Target getting Jeffress back?

[JohnBriggs12]

Rumors were the Rangers were talking to Reds about starting pitching and the Reds are interested in Jeffress.

 

Stearns has hinted he'd listen to offers for a starter and he also said they'd be looking at the reliever market to help fill the void left by Thornburg.

 

Nelson really struggled after Lucroy left. Maybe re-unite them?

[MadThinker88]

Jeffries also seems to struggle when not with the Brewers.

 

There might be a match for the clubs to make a deal..

[MrTPlush]

Sometimes something leaves and it is a good thing. We dodged a bullet that we traded him when we did. We don't need that problem around the team. I doubt the Rangers would let him go cheap and I don't see a reason to pay a big price for a guy we literally just traded to get prospects.

[MillerParkSouth]

Nelson for Jeffress? Seriously?? That would be a disaster of a trade.

[DocLuna7]

I tend to think that it wouldn't take a return of Jimmy Nelson to net us Jeffress. I don't think he's a clubhouse cancer or anything but he certainly does come with some more baggage than he had when we traded him a short four months ago.

[gregmag]

I wanted to say something about this in the TT trade thread, but I think maybe we're getting a bit out of control in how we're valuing relievers. CONTENDERS place a high value on CONSISTENTLY DOMINANT RELIEVERS because they're in a place where, say, a 30 percent greater chance of winning one key game has enormous value. Three things about that:

 

(1) If you aren't a contender, you don't care about that margin, and relievers are a foolish investment. You just need a competent bullpen so that your pitching staff doesn't implode, and we have plenty of warm bodies that can fill that need as well as JJ. For a noncontender, a reliever has only his basic value: that of a guy who pitches maybe 60-70 innings. Market forces aside, just looking at raw game-winning value, TT for Travis Shaw straight up would have been very reasonable (and I'm not a big Shaw fan).

 

(2) If a reliever isn't well established as a shutdown guy, his value is drastically less. That's why I love the return for TT. He's had one excellent season, with less than half of it as a closer, and he's had medical issues. If he becomes a top-tier reliever, more power to him, but he isn't there and isn't a better bet to get there than not.

 

(3) The present market could be largely wrong; it really may be a bubble. The reliever market may be inflated on the "shiny object" theory, the shiny object in this case being the Royals' recent success. That possibility is a reason by itself to be wary of paying market price for an established reliever like JJ right now.

[paul253]

I wouldn't call Will Smith a long established shut down reliever but the return we got from him was pretty darn good.

 

Also I think maybe JohnBriggs was talking about buying low on Jeffress. Certainly not Jeffress for Nelson straightup. I'd be willing to ship a few low level prospects for Jeffress if that's all it took to get him.

[Oldcity]

I understand the idea of not wanting to trade a starter for a reliever, and I probably wouldn't trade Nelson for Jeffress either, but Jeffress was more valuable last season than Nelson, even by WAR. Nelson was downright bad.

 

I would personally love to not have to watch Nelson pitch anymore, as he reminds me of latter-day Yovani Gallardo, but that's just me.

[clancyphile]

I understand the idea of not wanting to trade a starter for a reliever, and I probably wouldn't trade Nelson for Jeffress either, but Jeffress was more valuable last season than Nelson, even by WAR. Nelson was downright bad.

 

I would personally love to not have to watch Nelson pitch anymore, as he reminds me of latter-day Yovani Gallardo, but that's just me.

 

Personally, if Jeffress gets Garza off our roster, I'll take him back, and if he has a good bounce-back, we can always get another haul.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

Garza or Jungman for Jeffers straight up. That is about all Milwaukee should give.

[billymac]

I'd throw in Tyrone Taylor with Garza for Jeffress.

[MrTPlush]

I think Jeffress has more value that what you guys are throwing out there(not referring to the Nelson talk). The DUI is a big scare, but he was still amazing last year. Rangers would be pretty stupid to sell low on him.

[clancyphile]

I'd throw in Tyrone Taylor with Garza for Jeffress.

 

That sounds about right.

[logan82]

I wouldn’t trade anything for him. I would love to have him back but it is a waste of assets to trade for relievers.

[AKCheesehead]

Agreed, Logan. If he comes out of the gate with poor results and Texas is of a mind to clear him out, then pounce on it.

[pacopete4]

We are one more DUI away from getting our closer back.

[MrTPlush]

We are one more DUI away from getting our closer back.

 

...in jail.

[Roderick]

We are one more DUI away from getting our closer back.

 

There is still plenty of time for KRod to somehow end up on our roster.

[FVBrewerFan]

We are one more DUI away from getting our closer back.

 

Actually, Yo is still a starter

[JosephC]

 

Jeffress has not pitched well this year so it would definitely need to be classified as a move for 2018/2019 rather than a move for the present. But even if Jeffress continues to struggle, could he be any worse than Wily Peralta currently is (I'll answer that, NO!). He seems like a bad fit for the Rangers and probably would be a real cheap pickup. I wouldn't be opposed.

[liveforoctober]

Has anyone watched him throw this year? Is his velo down? Why has he been unsuccessful?

 

Milwaukee is his safe place and I would love to think him coming back here is all he needs. He was so good during that stretch with us.

 

Give them Wily straight up.

[MrTPlush]

His velocity is down 1mph...which may equate to 2mph since everyone is calculating it differently.

 

He can take his problems elsewhere though.