Peralta/Torres sign 1-year deals

[Greenleaf1]

Peralta gets $4.275M, no word yet on what Torres gets.

 

Chase Anderson is now the only unsigned arbitration-eligible Brewer for 2017.

[Bombers]

Peralta projection from MLBTR was spot on from October projection

 

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[CheezWizHed]

Self fulfilling prophecy? Agents and the Brewers read those articles too, I would imagine.

[monty57]

Now we just have to hope we get "2nd half Peralta" for a full season.

[3and2Fastball]

Now we just have to hope we get "2nd half Peralta" for a full season.

 

I'm just hoping we get a great Peralta for half a season and then trade him.

[monty57]

Now we just have to hope we get "2nd half Peralta" for a full season.

 

I'm just hoping we get a great Peralta for half a season and then trade him.

 

That works too.

[remfire]

Mark me down in the "He's more valuable to us as a starter" camp, but did we just sign our closer? With 8 pitchers (Guerra, Davies, Garza, Anderson, Jungmann, Peralta, Nelson, and Milone) vying for 5 starting spots, I could see how Peralta as the closer/bullpen arm works.

 

If he struggles early like last year, a move to the bullpen is a possibily. He fits "the mold" so to speak. Hard thrower, failed starter, to this point. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it.

[Outlander]

I don't think so, at least not yet. A number of those guys have options and Milone isn't guaranteed anything. Injuries always happen and of course the possibility of a trade is always there.

[MadThinker88]

When I saw the money for Peralta, my eyeballs popped.

 

Wily is getting almost $4.3 MM while 2 other starters Trevor Bauer ($3.55 MM) & Danny Salazar ($3.4 MM) are arguably better and getting less.

[sveumrules]

Peralta is on his second year of Arby's. Bauer & Salazar are first timers.

[adambr2]

Yeah when comparing arby payers it really only works if the service time is comparable. There are also rules about how much their salary can be reduced in arbitration, so arbitration salaries very rarely decline from one year to the next regardless of performance.

 

Dave Bush incredibly got $4.2M+ in arbitration from us after a 6.38 ERA season, which makes you wonder why he was tendered in the first place.

[adambr2]

Just because I haven't seen it mentioned yet, Torres got $2.175M.

 

For whatever reason, I could have sworn that Nelson was arby eligible this year, but not til 2018, apparently.

 

Anderson filed at $2.85M and the Brewers offered $2.45M.

[pete]

Maybe Bauer's season long average results were better than Peralta's, but man that guy can be painful to watch. If he were a Brewer, I'd probably end up yelling "throw strikes" at the tv. The SO would say "maybe you shouldn't watch if you get so upset." Then I point at her and tell her to get the clubhouse on the phone.

[MadThinker88]

Maybe Bauer's season long average results were better than Peralta's, but man that guy can be painful to watch. If he were a Brewer, I'd probably end up yelling "throw strikes" at the tv. The SO would say "maybe you shouldn't watch if you get so upset." Then I point at her and tell her to get the clubhouse on the phone.

 

And that would make you different from anyone else watching Bauer pitch how??

 

As for 'Free Wily' Peralta I spent enough watching him to throw my hands up in air and swear off watching while he is on the mound.

[jerichoholicninja]

Which is why I don't understand the urge to put Wily in the bullpen. If he can't throw strikes as a starter putting him in situations where he's going to try and throw harder certainly isn't going to help.

[CheezWizHed]

I think the thought is that if you limit him down to his best two pitches, he will be vastly better than feeling the "need" to add two poor quality pitches.

 

edit- Of course, after posting that, I went to Fangraphs and found that he threw his FB or slider over 93% of the time last season. My bad for reading/believing beat writers...

[brewers4eric]

The last three times I've travelled to Miller Park have all been Wily Peralta starts. Bear in mind that the trip involves a 3.5 hour drive each way. The results have been the same each time and it seems like the game is scripted: Peralta can't locate his slider in the early innings and his fastball gets hammered. The Brewers fall behind by five or six runs, mount a late rally but fall short due to defensive lapse or a base running mistake, typically a contact play with a runner on third. At least I get to see a parade of relievers in person.

 

I'm always limited on the dates that I can make a trip to Milwaukee. I didn't see any games at Miller Park in 2016. I had a couple of opportunities, but they were both Peralta days. I'm not a masochist, although I have been a Brewer fan since 1978.

 

I don't really want to see Peralta pitch out of the rotation or the bullpen. But, if he is a starter, I can at least watch the pitching matchups and plan my trips accordingly. The kids are already asking when we'll go to a game.

 

Go Brewers

[MKE81]

Which is why I don't understand the urge to put Wily in the bullpen. If he can't throw strikes as a starter putting him in situations where he's going to try and throw harder certainly isn't going to help.

I hear what you're saying but there's also a difference knowing you need to go 6-7 innings vs throwing 15 pitches and calling it a night. He might be more clear-minded and relaxed in that type of role. He certainly abuses his fastball and slider during starts so why not do it in the pen. I'm not advocating him for one spot or the other as I think he's gone regardless soon enough so I don't really care. But to start the year I'd keep him in the rotation. If he scuffles I'd move him to the pen and try to build his value that way

[jerichoholicninja]

Which is why I don't understand the urge to put Wily in the bullpen. If he can't throw strikes as a starter putting him in situations where he's going to try and throw harder certainly isn't going to help.

I hear what you're saying but there's also a difference knowing you need to go 6-7 innings vs throwing 15 pitches and calling it a night. He might be more clear-minded and relaxed in that type of role. He certainly abuses his fastball and slider during starts so why not do it in the pen. I'm not advocating him for one spot or the other as I think he's gone regardless soon enough so I don't really care. But to start the year I'd keep him in the rotation. If he scuffles I'd move him to the pen and try to build his value that way

 

I don't know the numbers but are either his fastball or slider really that good? His fastball velocity is pretty good but not great and has movement. His slider can be good at times but if you're offering is an above average fastball and an inconsistent breaking ball then you're describing probably half of the relievers in AAA. I don't think his issue is his role it's he's just not consistent nor does he have stuff capable of overcoming his inconsistencies.

[CheezWizHed]

After my previous post, I went to see what Peralta's numbers really look like at Fangraphs and was pretty surprised to see that even in his good year (yes, pretty much just one), his peripheral numbers stink.

 

He has a high BB rate (3.0+ each year, which was known) with a low-ish K rate (6-7k/9IP, which is surprising). He has two FBs, but both are above average velocity (94.5-98MPH) and both seem to get hit pretty hard too.

 

I thought, well, maybe his first inning pitched was good, thus he would make a good reliever. Nope. That was probably his worst inning.

 

Comparing his two seam and regular FBs, he has fewer walks on his two seam (6.6%) than his normal FB (11.6%).

 

So, I have a low expectation that he is going to reclaim his prior magic and be a sub 4 ERA pitcher. Moving him to the pen probably ups his FB to the high 90s, which might help. That is probably the only real chance for him to reclaim any value.

 

Seems odd to say, but no matter where he pitches, he should probably lose the regular FB. It is his worst controlled pitch. His two seamer is plenty fast (still 94.5+ last year) and could increase if he is in the pen.

[bork]

Anderson lost his arby case and will make $2.45 million.

[dacbrewers]

Surprised the arbitrator didn't split it down the middle.

[adambr2]

Surprised the arbitrator didn't split it down the middle.

 

Can't do that. Gotta pick one or the other.

[brewmann04]

Peralta and Nelson are Hugh question marks have the tools but can't put it all together