Sonny Gray

[brewcrewdue80]

We aren't making the playoffs in 2017/2018 and Gray's a FA after 2019 so what's the rationale for trading away a package of prospects to acquire this pitcher?

 

Gray has barely over 1 year of service. At the moment he's not to be a free agent until after 2022. I'm going to guess based on his time he would need just 45days roughly to gain a year of control but become a Super 2.

According to BR.com he has just over 3 years of service time (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grayso01.shtml) and according to Spotrac he is arbitration eligible through 2019 before becoming a FA (http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/oakland-athletics/sonny-gray-14331/). Perhaps you were confusing him with Jon Gray? (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grayjo02.shtml)

 

Yes that is who I said to which the reply. Jonathon Gray or I guess should put Jon. As my example using a crystal ball how to get the #3 that can pitch low end #1 possibility next year. Predicting Colorado could use 1 of our premium OF prospects in the deal. Vs. the idea of a FA sign after the next season. Reread the original posting.

[brewerfan82]

Gray has barely over 1 year of service. At the moment he's not to be a free agent until after 2022. I'm going to guess based on his time he would need just 45days roughly to gain a year of control but become a Super 2.

According to BR.com he has just over 3 years of service time (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grayso01.shtml) and according to Spotrac he is arbitration eligible through 2019 before becoming a FA (http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/oakland-athletics/sonny-gray-14331/). Perhaps you were confusing him with Jon Gray? (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grayjo02.shtml)

 

Yes that is who I said to which the reply. Jonathon Gray or I guess should put Jon. As my example using a crystal ball how to get the #3 that can pitch low end #1 possibility next year. Predicting Colorado could use 1 of our premium OF prospects in the deal. Vs. the idea of a FA sign after the next season. Reread the original posting.

Ah, didn't see your reference to Jon Gray earlier. That said, I think MKE81's comment was in response to A Swing and A Drive's earlier comment that "Sonny Gray has a higher talent ceiling than ANY pitcher currently in the Brewers system".

[MKE81]

 

Yes that is who I said to which the reply. Jonathon Gray or I guess should put Jon. As my example using a crystal ball how to get the #3 that can pitch low end #1 possibility next year. Predicting Colorado could use 1 of our premium OF prospects in the deal. Vs. the idea of a FA sign after the next season. Reread the original posting.

Ah, didn't see your reference to Jon Gray earlier. That said, I think MKE81's comment was in response to A Swing and A Drive's earlier comment that "Sonny Gray has a higher talent ceiling than ANY pitcher currently in the Brewers system".

THIS!! It was in reference to the Sonny quote. I didn't even see your Jon Gray post before I submitted my post but I agree with your Jon Gray example given I said the same thing. I just wouldn't trade prospects for him I'd trade Villar and acquire someone better than Jon Gray given we'll have Dubon and Diaz, which can make Villar a great trade piece for a TOR controllable young arm. I'd prefer to trade away our established MLB young players to acquire a Jon Gray or better as if you can keep the pipeline stocked then you have internal backfills every step of the way, which in turn, keeps payroll low allowing for flexibility if need to drop money on 1-2 key players in FA

[adambr2]

Gray just doesn't really have enough control remaining to get me excited about giving up anything of value for him. 3 years of control, and despite the hopes and unknowns on this team, 2 are very likely to be rebuilding years.

[brewcrewdue80]

THIS!! It was in reference to the Sonny quote. I didn't even see your Jon Gray post before I submitted my post but I agree with your Jon Gray example given I said the same thing. I just wouldn't trade prospects for him I'd trade Villar and acquire someone better than Jon Gray given we'll have Dubon and Diaz, which can make Villar a great trade piece for a TOR controllable young arm. I'd prefer to trade away our established MLB young players to acquire a Jon Gray or better as if you can keep the pipeline stocked then you have internal backfills every step of the way, which in turn, keeps payroll low allowing for flexibility if need to drop money on 1-2 key players in FA

 

I don't agree with moving Villar and keeping the minors stocked. But that is based on his 2016 which for many Middle infielders a ceiling projection. Any near repeat in 2017 and I find it hard to part with that. 4WAR with potential to better on the defensive side is hard to replicate. You move him and get a 2WAR type behind him always waiting for that 4WAR ceiling. Now you're chasing Villar's former production and in most likelihood, could have gotten the Jon Gray type by throwing in added C grade prospects with the really good B grade prospect.

I've said for awhile that Arcia can become this team's Derek Jeter for a dozen or so years. But maybe that individual winds up being Villar.