Perez for Swihart and Henry Owens

[vannzee]

A few days ago MLB.com had an article of ten moves that they could see happening before the new year. I cant seem to find the link right now but one move was Hernan Perez to Boston for Blake Swihart and Henry Owens.

 

As much as I like Perez, and he has significant value with his versatility, I think we may have seen a career year. I would do this trade every day. Swihart was once a top 50 prospect and could start at catcher over Pina or at one of the corner outfield spots. He is still just 24 and had as many walks as K's at AAA before an ankle injury.

 

Owens is 24 and 6'6. Hes struggled in the bigs but had 137 K's in 135 AAA innings last year. He could be a good depth rotation piece with upside.

 

These are the types of players which should be acquired during a rebuild.

[adambr2]

Can't imagine the Red Sox would be foolish enough to do this move, but if they were yeah I'd be all over it.

[pacopete4]

If that was the offer, then Stearns better jump all over it. Hell, we'll throw in Garza too if they want him.

[3and2Fastball]

That sounds like the type of deal my cousin dreams up. At Christmas he was advocating that we trade Braun & Guerra for Mike Trout

[adambr2]

That sounds like the type of deal my cousin dreams up. At Christmas he was advocating that we trade Braun & Guerra for Mike Trout

 

The Angels are going to need to throw in Matt Thaiss to get that done.

[BlazingGunz]

I found the article for reference...some interesting and crazy ideas in there:

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/212106536/8-potential-trades-during-mlb-hot-stove-season/

[JohnBriggs12]

All you guys are undervaluing Perez. Perez was in the big leagues with Detroit at 21 so there's always been tremendous upside for him. He's just now tapping into his potential. His controllability adds to his value.

 

That's not an outrageous return for him at all assuming the Brewers will sweeten the deal with say Pina, and a lower level arm.

 

I just read that if Boston has a weakness, it's depth and with Perez able to play anywhere, he'd go a long way to solving that issue.

 

If you threw in Garza, it would lessen the return so no.

[StearnsFTW]

Dombrowski is an odd dude, so who knows? Obviously jump on it immediately if offered.

 

Edit: Josh Harrison for Puig, DeLeon & Verdugo....

[mlloyd10]

Dombrowski is an odd dude, so who knows? Obviously jump on it immediately if offered.

 

Edit: Josh Harrison for Puig, DeLeon & Verdugo....

 

It was McCutchen and Harrison

[MKE81]

All you guys are undervaluing Perez. Perez was in the big leagues with Detroit at 21 so there's always been tremendous upside for him. He's just now tapping into his potential. His controllability adds to his value.

 

That's not an outrageous return for him at all assuming the Brewers will sweeten the deal with say Pina, and a lower level arm.

 

I just read that if Boston has a weakness, it's depth and with Perez able to play anywhere, he'd go a long way to solving that issue.

 

If you threw in Garza, it would lessen the return so no.

Briggs, but it is an outrageous deal. The proposed trade wasn't Perez + 1-2 it was strictly Perez. Nobody is undervaluing Perez as his skill set and control-ability can be huge assets on playoff caliber teams. However, trading away a potential above average starting catcher who's a switch hitter and a lefty arm that will contribute in some capacity (both ex-Top 50 with 5yrs control) shouldn't be had for 4yrs of a super utility.

 

Brewers won't compete for a playoff spot until 2019 most likely but can make some noise in 2018. Perez will be traded by then. Arcia, Villar, Diaz, Dubon all have higher ceilings. While Perez is more versatile than them all when you factor in the OF depth in the system it makes that versatility irrelevant. If the Brewers are offered anything remotely close to that nonsensical trade they have to jump on it even though it sets back our IF depth for the next 1-2yrs (we'll be fine for OF depth in the meantime).

[pacopete4]

Swihart to the Crew would be an amazing hookup for me so I'll root bigtime for this one. Brother coached him through high school. Really nice guy.

[StearnsFTW]

Dombrowski is an odd dude, so who knows? Obviously jump on it immediately if offered.

 

Edit: Josh Harrison for Puig, DeLeon & Verdugo....

 

It was McCutchen and Harrison

 

I missed that. Still incredibly awful.

[adambr2]

Not that you can take much from Venezuelan Winter Ball, but Perez tore it up. Batting title and gold glove. I guess if I had to find a negative of a .373/.393/.502 slash line, it's that he still isn't taking walks.

