sox are smarter than to deal with Milwaukee in a David Price replacement idea. Our guys are a joke in the mainstream. Maybe we offer Braun to take Price and be done with it. Thats as close to making any trade with an effect on Price's current situation affecting Boston.

 

What does Boston need Hernan Perez for? Because if they needed him, a move would have been made. So an injury to Price, means now they fix this need for Perez and get a non-factor pitcher? Because Davies or Guerra are 0s to the Boston market when finding a SP to replace Cy Young winning Price. That would get you laughed at for such a joke as these warm bodies.

 

It's not about trying to replace Price, they're not going to replace Price. Just because the pitcher they look to acquire to take his spot isn't going to be the equivalent of David Price doesn't mean they're just going to laugh at any offers that aren't as good as Price.

 

And Boston's need for a utility guy like Perez has been discussed in other threads and Boston's own papers (yes, they mentioned Perez specifically).

 

Guerra and Perez for Groome or Swihart might not get it done but it would be taken a lot more seriously than Braun for Price.

[jerichoholicninja]

Dembrowski will give up more prospects for a SP. I don't think Milwaukee will be the recipient though.

[JosephC]

I don't think the Red Sox should do anything:

-Rick Porcello

-Chris Sale

-Steven Wright

-Drew Pomeranz

-Eduardo Rodriguez

 

If Wright and Pomeranz are OK (both are throwing without pain), then they are fine in the rotation. Granted, they are thin and another injury would cause some problems, but I'd hold my cards until an injury happened. If anything, I would have been uncomfortable not having Rodriguez in the rotation and a Price injury allows me to put him in the #5 spot. The Red Sox have enough in their minor league system to get something done later if need be. No reason for them to panic.

[brewcrewdue80]

Look all I'm saying is that if Boston makes a move for a SP, Davies or Guerra would be option AA and BB after the first run of the alphabet didn't pan out in trade.

 

This would be the equivalent of Braun getting injured and the Brewers traded for Mallex Smith of Atl for Corey Ray if you want to suggest Jason Groome in trade notions.

 

I mean if I'm going to commit to giving up such a highly thought of prospect, why am I digging at scraps from other teams who happened to fall in to a 1st year wonder on a rebuild team?

 

Boston is a team that can and will spend money. Take one of our own Spring Training invites. Tommy Milone. There have got to be over a dozen of these types who won't make a team. And Boston can just pick up with a little cash. They can pitch their own guys down the depth chart and come to a conclusion what they need done. But giving up anything of value to "fix/solve" this Price situation with acquiring Guerra or Davies? Is just laughable. Thinking adding Perez to a deal who was waiver wire material in 2015 doesn't do justice to add this valuable piece. At this point we're not dipping in anything in their top 15 and maybe snagging something in their 20-30 prospect ranks.

 

Sorry, I'm just not on the Perez gravy train like most here like to toot his horn. And Guerra is not a chip I'd want to gamble with on a well established franchise. Two Waiver pickups are not worthy of 1st rd selections. You've already made the mistake once on not claiming them yourselves. What if they turn out to be just sorta kinda 1 year wonders? That you now made the 2nd mistake trading for?

[brewmann04]

Guerra stock will never be higher if we get an legit offer do it

[brewcrewdue80]

Guerra stock will never be higher if we get an legit offer do it

 

Absolutely, disagree with that assessment. Guerra right now shouldn't be worth anything higher than a C grade prospect. He performs to the deadline like his 2016 season then you can back up a B-grade as well as a C grade return in expectations. His history doesn't back-up his 2016 season. His Fip was at 3.70.

 

20 starts doesn't make him a stud to acquire when he's 32 and no history to suggest this kind of stats.

But if he's 20 starts in to 2017 with stats that comp with the "History" of 2016, you have something to trade with confidence for. And about 20 starts is where we'll be come Trade Deadline. That is when he'll potentially be at his highest value. I'd even think it could get a little higher by the 2018 off-season if he made the full 2017 season rather productive.

[JosephC]

Boston probably won't be making any big salary acquisitions. They worked to get under the luxury tax threshold and trading Clay Buchholz was the last move to achieve that.

 

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/12/07/massarotti-dombrowski-now-tasked-with-shedding-salary-to-get-red-sox-under-luxury-tax/

 

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2016/12/clay_buchholz_trade_helps_red.html

 

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/12/20/massarotti-trading-clay-buchholz-doesnt-help-red-sox-in-2017/

 

I very much doubt the ownership/front office decides to reverse course now when they are in position to reset the luxury tax clock to zero. They probably would be much more interested in Guerra rather than more established and more expensive starter. I still think they are fine with what they have, should just go with what they have and save trade chips to trade for pitching later if need be.

[Warning Track Power]

I still want Swihart. Allow him to roam the corner OF's and backup our catcher.

If the Red Sox offered Swihart for Guerra, I would be tempted to do that. A Swihart-Susac catching rotation sounds good to me.

[sveumrules]

The only pitcher I'd trade for Swihart is Garza. Blake is NOT a catcher & his bat doesn't play at 1B or corner outfield. -10 DRS in only 740 MLB innings behind the dish & now he might have the yips on top of it? For comparison JT Realmuto had the worst DRS of all catchers in 2016 at -8 but that was in 1,113 innings. Swihart's pace would put him at -15 over the same number of innings.

[JosephC]

Hanley Ramirez and Pedro Sandoval are the 3B/DH combo for the Red Sox but there has been some criticism from the Boston sportswriters that Swihart should have been tried at 3B following the Shaw trade instead of putting him behind the plate. Based on what I've read about his batting ceiling and his defense, 3B does seem like it might be the best fit for him.

[pacopete4]

Swihart wasn't even a catcher in high school. He's just that athletic that they made the move there because they thought his bat would play. His catching ability is very raw but on a team like the Brewers they would have a longer leash for him than on the Sox trying to win a pennant.