 

If he can ever improve his plate discipline he has a chance to be a very valuable player.

[jerichoholicninja]

Not that you can take much from Venezuelan Winter Ball, but Perez tore it up. Batting title and gold glove. I guess if I had to find a negative of a .373/.393/.502 slash line, it's that he still isn't taking walks.

 

If he can ever improve his plate discipline he has a chance to be a very valuable player.

 

I was pretty high on Hector Gomez after he tore up winter ball. It might mean something, but probably not.

[stoutdude04]

Not that you can take much from Venezuelan Winter Ball, but Perez tore it up. Batting title and gold glove. I guess if I had to find a negative of a .373/.393/.502 slash line, it's that he still isn't taking walks.

 

If he can ever improve his plate discipline he has a chance to be a very valuable player.

 

I was pretty high on Hector Gomez after he tore up winter ball. It might mean something, but probably not.

 

True, but Hernan had respectable numbers in MLB too. I dont recall Hector ever doing that.

[sheetskout]

I like Owens and Swihart but in reality it would take Guerra and probably Braun to make this happen.

[JohnBriggs12]

Not that you can take much from Venezuelan Winter Ball, but Perez tore it up. Batting title and gold glove. I guess if I had to find a negative of a .373/.393/.502 slash line, it's that he still isn't taking walks.

 

If he can ever improve his plate discipline he has a chance to be a very valuable player.

 

I was pretty high on Hector Gomez after he tore up winter ball. It might mean something, but probably not.

 

True, but Hernan had respectable numbers in MLB too. I dont recall Hector ever doing that.

 

Perez hit well last year in winter ball too. He's a very talented player entering his prime. It shouldn't surprise anyone. We get all excited when a 23 year old puts up good numbers in AA, but somehow when a 25 year old like Perez puts up solid offensive numbers in the big leagues, because he wasn't on a top prospect list 3 years ago, his accomplishments are diminished. Counsell needs to find 550 or so plate appearances for him. He, along with Villar, Santana, Broxton, Arcia and Shaw are a solid group of core controllable youngish players that are poised for breakout seasons. You just never know.

[NievesNoNO]

Perez hit well last year in winter ball too. He's a very talented player entering his prime. It shouldn't surprise anyone. We get all excited when a 23 year old puts up good numbers in AA, but somehow when a 25 year old like Perez puts up solid offensive numbers in the big leagues, because he wasn't on a top prospect list 3 years ago, his accomplishments are diminished.

 

I would tend to agree on this. Did he max out his ability this last season? Maybe, but maybe not. Many people considered Altuve a nice stopgap 2B or potential utility player a few years back and he's progressed into one of the most dynamic 2B in the league. At this point, Perez has proven more than both Owens and Swihart. Frankly, Owens hasn't impressed at any level that I can see. Looks like a extreme fly ball guy with no fastball and without control. I'm sure that can change but to this point that's what he is.

 

I don' think the initial proposal is too far off. IF the Sox thought they needed a supersub type and valued that flexibility and depth it might provide them this season, then they are in a position to deal from some of their catching depth. Personally, when I look at their roster I don't see the need but they are one of the few teams that has what could be considered some depth at catcher without a clear-cut favorite to win that job. It's not always about straight value in a trade for both sides. It might seem foolish for a team to give up 12 controllable years (or whatever is remaining for Swihart and Owens) for a few of another player but when you're trying to win and have a perceived need then I think those hard calculations/values maybe and should soften a bit. For a rebuilding team like the Brewers those value/potential > X value, type deals are absolutely necessary.

 

That's a lot of rambling but, yes I could see that deal being made and it being solid from both sides.

[3and2Fastball]

If Perez was strictly a 2B/SS, his 91 OPS+ could be more forgiveable. His baserunning skills are somewhat negated by his .302 OBP, and while I do think there is plenty to like about him 18 walks in 430 Plate Appearances is just plain not good. I don't know why opponents ever throw him a strike, honestly.

[adambr2]

My thoughts on Perez exactly. I like him a lot, but I value OBP a lot, too. Perez is good at just about everything else but when your 'breakout year' includes a 91 OPS+ and. 302 OBP it makes you wonder how much upside there really is.

 

Like I said before if he can learn to take a walk he has a chance to be very good, but he's never done that at any level so I'm skeptical he can turn a corner there.